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Guys, any news? I ordered a miner 2 days ago and got no reaction from prominerz. And now i'm trying to enter the site and it says: "Error 1016. Origin DNS ERROR" what is this??

What other news do you want to know about prominerz? Just read through the thread and know what kind of service they are. Basing on what happen. I would not trust them with any money and would instead look for a much more trustworthy alternative

Prominerz is a Ponzi scheme. Stay away.

Real interested in hearing Prominerz side of the story on why the owner is calling his own site a scam. Anyway update. They paid half back to my friend, looks like they skip town with the rest. I told him not to trust these creeps. Sometimes lessons learned are pretty costly. People, you've been warned.

Side note. Innosilicon, that was some dirty ish you played using customer orders as a loan. At least you paid everyone back finally, but your business etiquette is just as bad as Prominerz.

Hey, let me ask you something. I was told that you were on another website calling Prominerz a scam, is that true? If so what happened?

Well it looks like I may have been wrong. Prominerz may not be a scam after all. Maybe.
My guy tells me Prominerz paid him back half of what he is owed.
half isn't all, and still doesn't justify how they responded to a paying customer who had received no product, or no money for months after he was told he would be refunded.

The correct response to a paying customer would have been. "I'm sorry sir but unfortunately we are only a drop shipper, and we do not have your money at this time. We did tell you we would refund it in the case it didn't ship, but we are at the mercy of the manufacturer. We should have stated that in the beginning to avoid any misunderstandings. We would appreciate it if you not call us a scam online because that really hurts are business model. We can provide proof that your money was sent to out wholesaler if that would help clear things up."

That is the correct response to a person that sends 10,000 grand up front no deposits. Not don't call me a scam, or I'll keep your money. WHAT KIND OF OKEEDOKE SH!T IS THAT? Now my guy has to call all of those authorities, and it's a lot of them to explain what's going on. I told him he should wait until he gets ALL of his money back before he withdraws his claim at his bank.

Good move Prominerz in getting that back to him, from what I read, he was on some real get em get em sh!t. Even was in direct communication with your bank. Glad things are working out and it should be a valuable lesson to both of you.

I'm told that you and my guy are resolving the issue. All I can say is your real tough on the internet, be glad it wasn't me who's money you took.

Yeah Mikey, exactly, it's called defamation. And its illegal. He started this. You can go all the way down that rabbit hole and find excuses why to call us publicly a scam is ok from his or your point of view. Collecting a bunch of buddies so you all can jerk off on our public reputation is illegal. The same illegal as your fantasy stealing story. We are waiting for the big case to arrive, we all cant wait to see how it goes.

And Mike, you know, a business lives from not only bad things but also good things. We got plenty of happy customers and we still getting orders and ship out orders, day by day. James is just one guy with a couple of friends trying to hurt us cause he is desperate, which again, is UNDERSTANDABLE, its an unbearable situation for everyone who ordered either a G32 or a Obelisk Miner. Innosilicon by the way, and this is what we all know in the mining reseller community (you know the ones that are here quite a while and not since yesterday) is acting on only their behalf and yes, I call them a Scam because they are a Scam. I mean are you really that stupid? If they haven't refund us the order from James, let me think, then they are a Scam right? Wait maybe it's too complicated. I repeat, James bought a miner, the miner is delayed, James wants to cancel, we cancel, Innosilocn ignores us, we push, James pushes, we push again, and mid october finally, Innosilicon releases the first statement in months that they accept refund requests. So here we go, we requested the cancellation on the same day and havent got a fucking dime from them since then. So who s the Scam Mike? Can you tell or you already too stuck in your "prominerz is the evil of the world"-story?

Well I suppose you are reading other forums as well and do research and see that innosilicon hasn't refunded shit (maybe they did refund some russian big customers before getting into real troubles). So yeah, I asked James for patience, he reacted with accusations. At one point, well, we react too and emotions pop in. Obviously we are not holding back any money cause simply NO MONEY ARRIVED from Innosilicon. Having around 100 orders open with them how do you imagine a business handling that refund thing? Should we shit a million dollar to make everyone happy? No, we can't, we have to go and push for the refund and try our best, legal or non-legal to get that fucking money back. It's simple as that! As I mentioned before, we have proof we bought that miner. A bill, a transfer and thats called proof. Whatever is coming for us, whoever is asking where that money go, its not some hooker and a shady guy on the corner, its innosilcon or a innosilicon distributor.

Therefore well, whoever sees this simply sees the truth, we are not Apple, nore are we Amazon, not any million dollar company, we couple of guys that resell mining equipment, nothing else and we can't pay for the scammy chinese. Get it? Probably not.

Looks like you're slandering Innosilicon's business. The same thing you claim he is doing to yours. Maybe someone needs to let Innosilicon know you're hurting their business.

