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Quote from: CIYAM on November 05, 2015, 11:03:23 AM

Quote from: knight22 on November 05, 2015, 11:02:07 AM

This is your opinion which a lot of people and businesses disagree with. Feel free to ignore those who find bitcoin convenient and want to do more tx with. Now they are forking you.

You say so and so do others wanting to control BTC but the fact is that I don't know *anyone* that uses BTC to buy anything beyond the members of this forum.

Even Microsoft *dropped* BTC as a payment option (and they are not the only company to do so) as basically no-one is using it.

As of right now, but businesses that are investing at putting rails to make it happen in the near future and bring the mainstream to use it through their services needs more capacity. They won't let their investment go away, they will use the code that meets their needs. I'm not sure what is so hard to understand about that.

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Quote from: Snail2 on November 05, 2015, 11:06:03 AM

There's nobody against increasing the block size in a well planned, consensus based manner. What many of us up against is hijacking development, hijacking the blokchain and forcing a minority opinion to the majority for the sake of the financial interest of that minority.

You nailed it!

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Quote from: Cuidler on November 05, 2015, 10:57:03 AM

Please stop this nonsence. Litecoin proved Bitcoin can switch to 4MB with no security risks. Actually it would be highly beneficials for Bitcoin users to have 4MB maximum blocksize right now because it means your transaction does not need to wait few blocks because blocks are full already quite often (I saw last six blocks each 950KB recently Sad

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There's nobody against increasing the block size in a well planned, consensus based manner. What many of us up against is hijacking development, hijacking the blokchain and forcing a minority opinion to the majority for the sake of the financial interests of that minority.

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Quote from: knight22 on November 05, 2015, 11:02:07 AM

This is your opinion which a lot of people and businesses disagree with. Feel free to ignore those who find bitcoin convenient and want to do more tx with. Now they are forking you.

You say so and so do others wanting to control BTC but the fact is that I don't know *anyone* that uses BTC to buy anything beyond the members of this forum.

Even Microsoft *dropped* BTC as a payment option (and they are not the only company to do so) as basically no-one is using it.

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Quote from: CIYAM on November 05, 2015, 10:56:04 AM

Quote from: knight22 on November 05, 2015, 10:54:15 AM

My guess is that the Chinese exchanges will follow too as they also need capacity for the exact same reasons.

My guess is that the Chinese are not going to be bullied by the US and there is no actual need for the capacity (as trading on exchanges is not done on the blockchain).

No one is bulling anyone. This is open source technology and people are free to do whatever they want. The biggest US companies have decided to fork because Core does not responding to their needs. Well then, be it.

Quote from: CIYAM on November 05, 2015, 10:56:04 AM

Very few people are actually using BTC for normal txs - it is simply not convenient and the fees to get your BTC make it actually a stupid idea (this whole argument about needing more volume of txs is actually just rubbish).

This is your opinion which a lot of people and businesses disagree with. Feel free to ignore those who find bitcoin convenient and want to do more tx with. Now they are forking you.

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Quote from: knight22 on November 05, 2015, 10:43:31 AM

If the businesses that sells the most coins to the public decide to fork, miners will follow. There is no doubt about that.

How they would fork without miners? In these days China moving the bitcoin scene, without them it's not going to work. BTW they not going to follow. They will add BTC-XT as a new coin and going to make money from BTC/BTC-XT speculation

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Quote from: AtheistAKASaneBrain on November 05, 2015, 10:32:31 AM

Seems obvious that the powers that be are scared as hell of Bitcoin and have an agenda to centralize Bitcoin as much as possible to control it at will. Just look at videos like this:

They are scared and want to do something about it, a trojan like XT and or big ass blocks seem like the best way to stop Bitcoin being decentralized.

Please stop this nonsence. Litecoin proved Bitcoin can switch to 4MB with no security risks. Actually it would be highly beneficials for Bitcoin users to have 4MB maximum blocksize right now because it means your transaction does not need to wait few blocks because blocks are full already quite often (I saw last six blocks each 950KB recently Sad

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Quote from: knight22 on November 05, 2015, 10:54:15 AM

My guess is that the Chinese exchanges will follow too as they also need capacity for the exact same reasons.

