Topic: Protect Your Account From Plagiarism Ban (Read 852 times)

It is likely you mentioned about me, like I actually plagiarised ^^.
I read a book from a Buddism monk, in which he wrote that people often feel sad when their mistakes found, and get punishments; but they should think positively and feel happy that more of their bad things have not been found yet. (I don't know where it is in the book, because I have not read this book in English version, you can buy and read it for your interests) https://www.amazon.com/Who-Ordered-This-Truckload-Dung/dp/0861712781
It is nearly the same what usually occur when people get permanent bans due to their plagiarism. They only complained, appealed, but they forgot to say thanks to all the rest violations that have not been found yet.

According to lingholic, a vocabulary of 3,000 words will cover 95% of "common texts" and the average adult has a vocabulary of about 20,000 words.

If you take the 3,000 words that make up 95% of "common texts" (books, news articles, blog posts), and square this figure, there are 9 million possible word combinations. This means if you write two random words, there is a 1 in 9 million chance someone else will write those same words also writing two random words. Granted, some of the rules of English grammar dictate that certain words cannot be used after other particular words. I believe there to be possibly be about 5 million posts in this forum, if I am understanding how the "msg" number works in SMF correctly.

Some words are used more frequently than others, and some words will be used more frequently when discussing a particular topic/subject. I think it is pretty unlikely that two people will write the same thing, with the 2nd person writing 10 or more words exactly as the first person wrote without ever interacting with the 1st person's post.

There are certain common phrases that are okay, but I have not seen anyone banned for using a common phrase. 

Yeah agree with you and its true that some people think that its not going to reveal if they slightly edit someone others and use that as their own. I don't understand why you need to copy others if you don't have the ability to deliver something from your own. If you care about to increase your activity or getting merits then obviously you should keep it on mind that stealing others ideas isn't a good habit and thats not going to give you good return. Isn't i better to achieve the skill of free writing by your own?

Its pretty much common that one person don't have the quality to do everything perfectly but why you are taking it as a bad thing. Learning is always a better thing. So anyone can put them far from plagiarism by building a habit of learning rather than copying others. All we should remind that sooner or later our plagiarism will be opened to everyone and that time we will be ashamed for our past work.

I don't note the post of theymos on it, so I can point it out here, but theymos answered someone else's question on the risk of being considered as plagiarism by posting well-known idioms, something like this. Theymos, actually does not consider it as plagiarism at all by pointing out the even in universities, such idioms/ phrases simply be put in " xxxx ", that's all.
In the forum context, some most popular phrases like "Coin specifications, bitcoin block reward halving, and so on" are not considered as plagiarism.

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Personally, I don't see convincing reasons to spend time and bandwith to collect such things and use them as sources for plagiabots. Mainly because people actually know what they do when copying and pasting. When plagiarism found, it is definitely very clear and convincing proofs.

The oxford dictionary stated that there are around 171,476 words currently in use. Obviously we should narrow down the number of words used in a given sentence here due to grammatical constraints and forum context.

Providing one is slightly original in thought, and writes phrases which are not just a couple of words long, one should be ok. Reported plagiarism is manually checked before proceeding to rule on it, so context and intent are taken into account.

 An unfortunate coincidence of  commonly used phrases  is hanging  like the  "sword of Damocles" over each forum's participant. Isn't it better to implement on forum  the   preliminary background check to ensure that none of the plagiarism cases is envisaged after user's post came to life?  

Even they did plagiarised themselves or not (because plagiarsim made before the days they bought their accounts), it is clearly that they all made mistakes. Consequently, they have to admit all their mistakes, and wait for second chances to come back from death. However, as we all understood that probability to come back from deaths is very very low, and only positive-net-effected users can have such chances. If a banned users even don't think that they don't have any kind of positive-net-effects, they should once again accept their permanent death. It's hard to accept, and might make them madly, but it's fact, and if there is available second chance, but they actually can not take it, they should not complain anything more.

