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I understand then to.  And i totaly agree.  

I actually do have a problem with it.  It should never be done for many reasons and well even from the pubilicty point of view its not good for pd.  

And it makes my job harder.  I have to reply to tons of people on support now asking why they can not bet. 


But sometimes it has to be done for security reasons lime in the case of hufflepuff.  
And i am sure pd had a valid reason to do it this time.

I hope stunna will be available soon to clarify that.

20k rolls on 9900x try 95k rolls on 9900x from one of the regular players. then you feel screwed as hell by primedice and this is not the first time. When he comes online I will ask him directly if he checked his seed and how many rolls he was from hitting it and I know he was only rolling with 0.0005. So I wonder about this.
 

Not rly.

But if something is comprimised we just simply have to reset seeds.  There is simply no other way.

You are not paying with anything and ir does not affect you that much even if you were rly hunting 9900x

But i do understand the frustration if you did.  

We atleaest agree on some parts 😊.  Thank you.  

Again sorry for the inconvenience this may have caused you.  

Pd would never do this unless they actually had to. As you may see its not doing us a favor.   So lets wait for stunna to tell us the reasons why this had to be done.

Why not? That way they can always say - what, why whould we force to change all players' seeds just to prevent one from big win? Well, it still sounds like a plan and 100 or 200 coins is worth it. I'm not saying PD did it, but your 'explanation' (which is - you're not so important that PD would bother such action just for you) is far from enough. I have no problem with seed changing, but others might have and I admit I understand them. We need more than 'nigga please' here I think.

That's right. I thought everybody knows that already, it was discussed many times on different forums, this one included. But I understand frustration a user might feel when he has made over 20k rolls not hitting 99.99 and now he is forced to change seed. I know it's illogical but I do understand and even can relate to that feeling.

that would not "hurt" micro.. that would simply be unfair and even if not intentional -pure rippoff. from pd's side.

i dont think you check if ppl are about to win. but you do interfere with their bets. period.

what do i have to do with any security breach? why MUST I ABSORB THE LOST FROM YOUR SECURITY BREACH? DO YOU REALIZE WHAT I JUST SAID? I AM PAYING FOR YOU SECURITY TROUBLE??

Well your chances are the same.  But it would hurt like hell to find out thst you would hit it in next 10 rolls lol.  Thats for sure.  

But if you think pd would actually force change seeds for all of its players to prevent you from winning that...  Nigga please...  😀.  

True it does have psychological efect.  And a very pad one for pd lol.  Coz it causes this kind of talk and people jumping to conclusions.
Which is never good. 

That is why i agree with you and Seuntjie that there has to be explanation and possibly announcement.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Lets wait for stunna to comment on this. 

it has a psychological affect. pd are the experts for that.

if i was betting 5k sat on 9999 after 15k rolls, do you think i will just go on with that after my seed is reset? my chances maybe the same, but nigga please..

but lets just leave that, you said seuntjie was right in theory - that means you say pd is not pf. the end.

No,  my guess is that this will happen even more rarely.  And i think if it happens next time it should be anouncend.  Even though sometimes you can not anounce it due to security reasons.

Changing your seed does not lower or improve your chances of hunting big multipyer.

It just givea you opportunity to see when it would hit on old seed.

But your chance of hitting it in next lets say 100 rolls is the same. 

You are very much right, seuntjie.

however i will not bother myself checking on the outcome of my next rolls. you know why? because i know for 100% that even if i am right - there is no way in the world PD would ever compansate my lose. simply absolutly no way. not in a million gagillion fafillion years.

therefore, it is a scam, since you know that even if you have a case, you have nowhere to take it.

oh, and micro - if in theory he is right, than what you are saying is that pd is not provably fair. and you say this will happen more often now. fantastic. very convinient for pd aswell, since even if you randomly decide when to change the seed, you will defently break alot of ongoing hunts for high multiplyers. very profitable for pd even if its random.

soon you will have nothing but faucet users.

