Problem with Stake.com Signature - page 2.

eternalgloom

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on June 12, 2019, 05:49:32 AM

Quote from: eternalgloom on June 12, 2019, 05:33:02 AM

I think they did change their rates, they first had their rates in Bitcoin didn't they?
But yeah, the point is still the same, it's pretty much impossible to achieve the max. payout without spamming.

Yeah, according to their thread, their current rates for Heroes and Legendaries is $3 per 10 posts, with a max of 0.1 BTC weekly: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stakecom-a-signature-campaign-for-everyone-closed-5110093.

As QS says, to hit maximum you would need 2667 posts. For a standard full time job of 40 hours a week, this means a post every 54 seconds for 40 hours. Even someone was posting for 14 hours a day, 7 days a week, they would still have to post every 2 minutes 12 seconds.

These numbers are utterly ridiculous. To suggest a user is able to open a thread, read the OP, read the replies, formulate and type a worthwhile and non-spammy reply (or preferably don't, if they have nothing constructive to add), and move on to the next thread, all in 2 minutes, let alone in less than 1 minute, is preposterous. To somehow claim that this isn't encouraging spam is equally preposterous.

Oh I know, at the current rates those calculations are correct, I just thought they had a slightly higher rate when they first launched their campaign.
I definitely remember their rate per 10 posts was also denominated in Bitcoin.

Is there any way to view the edit history of that page? Now I'm curious what changes have been made.
Waybackmachine hasn't saved it & Google cache has the most recent edit as well.

o_e_l_e_o

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Quote from: eternalgloom on June 12, 2019, 05:33:02 AM

I think they did change their rates, they first had their rates in Bitcoin didn't they?
But yeah, the point is still the same, it's pretty much impossible to achieve the max. payout without spamming.

Yeah, according to their thread, their current rates for Heroes and Legendaries is $3 per 10 posts, with a max of 0.1 BTC weekly: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stakecom-a-signature-campaign-for-everyone-closed-5110093.

As QS says, to hit maximum you would need 2667 posts. For a standard full time job of 40 hours a week, this means a post every 54 seconds for 40 hours. Even someone was posting for 14 hours a day, 7 days a week, they would still have to post every 2 minutes 12 seconds.

These numbers are utterly ridiculous. To suggest a user is able to open a thread, read the OP, read the replies, formulate and type a worthwhile and non-spammy reply (or preferably don't, if they have nothing constructive to add), and move on to the next thread, all in 2 minutes, let alone in less than 1 minute, is preposterous. To somehow claim that this isn't encouraging spam is equally preposterous.

examplens

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Quote from: Quickseller on June 12, 2019, 03:54:59 AM

Quote from: eternalgloom on June 12, 2019, 03:50:41 AM

A while ago, I was actually thinking about joining their campaign as some sort of experiment, back when they still paid a maximum of 0.1 BTC per week (if I remember correctly).
Just to see if I could actually manage to make those 1000 posts required to get the max amount. Not sure if it was a 1000 exactly, but that's the number I vaguely remember.
Not by shitposting my way to 1000 mind you.

They are paying $0.3 per post for legendary members, and bitcoin is trading at roughly $8000/btc. In order to get 0.1 BTC you would need to make about 2667 posts.

This would be basically a full time job.

is there any Legendary member in this campaign? They can earn more from shitty ICO than in Stake.

I find in local board many complains to campaign management, very poor communications between manager and participants, also people talk that he counts all posts even posted in bounty threads. It is worst than Yobit campaign a few weeks ago.

eternalgloom

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Quote from: Quickseller on June 12, 2019, 03:54:59 AM

Quote from: eternalgloom on June 12, 2019, 03:50:41 AM

A while ago, I was actually thinking about joining their campaign as some sort of experiment, back when they still paid a maximum of 0.1 BTC per week (if I remember correctly).
Just to see if I could actually manage to make those 1000 posts required to get the max amount. Not sure if it was a 1000 exactly, but that's the number I vaguely remember.
Not by shitposting my way to 1000 mind you.

They are paying $0.3 per post for legendary members, and bitcoin is trading at roughly $8000/btc. In order to get 0.1 BTC you would need to make about 2667 posts.

This would be basically a full time job.