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At least from bill gator situation, we got one more thing: Bought accounts that perma-banned, but get positive net-effects can actually come back with negative trusts after their perma-bans uplifted.

Known members are not getting banned from nothing becayse one of the biggest reasons why known accounts are getting banned are from the plagiarized post they don't even know where it came from. One of the recent example there is from billgator in which he got banned from a post he unknowingly plagiarized and do you know the reason why he doesn't know about it? He is not the first owner of the account and he just bought it from another user who probably plagiarized his way to rank up. So as you can see some high ranking members got banned because of the plagiarism they didn't even do.

Some other possible reasons for plagiarism, based on what I have read on the forum is :

• language been a barrier, especially for non English speakers(I Wonder if local language boards get nuked or banned for this)
• Bad habits brought from other forums that care less about plagiarism

This reason doesn't really apply for the recent wave of bans as the merit system was not around during this time but still valid for possible reasons for todays plagiarism.

I know it. Users can edit, or delete their posts, so if it is likely important post, it should be quoted for future reference. Or, there is a better option to archive page includes that post. Archive has better effects because we can archive a page and see flow of discussion through that archived page. Quote has only effects for reference of a single post, and it is hard to see flow of discussion.

Not just limiting it to pyramid quotes (but thanks for the proper word there).
I mean, I want people to understand the exact use of quoting here.

Why should quotes be used then?
When an important discussion is being done and you want to debate on that, you can quote the author's content and start discussing, but it's better to use ~snip~ for longer responses by them. One most important thing here if you want to keep the whole quote of a person is - QUOTED FOR REFERENCE (FUTURE). This is the purpose quotes serve here. If you believe that the important "said" thing can / maybe / will be edited by author and that change may be to prove themselves innocent in case they show up guilty in future for any of the related deeds to that quoted content, then that quote will work like a charm.



I don't think there's anything bad in quoting anyone's content or images (except if the data is confidential like someone's real life profile or even publishing anything personal about an entity without their consent, and in case of images, if the image is a copyrighted one, then you'll surely get into a big problem here my dear).

Seems ban issue become more complicated, because still I have seen last day a well reputed user got ban. I think there multiple thread about ban issue how to avoid ban including this OP. But wondering why they are not reviewing their post history yet. Either delete or edit would be solution right now. I am not encouraging for plagiarism but if someone did mistake on past then this oppurtunity to save their account by deleting or editing post.

It's not just matter of forum post. Copy from out side forum also would be consider plagiarism and ban your account. So just use your brain and follow up your post history would save your account. And try to avoid copy paste even with source link. It's not good practice. Just try to write yourself and you can use link for as a reference link. No need to copy paste all content or use quote.

Yeah those can keep someone far from committing plagiarism. Discovering self creativity is a good thing and its blindly appreciated by all. Lets forget to copy paste others ideas and establish self as a well reputed member of this community. One thing we should keep on mind that if we steal ideas from others sooner or later it will reveal. So my humble request to our forum newbies , "Do not steal ideas from others, show your own unique ideas and creativity", We are eagerly waiting to see every single users particular performances guys.

It is exactly confirmation on highly intentional plagiarsim. Copying and pasting without source, without quote, you can not say that it is unintentional plagiarsim. It is only truth for someone whom don't know how to use quote block, and the rule of plagiarsim in the forum. Even in such case, it is faults of posters, not the forum, and they can not deny that is plagiarism made by themselves.

Best advice includes:
- Read rules
- Learn how to use quote
- Don't intentionally steal others' ideas.
theymos emphasizes it there:
Maybe, you implied about pyramid quotes. [TIPS] to avoid pyramid quotes (for Newbies)
For authors' permissions to quote their statements, or images, it is unnecessary there, but we actually should ask for permissions in real life to maintain good moral behaviours.
Publication of copyright photos without permission (plagiarism), personal data..

