Ok. Client Seed editable. Now provably fair.
As for the cash out, your competitor (not SD, hehe) retains balances even if I have shut down my computer. Although they're a bit more confusing to play, so I haven't really played there.
What I mean is, can I keep some of my coins in my account, besides the cash out option only sends to my address. For example, I only have 1 BTC there, but I don't like yet to cash out, but I'm not done playing or something.
Or I have less coins than the minimum transaction fee, so it doesn't make sense to cash out.
I can continue tomorrow or something.
Or, what are those certain things that trigger cash outs? Can I over ride those? If a time-out or closed browser (or closed computer) triggers a cash out, then I cash out if I lose power or I lose my internet connection.
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June 05, 2013, 08:29:49 PM
June 05, 2013, 01:43:38 PM
Hey all,
We've improved our provably fair system. You can now edit your client seed at the top of the betting page. We are going to reimplement it with a better design but we wanted everyone to have access to that feature for the time being. It's not 100% done but if you want to bet and change your client seed you're able to.
You don't have to cash out but certain things do trigger cash outs to protect the security of deposits. Leader board will be ranking by prime points not bitcoins wagered, prime points are created through a combination of both BTC wagered and number of bets.
We've improved our provably fair system. You can now edit your client seed at the top of the betting page. We are going to reimplement it with a better design but we wanted everyone to have access to that feature for the time being. It's not 100% done but if you want to bet and change your client seed you're able to.
Ok. I'm done for today or tomorrow. I'm going to focus on my own game for now. I'll come back later. Stunna, how is leaderboard determined? Is it bitcoins or prime points? Cuz, I'm close to 2000 already, but like someone else said, I had to stop, because I ran out of my own coins. (Yes, I hold other people's coins too, but they're off limits.)
Also, can you have an option to NOT cash out? Like when my balance is below the transaction fee or something, meaning I still have 0.00001234 or something. At least I can play 1 satoshi forever or something. If I cash out, then what happens? It's all gone.
Also, can you have an option to NOT cash out? Like when my balance is below the transaction fee or something, meaning I still have 0.00001234 or something. At least I can play 1 satoshi forever or something. If I cash out, then what happens? It's all gone.
You don't have to cash out but certain things do trigger cash outs to protect the security of deposits. Leader board will be ranking by prime points not bitcoins wagered, prime points are created through a combination of both BTC wagered and number of bets.
June 05, 2013, 09:13:03 AM
Ok. I'm done for today or tomorrow. I'm going to focus on my own game for now. I'll come back later. Stunna, how is leaderboard determined? Is it bitcoins or prime points? Cuz, I'm close to 2000 already, but like someone else said, I had to stop, because I ran out of my own coins. (Yes, I hold other people's coins too, but they're off limits.)
Also, can you have an option to NOT cash out? Like when my balance is below the transaction fee or something, meaning I still have 0.00001234 or something. At least I can play 1 satoshi forever or something. If I cash out, then what happens? It's all gone.
Also, can you have an option to NOT cash out? Like when my balance is below the transaction fee or something, meaning I still have 0.00001234 or something. At least I can play 1 satoshi forever or something. If I cash out, then what happens? It's all gone.
June 05, 2013, 08:17:28 AM
BigBlitz, I like how you try to say PrimeDice is cheating (you literally say you don't, but all your posts sound like you do).
It's funny, because even though you complained about lots of losses in a row (which is perfectly normal, seriously, go learn some statistics), you "forgot" to show us this as well:
470262 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 56.74
470259 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 77.87
470258 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 90.22
470255 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Lose 25.84
470253 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 93.17
470247 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 76.58
470244 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 81.03
470234 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 68.35
470232 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 59.52
1 loss in 9 rolls. This game must be rigged so players win more.
You'll find I distanced myself, several times, from accusing Stunna of any wrong doing.It's funny, because even though you complained about lots of losses in a row (which is perfectly normal, seriously, go learn some statistics), you "forgot" to show us this as well:
470262 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 56.74
470259 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 77.87
470258 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 90.22
470255 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Lose 25.84
470253 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 93.17
470247 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 76.58
470244 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 81.03
470234 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 68.35
470232 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 59.52
1 loss in 9 rolls. This game must be rigged so players win more.
June 05, 2013, 08:07:49 AM
It's hard to stop when winning but you are forced to stop when you run out of money 
June 05, 2013, 07:07:51 AM
BigBlitz, I like how you try to say PrimeDice is cheating (you literally say you don't, but all your posts sound like you do).
It's funny, because even though you complained about lots of losses in a row (which is perfectly normal, seriously, go learn some statistics), you "forgot" to show us this as well:
470262 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 56.74
470259 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 77.87
470258 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 90.22
470255 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Lose 25.84
470253 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 93.17
470247 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 76.58
470244 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 81.03
470234 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 68.35
470232 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 59.52
1 loss in 9 rolls. This game must be rigged so players win more.