Do you rly think pd would have that system in place for million players to notify then when somebody is about to hit two 0.00 or three 99.99s in a row or however you think that would work? 
And then change seed every time that happens? 

Seeds would have to change much more offten than they do due to huge amount of bets that we have. 

But in theory you are correct. 

I know that there was much better reason for seed reset but i can not give any official information about that so we will have to wait for stunna to give us an explanation.

Let me rephrase that then. PD forced you to stop playing, possibly right before you could have won. And wouldn't allow you to resume playing without changing the outcome of your rolls. It doesn't change the scenario (actually makes it sound worse)

I hope Stunna will give an explanation why tjey had to do this. 

Pd never checks what your future rolls will be nor does it hav systin place for that,  i can guarantee you that. 

But yes,  i agree that thwh need to give players an explanation and when Posible a notificatjon about upcoming seed reset.


But also please note that pd did not change your seed.  And never will.

It is forcing you to pick new one or you can stop playing but it will never change the seed for you.  It just asks you to pick new one. 

So the part where you say seed was forcibly changed by pd is not true

Yes and no. Bets aren't related to the previous roll, but they are dependent on the seeds.

Remember that PD uses a nonce based system. So 1 server seed and 1 client seed for millions of bets. You hash 1:serverseed:clientseed and get your first roll, then you hash 2:serverseed:client seed and get your second roll.

So maybe this guy was at roll 100 and that would have been 77.77, and 101 would coincidentally also be 77.77. But PD has now changed the server seed and the nonce resets to 1. So now you're hashing 1:serverseed2:clientseed which will most likely result in a new number. The moment you pick your server seed and client seed, PD knows what each and every roll is going to be until you randomize again, and these rolls can't change (that's what makes them provably fair) unless the seeds are changed. Which happened, without the users consent, which stops making it provably fair.


This means, someone can take their last seeds that was forcibly changed by PD, and generate the numbers he would have gotten if he continued betting with that seed and say: My strategy has been high on reverse martingale for the last 1000 bets. the next 15 bets I should have placed would all have been wins. PD changed my seed so I wouldn't win 20 bitcoin with those bets. And it would be valid (because it is in PDs capabilities to predict this, even if they don't do it) until PD provides us with an acceptable reason for changing the seeds.


Edit: To be clear, I'm not trying to say that pd is scamming or that they cheated. I'm trying to explain why it is important that PD tells us why the seeds were changed. I would advise everyone to wait for an explanation and not jump to conclusions.

I don't think changing the seed prevented him from winning. The way that the SHA and the noonces work for everybet is that the outcome is completely different and not related to the previous bet.

If you change a single part of a hash transaction, it completely hashes the outcome. I don't think keeping the same seed would of helped him win any faster, its all relative with probability.

Forcing seed changes without notification is a breach of provably fairness. He could have just had an amazing streak, or hit two 77.77s in a row for the rumored (still no official announcement on that) jackpot, but now pds changed his seeds and in effect his rolls, and possibly made him lose.

I understand that sometimes it's necessary for pd to change seeds in case there was some security issue, and I have no problem with it. But, doing so without a proper explanation is not OK. Tell us why the seeds were changed or anyone claiming that they would have won 200 coins in the next 10 rolls (after verifying his rolls and checking the upcoming rolls) has a valid reason for claiming PD scammed.


I wouldn't go as far as claiming that PD did cheat just yet. I'm sure this was a security related issue. I'd suggest waiting for an explanation from Stunna or some other official body of the site before jumping to conclusions.

WTF HAPPENED STUNNA? care to explain why ppl are forced to change their seed?

 if you had the least bit decency in you, you mf rippoff sob, you would've given a 24 hour notice so that ppl wont throw their money on low chances that take time to win, WOULDN'T YOU??


 you cant cheat with provably fair, but you play ANY dirty trick in the world,

 i hope ppl that are reading this would stay clear off your site.

There was an error while rolling ,admins has to give the answer for that.After changing the seed you can still play and what is the problem with that.How did they disrespect you,i do not get it because updates are being done and you might see these errors now and then while updating.