So let me get this right. He gave you money and you haven't returned his refund like you stated you would.
He called you a scam because you told him on numerous occasions you would return his money even asking for his bank account information and still not returning.
Not your claiming your'e the victim and that you won't return his money?
ROFLMAO
Good luck with that defense is all I can say.
The fact that you refused to give him his money but asked him for his bank account information on the premise that you would return it makes it criminal by itself. IN BOTH COUNTRIES.
I must say he's an idiot for even waiting this long to report you. It looked like a scam to me by the second set of emails I read.
Anyway good luck with this, now everyone sees how you work and can decide for themselves.


Get a look at how these jokers did a customer. Their post speak for themselves. Took his money claimed they would refund him, now claiming they wont refund him because he called them a scam online and that he damaged their business lol. If it lies like a scam, talks like a scam, and won't refund your money like a scam, must be a scam.

No, we haven't done any "resolving" cause as you just simply ignored, we do not work with threats nor do we refund to people that are trying to destroy our business on long term. Your words count Mikey, the internet is seeing whatever you write. I am aware there are trade agreements but it does not change the fact that James and his friends, might involve you, declared us as scammers and that, unfortunately, is illegal at least where we come from, since it is hurting our business when publicly accused of without evidence especially when communication is still ongoing and its a commercial case for us, criminal for him. Same as I would comment somewhere that you are a sexual offender, not really being sure, but I just write it in a comment cause I think you are. Right? Well, that's how it works in business as well in Switzerland. You accusing, you better be sure about it. You cost us money, you pay for it, that simple.

I could be more calm but really am tired of ignorant people running towards our front door thinking they can just give us the fault for everything.

Bye

Hey buddy, first of all calm down. Secondly. Did you refund his money? If so then no you're not a scammer and he should publicly admit that. If you haven't, then yes you can be classified as a scammer as with any other shop that does what I read in your emails. It's not hard to figure out.

Now you said something that is interesting. You mentioned Switzerland trade laws. You must not be aware of this https://econsumer.gov/#crnt
Which Switzerland is a part of. And yes I did see the case number for his complaint with them also.

Now as far as if your actions are criminal here is this.

Q: How does the IC3 define Internet crime?
Internet crime includes any illegal activity involving one or more components of the Internet, such as websites, chat rooms, and/or email. Internet crime involves the use of the Internet to communicate false or fraudulent representations to consumers. These crimes may include, but are not limited to, advance-fee schemes, non-delivery of goods or services, computer hacking, or employment/business opportunity schemes.
https://www.ic3.gov/faq/default.aspx

Now I haven't talked to him in a few days, so if you have resolved this I am sorry and will retract my statement, but if not. Pay the man his money. After all, you owe him he doesn't owe you!

Quick statement from ourselves before everybody starts fantasizing and hallucinating..

1st of all, WE ARE FUCKING LEGIT, like it or not, we have sold hundreds of miners, have hundreds of happy customers and its what we do, selling miners and hosting them, big or small clients.

OF COURSE ITS ALWAYS CHEAPER TO BUY FROM FACTORIES, ITS OBVIOUS!

2nd Things like in any business can go wrong, and when we are the ones who mistake, we take the shit and handle it, in the case of famous James, things are a bit more complicated though, they got complicated cause lets face something some of you might don't consider when writing here in the beautiful anonymity of the internet.

Mister James bought from us a G32-1800 in Spring, and asked us what would we do if the miner would have a delay or wouldn't come out. We told him that in this case there will be a refund, which is normal. YOU DON'T GET A MINER, YOU GET A REFUND for god sake, nobody wants to start a new life in a third world country with 10k. Unfortunately that miner had a major delay (Miners and Crypto People know that at the moment all deliveries are late from practically all batches) Innosilicon simply moved the release from August to October and then to January.

To make a comment on innosilicon, they are stupid, for real, they dont give a shit about resellers nor small customers, they absolutely care 0. So we placed the request of a cancellation for James already pretty early and when Innosilicon made their statement in October that they will give refunds cause of the delay, we again applied to get back the money for that order.

Now here is the thing and only smart people and people that are familiar with the market will understand. Wanna-be crypto's wont. So sorry if it ends here for your guys.

Resellers like us are fucking suffering these days. Its a real fuck up. We do this biz since 4 years and thsi year was simply catastrophic. Why? Cause Factories are announcing Miners they can't deliver, its something new, new in the way we experiencing it now. Delays are common, it can happen and most of us know it. But announcing miners collecting money and then schedule delivery as they want in this form, is completely new and THE REAL FRAUD here. Ask any other shop from asicminervalue.com and they will confirm. There are millions of dollars as we speak right now on Chinese Accounts simply not being refunded and being used to develop machines that have been announced but never really were on the market. See StrongU U6, see the delays of Whatsminer and see the delays even from Bitmain.