I think they did change their rates, they first had their rates in Bitcoin didn't they?
But yeah, the point is still the same, it's pretty much impossible to achieve the max. payout without spamming.

Don't think I could even manage to do 100 posts in a week, I'd go crazy if I had to write +1000 posts in a week;

Quickseller

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Quote from: eternalgloom on June 12, 2019, 03:50:41 AM

A while ago, I was actually thinking about joining their campaign as some sort of experiment, back when they still paid a maximum of 0.1 BTC per week (if I remember correctly).
Just to see if I could actually manage to make those 1000 posts required to get the max amount. Not sure if it was a 1000 exactly, but that's the number I vaguely remember.
Not by shitposting my way to 1000 mind you.

They are paying $0.3 per post for legendary members, and bitcoin is trading at roughly $8000/btc. In order to get 0.1 BTC you would need to make about 2667 posts.

This would be basically a full time job.

eternalgloom

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A while ago, I was actually thinking about joining their campaign as some sort of experiment, back when they still paid a maximum of 0.1 BTC per week (if I remember correctly).
Just to see if I could actually manage to make those 1000 posts required to get the max amount. Not sure if it was a 1000 exactly, but that's the number I vaguely remember.
Not by shitposting my way to 1000 mind you.

But yeah, I'd have some real trouble getting to those numbers, even if I treated this as a full-time job for a week.

The 25-posts-per-week campaigns are much better in that regard. If you're going to allow campaigns, I think that should really be the preferred formula.
Gotta admit that I'm also quite annoyed at seeing so many low-quality Stake posters all over the forum.

fortunecrypto

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Quote from: Findingnemo on June 11, 2019, 08:44:48 AM

Quote from: fortunecrypto on June 11, 2019, 08:14:50 AM

Too bad, aside from Yobit this is the only campaign I remember getting a lot of complaints and what makes things really alarming is they have Steve to manage the campaign compare to Yobit which has no one to monitor participants, I expect a new update next week to make the campaign better now that the community are all in one in complaining.

The problem is not with the manager,no posting limits made this campaign to be a welcome campaign of spammers and the low pay rates made it more ugly because people will try to post as much as they can.

Having maximum posts per day/week will solve this issue.

Nope it's on the manager do you think managers like LoyceV, yahoo62278 Hhampuz will accept this type of campaign, and will allow spammers to join the campaign and not banning anyone for spamming and will they allow participants to do unlimited post, Steve can set the maximum post but a spammer will always spam.

asayoyaasa

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Quote from: coupable on June 10, 2019, 08:32:15 PM

I wore the stake signature in first days lunch, then leaving it after 4 or 5 posts. I waited for a spreadsheet in public, but nothing happened. I can't trust managers who hide the spreadsheets.

You can only see the spreadsheet if you are on the campaign, I'm joining their bounty for 3 weeks. The bad side is you don't know you accepted or not since the spreadsheet is not public, you need to wait for Steve to PM you, that can happen in a day or two. He also not tell you if you are not accepted so you kinda hanging with their signature waiting to be accepted without getting paid.

Findingnemo

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on June 11, 2019, 08:14:50 AM

Too bad, aside from Yobit this is the only campaign I remember getting a lot of complaints and what makes things really alarming is they have Steve to manage the campaign compare to Yobit which has no one to monitor participants, I expect a new update next week to make the campaign better now that the community are all in one in complaining.

The problem is not with the manager,no posting limits made this campaign to be a welcome campaign of spammers and the low pay rates made it more ugly because people will try to post as much as they can.

Having maximum posts per day/week will solve this issue.

fortunecrypto

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Activity: 2450

Merit: 1047

Too bad, aside from Yobit this is the only campaign I remember getting a lot of complaints and what makes things really alarming is they have Steve to manage the campaign compare to Yobit which has no one to monitor participants, I expect a new update next week to make the campaign better now that the community are all in one in complaining.

Quickseller

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Quote from: LoyceV on June 10, 2019, 04:44:05 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on June 09, 2019, 09:39:56 PM

I did not run the names of who applied for their signature campaign up against users who are currently banned

I can do that:
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Thanks for that. If all 51 banned users were participating in the stake.com signature campaign, they would make up over 22% of their campaign, and if 26 (half) were in the campaign when banned, it would make up over 13% of the campaign. In either case, this is way too many.