It's funny, because even though you complained about lots of losses in a row (which is perfectly normal, seriously, go learn some statistics), you "forgot" to show us this as well:
470262 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 56.74
470259 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 77.87
470258 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 90.22
470255 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Lose 25.84
470253 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 93.17
470247 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 76.58
470244 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 81.03
470234 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 68.35
470232 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 59.52
1 loss in 9 rolls. This game must be rigged so players win more.
Humans remember 7 bad moments for every 1 good moment. True story
June 05, 2013, 07:06:19 AM
BigBlitz, I like how you try to say PrimeDice is cheating (you literally say you don't, but all your posts sound like you do).
It's funny, because even though you complained about lots of losses in a row (which is perfectly normal, seriously, go learn some statistics), you "forgot" to show us this as well:
470262 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 56.74
470259 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 77.87
470258 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 90.22
470255 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Lose 25.84
470253 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 93.17
470247 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 76.58
470244 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 81.03
470234 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 68.35
470232 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 59.52
1 loss in 9 rolls. This game must be rigged so players win more.
It's funny, because even though you complained about lots of losses in a row (which is perfectly normal, seriously, go learn some statistics), you "forgot" to show us this as well:
470262 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 56.74
470259 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 77.87
470258 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 90.22
470255 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Lose 25.84
470253 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 93.17
470247 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 76.58
470244 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 81.03
470234 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 68.35
470232 3447d3c4a5 21 hours ago 50.5 2 0.01000000 Win 59.52
1 loss in 9 rolls. This game must be rigged so players win more.
June 05, 2013, 06:26:58 AM
BigBitz, can I borrow 0.1 from you? I will return it in 2 days. If I lose, I will buy bitcoin from my local supplier to pay you back. heheheh. If I win, I will pay you back the 0.1 plus most of what I make (you can monitor it, stats, etc.) Maybe half.
lol, man, did you check my bets?!I LOST.
June 05, 2013, 06:22:21 AM
More or less my exact point. I don't see why he'd constantly let people cash out 10+ Bitcoins if he could just take all their balance. And in extension, why would he then be rigging 0.1 bets?
I really think Stunna needs to fix it up though ASAP, doubt is a VERY powerful thing
I really think Stunna needs to fix it up though ASAP, doubt is a VERY powerful thing
That is moot. Stunna could make it so that 0.5% of bets are rigged to lose, boom 50% more house edge. It would take tens of thousands of bets to go "hmm, something's fishy", and even then you can't prove anything.
Note the word could. I don't suspect him unless this isn't changed in a reasonable amount of time.
June 05, 2013, 06:15:26 AM
BigBitz, can I borrow 0.1 from you? I will return it in 2 days. If I lose, I will buy bitcoin from my local supplier to pay you back. heheheh. If I win, I will pay you back the 0.1 plus most of what I make (you can monitor it, stats, etc.) Maybe half.
June 05, 2013, 06:00:46 AM
hold up......
I'm not accusing or saying Stunna is cheating/rigging btw.
I am saying I would NOT have played on PrimeDice had I have known that information.
I've lost 10 - 20BTC on PrimeDice so I think I am somewhat entitled to wonder about how it determines things
As I Said though, I won't be using PrimeDice again, for now...
I'm not accusing or saying Stunna is cheating/rigging btw.
I am saying I would NOT have played on PrimeDice had I have known that information.
I've lost 10 - 20BTC on PrimeDice so I think I am somewhat entitled to wonder about how it determines things
As I Said though, I won't be using PrimeDice again, for now...
June 05, 2013, 05:58:14 AM
Quite Frankly had I have known that I would not have bet on PrimeDice.
I would have just stuck to coinroll.it
I would have just stuck to coinroll.it
We are not saying Stunna cheated you (would still be very hard even if he wanted: he can't know when you withdraw. You can withdraw when you are winning and he cannot simply cheat to make customers always lose or it'll be evident
).TradeFortress only pointed out that Primedice system can be improved.
More or less my exact point. I don't see why he'd constantly let people cash out 10+ Bitcoins if he could just take all their balance. And in extension, why would he then be rigging 0.1 bets?
I really think Stunna needs to fix it up though ASAP, doubt is a VERY powerful thing
Only thing he could do will be slowly lowering your win odds behind the scene if you are winning more than X amount, then rely on the player gambling addiction to lose it all and then some. Highly unlikely but ok, can be done.
June 05, 2013, 05:54:30 AM
Quite Frankly had I have known that I would not have bet on PrimeDice.