So this is what we know now, we did not know it when James purchased the miner that it would end up in a complete disaster, this is a complete new scenario in the market that big. The real disaster though is the way James acts even though its partially understandable. He is a customer, he feels we are responsible, we want to refund him but need to wait for the refund of innosilicon. Thats how it works and normally, till mid this year, all factories acted in a normal timeframe, life as a reseller was much easier.

Now here comes the problem. When you buy a miner from shops like us or others to be found on asicminervalue.com and you buy a batch, we do not have nor the miner, nor the direct purchase from the factory. Cause if the miner would be available from the factory, you would buy it there no? Right, they are not available anymore so chinese distributors resell their purchases (orders) to resellers like us. Has always been like that, has always worked (not only since last week) and that's the reason there is no order placed by PROMINERZ at innosilicon. So we need to tell those distributors to cancel James's order. We did that. Now we are waiting for the money from innosilicon to arrive.

Now since last week the situation changed drastically.

I understand when things aren't working out, people get desperate. But taking even this in consideration and writing reviews, accusing us of scam and or working with banks and being criminals, that is a bit too much. If something is wrong, you can always check the legal possibilities, act and put pressure by using the legal possibilities in your country or covered by international trade laws. Writing reviews publicly where you name us Scammers and threaten us with FBI, Police and probably in a next step with a personal visit of Donald Trump, we have to take action too. Every seller of whatever will understand what we are talking about. Writing reviews on that level, costs us money too, destroys our until now clean reputation and has consequences. To find a way out of this is only possible with lawyers cause paying back the client, having his uncontrollable written wrath online, is a no go, and that's where we stand now.

Sellers have rights too and it's not about taking advantage or keeping money, this matter got into a legal case by force and thank god we have laws in Switzerland and we don't live in a country where you go to jail just cause someone accuses you of something.

On a miner like this we earn about 4-7% and that's it. We don't become millionaires just cause we sell costly equipment, we are a normal mid size business that tries to make it easier for customers to buy miners from China. Cause buying from alibaba and other platforms is a risk, contains a risk still and that's why we exist.

We accept criticism and even handle accusations. If they are true and don't hurt us that way.

We are always reachable through our channels and gladly answer questions.

Bests

Prominerz.com

Well I heard back from him today. He said Innosilicon said they never heard of prominerz and that they had no orders from them for his miner. Nor did they have any orders in the other names this guy uses. He reported the fraud to the FTC, and the internet cyber crimes unit of the FBI IC3. He said hell be filing a local police report this week. He also said some other things that Im not at liberty to repeat on here. Looks like prominerz is a scam after all.

Update:
Talked to him last night. He said he is holding out on the police report because he heard back from a guy named Reto at Prominerz, and that they had cancelled his order and were waiting for Innosilicon to send confirmation and the refund. He said he had heard that from them before, but that was before Innosilicon made the announcement about refunds.
I will keep the board posted.

I believe he found them on Asicminer Not sure though.

Thanks for the info. I have passed it on. He's not on Bitcointalk. I read a lot fof correspondence between him and a guy named Reto at Prominerz. He threatened to take Reto to court on it. Last I talked to him today, he said he was filing a police report in America next week and he has already filed with the FTC. I don't know if anything has changed since then, (9:00am est)
Lots of emails back and fourth between the 2. Prominerz claimed they were waiting on Innosilicon to cancel the order. Don't know if that is true or not. I can say this though. My guy is out 10 grand and about to drop another 5 on a lawyer I referred him to plus travel cost. I almost ordered at the same time he did but wasn't ready when he was. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

I asked him if I can have copies of the emails and he said after he files the Police report Monday he will shoot me copies.

Someone already made a scam accusation against prominerz including the other fake miner shops. There are many people fell for this fake sellers and scammed big amount.

Let me ask if how your friend found the prominerz?

Next time tell your friends to buy directly to manufacturers to avoid scam if you use a 3rd party like prominerz you will always end up scammed.

Read this:


Other fake sellers can be found here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fake-sellers-who-5174460

If his money was taken, and he did not get a refund. I would advise your friend to OP up a scam accusation in this board: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0 following the format in this thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-report-format-use-it-to-make-scam-reports-properly-260073

There are so many scammers pretending to be selling mining equipment. you and your friend have to be careful

A friend of mine ordered from you and is waiting for his refund on a grin miner. I almost fell for the scam but wanted to wait to see how his transaction turned out. I read all the email correspondence between yall and referred him to my lawyer. I won't pass judgement till I hear back from him.
Edit just talked to him. He's filing a police report against prominerz Monday. So much for me sending my money. Will keep the board posted on the outcome.