Someone also posted about the merit abuse I was asking to be looked into in the OP. They said they were named in the OP, and had collected a lot of merit in the collectables section, and gave an explanation as to all their deleted posts, but it seems they have deleted their post.

coupable

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I wore the stake signature in first days lunch, then leaving it after 4 or 5 posts. I waited for a spreadsheet in public, but nothing happened. I can't trust managers who hide the spreadsheets.

Transparency is fundamental for me to continue posting for any campaign.

I remember read suggestions about set of rules for bounty managers because this not the only case, most signature campaigns in altcoin section are spamming the forum (somes have more than 200 participants) and we can't even know how many campaigns are actually running.

aioc

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The worst thing about this campaign is they convert the rate from Bitcoin to the dollar just when the price of Bitcoin is going up, members are requesting an increase in their pay rate but Stevestake never listens to his campaigners. I wonder if he will now listen Roll Eyes

if the majority of the community will take action against his campaign, he should resign, there are better campaign managers here and they have a better portfolio to show to management.

Quickseller

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on June 10, 2019, 12:13:43 PM

I have a question about the deleted posts. I see QS posted some info on a few users but is it possible to see how many posts were deleted from each user while wearing the Stake signature? Or to separate the number of deleted new posts a user made with the signature on vs number of older posts deleted?

You would have to ask Vod if he keeps information about the date of posts that were deleted, or at least when they were deleted and cross reference this with when they posted an application in the stake.com signature campaign thread.

Hilarious also has access to old reports, but I’m not sure how far back what he has access to goes.

yahoo62278

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I have a question about the deleted posts. I see QS posted some info on a few users but is it possible to see how many posts were deleted from each user while wearing the Stake signature? Or to separate the number of deleted new posts a user made with the signature on vs number of older posts deleted?

Lauda

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Terminated.

Quote from: Quickseller on June 10, 2019, 09:36:55 AM

Quote from: Lauda on June 10, 2019, 09:27:01 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on June 10, 2019, 07:25:02 AM

I messaged SteveStake when I created this thread asking him to comment, and pointing him to this thread. It seems he has responded by creating this thread soliciting reports of signature spammers.

So his solution is to not provide a solution but let the community do the work for him? This has made the situation worse. Roll Eyes

He is trying to show he is doing something about the problem he caused in response to this thread and the possibility he won’t be able to advertise via spammers anymore. His solution isn’t going to work— it isn’t the community’s job to police his spammers and his proposal isn’t being taken very well.

I agree with you on that one. In fact, his "solution" is a joke at best.

Quickseller

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Quote from: Lauda on June 10, 2019, 09:27:01 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on June 10, 2019, 07:25:02 AM

I messaged SteveStake when I created this thread asking him to comment, and pointing him to this thread. It seems he has responded by creating this thread soliciting reports of signature spammers.

So his solution is to not provide a solution but let the community do the work for him? This has made the situation worse. Roll Eyes

He is trying to show he is doing something about the problem he caused in response to this thread and the possibility he won’t be able to advertise via spammers anymore. His solution isn’t going to work— it isn’t the community’s job to police his spammers and his proposal isn’t being taken very well.

Lauda

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Terminated.

Quote from: Quickseller on June 10, 2019, 07:25:02 AM

I messaged SteveStake when I created this thread asking him to comment, and pointing him to this thread. It seems he has responded by creating this thread soliciting reports of signature spammers.

So his solution is to not provide a solution but let the community do the work for him? This has made the situation worse. Roll Eyes

kenzawak

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I participated in the first weeks of the Stake campaign. It suited me because I post quite a lot.
But I left because Steve kept changing the rules, encouraging quantity over quality. Some of the best posters also left, I guess for the same reasons.

Steve keeps accepting new users and lowering the rates for each participant. As a result, you get low quality posters looking to make a quick buck, the same kind of users you get in altcoins campaigns. I remember someone mentioning 173 users, not sure though.

If I were Stake (not Steve), I'd restart the whole thing from the scratch, I'd pick a limited amount of participants and give better rewards. Some mixers campaigns have closed recently, this is the best time to do so, I'm sure the applications will be of quality if the campaign pays well and is managed professionally.

marlboroza

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Quote from: SteveStake on June 10, 2019, 08:18:05 AM

hey that's not a fair quote lol

That is not a fair thread.

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