I would have just stuck to coinroll.it
I would have just stuck to coinroll.it
We are not saying Stunna cheated you (would still be very hard even if he wanted: he can't know when you withdraw. You can withdraw when you are winning and he cannot simply cheat to make customers always lose or it'll be evident
).TradeFortress only pointed out that Primedice system can be improved.
More or less my exact point. I don't see why he'd constantly let people cash out 10+ Bitcoins if he could just take all their balance. And in extension, why would he then be rigging 0.1 bets?
I really think Stunna needs to fix it up though ASAP, doubt is a VERY powerful thing
June 05, 2013, 05:53:48 AM
Okay. There goes my 0.1 ... where's my bitcoin supplier?
I can sell you some at Gox+8.5% but highly doubt you'll be interested
June 05, 2013, 05:51:35 AM
Okay. There goes my 0.1 ... where's my bitcoin supplier?
June 05, 2013, 05:49:05 AM
Quite Frankly had I have known that I would not have bet on PrimeDice.
I would have just stuck to coinroll.it
I would have just stuck to coinroll.it
We are not saying Stunna cheated you (would still be very hard even if he wanted: he can't know when you withdraw. You can withdraw when you are winning and he cannot simply cheat to make customers always lose or it'll be evident
).TradeFortress only pointed out that Primedice system can be improved.
June 05, 2013, 05:48:51 AM
I still think the easiest way to do this would to be simply allowing the user to choose a client seed AFTER being assigned a server seed. That also allows simple minds (Like myself heh) the ability to easily understand & comprehend the concept. The whole JS assigning a client seed transcends me lol
It doesn't matter what seed you choose. As long as the server does not know it, it's OK.Quote
I'm still waiting on someone with more knowledge to explain how CoinRoll's use of nonces make it impossible for the server to know what the next roll is going to be.
Easy. It uses [txid] + nonce. The TXID is supplied by the player. The server seed is updated once a day, and is global. So while the server *can* know next results in advance, it cannot change it after knowing the results (see Provably Fair rule #3). Secrets has being generated until 2023, so Coinroll.it is provably fair.
Oh I get ya now. Fair enough.
June 05, 2013, 05:44:27 AM
I still think the easiest way to do this would to be simply allowing the user to choose a client seed AFTER being assigned a server seed. That also allows simple minds (Like myself heh) the ability to easily understand & comprehend the concept. The whole JS assigning a client seed transcends me lol
It doesn't matter what seed you choose. As long as the server does not know it, it's OK.Quote
I'm still waiting on someone with more knowledge to explain how CoinRoll's use of nonces make it impossible for the server to know what the next roll is going to be.
Easy. It uses [txid] + nonce. The TXID is supplied by the player. The server seed is updated once a day, and is global. So while the server *can* know next results in advance, it cannot change it after knowing the results (see Provably Fair rule #3). Secrets has being generated until 2023, so Coinroll.it is provably fair.
June 05, 2013, 05:42:54 AM
That line won't make it any more "provably" fair than it is now: all seeds can potentially be manipulated internally by the server (or the dice outcome can be totally indipendent from any seed for that matter). You can never know for sure what code is running internally, there's always trust involved to some extent.
Not really. That line will make it provably fair if it's on the client, and you can prove if the roll was not determined using your client seed + server seed. Hence the provable prat.
On the client it'll be exploitable by the user (hard to do but the risk is there).
Huh? You can change your client seed now.
The client cannot exploit it, he does not know the server seed (only the hash of it).
See this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-guide-to-how-provably-fair-works-161236
Provably fair means:
1. Player can directly influence the results, but not know the end result.
2. Casino can directly influence the results, but not know the end result.
3. Player can prove the casino did not influence the result AFTER knowing the end result
4. Casino can prove the player did not influence the result AFTER knowing the end result
Currently, 3 is not true for PrimeDice.com as PrimeDice knows what each roll would be assuming default client seed. Making the default client seed generated by the client (rather than the server) would make it provably fair.
Yes, you are right. I'm pretty new to the concept, thx for the good explanation (was missing the "client doesn't know server seed, only the hash of it
). 
June 05, 2013, 05:42:20 AM
Quite Frankly had I have known that I would not have bet on PrimeDice.
I would have just stuck to coinroll.it
I would have just stuck to coinroll.it
I'm still waiting on someone with more knowledge to explain how CoinRoll's use of nonces make it impossible for the server to know what the next roll is going to be.
Quote
Each bet can be verified using the day's secret and the last deposit's TXID. To produce a stream of numbers a nonce is appended which is incremented by 1 on every bet. The nonce is reset to 0 on every deposit.
The lucky number is computed by the first 4 hex digits of hmac_sha512(secret, lastdeposittxid:nonce)
The lucky number is computed by the first 4 hex digits of hmac_sha512(secret, lastdeposittxid:nonce)
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