You mean as you've said:

The OP should be edited to reflect this advice.

And then, when someone copies the whole statement and adds up something without quoting it:

The OP should be edited to reflect this advice and make everyone understand the rules in a much better way.

This is also considered as plagiarism (I made it clear to those who just copy - paste such contents of other users without their permission and as well, they don't even wrote but add up bullshit with what's already said by someone before).

Even unnecessary quotes (making stairs of spam without adding anything constructive and meaningful to the discussion) can also lead you to ban, so just learn from everyone's experiences and watch out, because you're under the radar and being watched as well. So, my best advice would be to ignore any such mistakes that could lead you towards a ban (maybe a permaban when it's about plagiarism).

To those who are trying to educate people to property use the "quote" function: I do not believe the wave of plagiarism is the result of unintentional lack of citations.

Many of the examples of plagiarism resulting in bans I have seen compromise of posts made entirely of content from a single, other source. There is no additional commentary, content, or even a brief statement saying they agree with the content. This makes me believe the intention was to try to pass off the words of someone else as their own, for their own financial benefit.

I believe the best advice is below:


The OP should be edited to reflect this advice.

Sure, it should be done with full source link, but in case we can not remember where it is and can not find it, but we know exactly who said it, we can use quote block with author names. However, it is the last option.

I guess you suggest something like this, and it is a great idea, honestly. Some kind of warning like:
"Warning! You ask a common question, that repeatedly asked thousands of times by Newbies in the forum. So, please cancel the post, don't publish it. Instead, you should go there: Searching to find available answers. You most likely find available answers for your question"

It's actually a good thing if you try and show the source of the content you're using to put here. Come on, what's making you ashamed of it when it's not your content afterwards? When we speak about quality here, we talk about a person's own ability and eligibility to write something that had not been created/published elsewhere which shows that the said person has got his own genuine ideas with which he/she is contributing by telling us something interesting that we didn't know before.

I guess that none of these users that come here - read the rules at first, and then cry later. If that's the case, the banhammers will continue to do their work and ban appeals will pop up as usual.

My tips to save yourself from plagiarism:

- Don't steal anybody's content. You've got your brains, use it to make a meaningful sentence. If you don't know English, learn. If you can't even do that, you don't need to post here (or simply, no need to be here as when you can't even discuss anything on your own then why are you here? Just see and learn, find your questions).

- Use quotes and use author's name in the first quote (be it from Bitcointalk - automatically shows up once we click "quote" OR somewhere else you've taken the content from). It's better to use archive and then just paste that thing here. The best thing would be to just share the work through links and don't just copy only (and if done, just paste the exact thing here with the source link).

@theymos,
Can I ask you something?
When I gave my first tip here, I just saw something and thought to ask you about the same. Isn't it possible for you to raise immediate warnings to new users when they ask the same questions like what is Bitcoin? What is confirmation? etc. etc.

Because this boosts a lot of spam as many users who've already answered it for at least 100 times, use that thread and start talking bullshit to create one more megaspam thread.

For your question, this is why I wrote the 1.2 solution there:
For example, I can write this one, and don't plagiarise.

I assume it would be sufficient to write something along the lines, 'I read on facebook' or 'I saw on TV' when writing a post to avoid being reported for plagiarism.
One might see an interesting discussion on the facebook wall without commenting or liking it. So that post doesn't become part of your activity log. The next time you open facebook, it is no longer there.

Or you might remember a discussion you saw on TV without knowing the show, person etc. Now imagine that you write a post mentioning what you heard on TV or read on facebook and it turns out that a very similar rephrased or exact discussion already took place somewhere else.

If the user doing the reporting or the admin who checks the report doesn't pay enough attention he might think you stole the information from that source without providing a reference while in fact that wasn't the case.     

So my question is, would it be enough to write 'I read on facebook' or 'I saw on TV'? In theory it should because you are not claiming it as your own, you just can't provide a source link to something you don't know is there.