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hero member
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January 11, 2023, 12:00:37 PM
#4
In fact, if we play on the most trusted and most popular casino sites, all the games are the same, there's no such thing as fair or unfair.
If Tita says it's fair, it's because we won and the dealer lost, was that fair for the dealer, and conversely, we can say it's unfair, if we lose and the dealer wins, is that fair for those of us who only bet and play.
So my personal response to the question you made is that all games are the same.
Fair or unfair depends on our own mindset not about the problem of the game or even the casino site.
Except if we play at a casino which is indeed a scam and fraud often occurs in it, then it can be said that it is unfair. However, the fault is not entirely with the casino or the players, but we are also wrong for choosing to play at a casino that cannot be relied on and trusted.
jr. member
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January 11, 2023, 11:43:58 AM
#3
Clientseed: this is provided by the browser you’re playing on;
this can be changed by players!

if we play on a fixed bet amount the probability is it will hit 100x in 100spins or more or less but around 100 spins when played on a fixed bet
no absolutely.
you can hit x100 also after 2000 games or maybe 3000. and it would be pretty fine.
These statistics should be seen as "infinite". It means that maybe the ratio (more or less) of win x100 could be seen after 1milion of bet. Meanwhile, on the contrary, you can have also a better outcome.
It's just an indicator of the real odds... Anyway remember there is always RTP /House edge, so a slight percentage is always on favor of casino/house.

Means capturing 100x is easy when played on a fixed bet amount
and in constantly changing bet amount, is hard to capture 100x it can take upto 200 300 spins
the same apply here. the stake/amount you're using doesn't change the probability outcome.

client seed tell to server that this player is winning then you will notice you are losing more  then previous games after winning sometimes
No. you can change even at each roll your seed (client seed)... your is a complete bad assumption Sad
Because 1 seed is not communicating anything, 2 you can always change your seed after each game and verify the previous game.




I experimented many times ,
Changing client seed will reset everything ,

and

Let , I am playing keno , you can experiment this,
ok , so game is provably fair ,  
I selected 10 keno number and I faced a long losing streak of 20 then It will always hit when by bet is initial amount or less than initial when i started playing keno
After long losing streak of 20 When i incresed the bet by only a few percent I will continue losing streak
I don't know this assumptiom is right or not
But i experimented 6 months
If you don't believe you can experiment i guarantee you will also face this type of fairness
legendary
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January 11, 2023, 11:01:02 AM
#2
Clientseed: this is provided by the browser you’re playing on;
this can be changed by players!

if we play on a fixed bet amount the probability is it will hit 100x in 100spins or more or less but around 100 spins when played on a fixed bet
no absolutely.
you can hit x100 also after 2000 games or maybe 3000. and it would be pretty fine.
These statistics should be seen as "infinite". It means that maybe the ratio (more or less) of win x100 could be seen after 1milion of bet. Meanwhile, on the contrary, you can have also a better outcome.
It's just an indicator of the real odds... Anyway remember there is always RTP /House edge, so a slight percentage is always on favor of casino/house.

Means capturing 100x is easy when played on a fixed bet amount
and in constantly changing bet amount, is hard to capture 100x it can take upto 200 300 spins
the same apply here. the stake/amount you're using doesn't change the probability outcome.

client seed tell to server that this player is winning then you will notice you are losing more  then previous games after winning sometimes
No. you can change even at each roll your seed (client seed)... your is a complete bad assumption Sad
Because 1 seed is not communicating anything, 2 you can always change your seed after each game and verify the previous game.
jr. member
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January 11, 2023, 09:45:56 AM
#1
I am playing provably fair games for 1 year on sites like stake , bc game etc,
How provably fair games works :
Serverseed: this is provided by the casino itself;
Clientseed: this is provided by the browser you’re playing on;
Nonce: with each new hand, this variable increases by one so you can keep track of which hand is which by the end of the session.
Before you start you will get a hash of the serverseed, which is encrypted. This hash contains the entire game you’re about to play, so the casino cannot change it no matter what. Also, because it comes to you in an encrypted code, you yourself cannot calculate any results for the hands you’re about to play.

So you noticed something: in these type of games our client seed also used,
people think that provably fair means everything is random , but no ,random in numbers but not in streaks
Many people play to capture 100x 1000x , if we play on a fixed bet amount the probability is it will hit 100x in 100spins or more or less but around 100 spins when played on a fixed bet

and assume you started betting on a fixed bet and you completed 80 bets to capture 100x ,  it's obvious it will hit in next 40 or less spins
but when you increase your bet even 1 % of your previous bet , then it will take another 100 spins to hit 100x

Means capturing 100x is easy when played on a fixed bet amount
and in constantly changing bet amount, is hard to capture 100x it can take upto 200 300 spins

the algorithm count our nonce and use client seed to determine this player is winning or losing when player is losing then the client seed also sent to server that this player is losing so you will definetly win 2, 3 times in a row.

after winning. client seed tell to server that this player is winning then you will notice you are losing more  then previous games after winning sometimes
This is my experience from these games i know I am bad to teach but i tested many times .

you will always lose when you play provably fair games too long

I played provably fair games 1 year and i mostly losed so i am moving to live casino

My english is bad and it's hard for me to make you understand ,
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