My guess is that the Chinese are not going to be bullied by the US and there is no actual need for the capacity (as trading on exchanges is not done on the blockchain).

Very few people are actually using BTC for normal txs - it is simply not convenient and the fees to get your BTC make it actually a stupid idea (this whole argument about needing more volume of txs is actually just rubbish).

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Quote from: CIYAM on November 05, 2015, 10:52:20 AM

Quote from: knight22 on November 05, 2015, 10:50:25 AM

Miners will go where the big bucks are. Plain and simple. Or put it simpler, hash rate will go where the big bucks are, irrespective of the actual Chinese miners.

The "big bucks" are in China (another plain and simple point you seem to have missed).

How did BTC ever get to over 1000 USD - China - how has BTC suddenly jumped up in value recently - again China - you seem to really have a trouble with China.

Don't like Chinese people?

My guess is that the Chinese exchanges will follow too as they also need capacity for the exact same reasons.

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Quote from: knight22 on November 05, 2015, 10:50:25 AM

Miners will go where the big bucks are. Plain and simple. Or put it simpler, hash rate will go where the big bucks are, irrespective of the actual Chinese miners.

The "big bucks" are in China (another plain and simple point you seem to have missed).

How did BTC ever get to over 1000 USD - China - how has BTC suddenly jumped up in value recently - again China - you seem to really have a trouble with China.

Don't like Chinese people?

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Quote from: Snail2 on November 05, 2015, 10:39:56 AM

Apart from babbling about the necessity of BIP 101, what they can do against the will of the majority? If they can't persuade the miners they can keep talking what they want and as much they want but that's not going to move their case anywhere.

And why should only one company be deciding bitcoin development, every player in the business should have an input.

Coinbase business is injured because all of these delays in transaction confirmation, and this is happening because Blockstream hijacked bitcoin development and are now creating a necessity for their business by not increasing block size.

And you're right there's very little they can do, íf a company wants to have anything to say about the bitcoin development it has to buy all the developers, touché Blockstream.

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Quote from: CIYAM on November 05, 2015, 10:44:36 AM

Quote from: knight22 on November 05, 2015, 10:43:31 AM

If the businesses that sells the most coins to the public decide to fork, miners will follow. There is no doubt about that.

I don't see any Chinese following this - so no - total US attempt at a takeover that will lose (you seem to have not understood that the most BTC is being traded in China not the US).

Miners will go where the big bucks are. Plain and simple. Or put it simpler, hash rate will go where the big bucks are, irrespective of the actual Chinese miners.

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Quote from: knight22 on November 05, 2015, 10:48:12 AM

I'm not sure to understand you point. I don't think Mike Hearn is being paid by anyone of these businesses. At least not of right now.

So you think he works for nothing?

(I'd suggest you look a little deeper)

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Quote from: CIYAM on November 05, 2015, 10:38:57 AM

So he is not relevant to your comment about "their investment vanish" - who is (my guess - the people that pay him)?

I'm not sure to understand you point. I don't think Mike Hearn is being paid by anyone of these businesses. At least not of right now.

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Quote from: knight22 on November 05, 2015, 10:43:31 AM

If the businesses that sells the most coins to the public decide to fork, miners will follow. There is no doubt about that.

I don't see any Chinese following this - so no - total US attempt at a takeover that will lose (you seem to have not understood that the most BTC is being traded in China not the US).

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Quote from: Snail2 on November 05, 2015, 10:39:56 AM

Apart from babbling about the necessity of BIP 101, what they can do against the will of the majority? If they can't persuade the miners they can keep talking what they want and as much they want but that's not going to move their case anywhere.

If the businesses that sells the most coins to the public decide to fork, miners will follow. There is no doubt about that.

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Well, all the scam mining companies that robbed us collectively out of massive sums of money with their lies are definitely sociopaths and probably psychopaths too.

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Apart from babbling about the necessity of BIP 101, what they can do against the will of the majority? If they can't persuade the miners they can keep talking what they want and as much they want but that's not going to move their case anywhere.

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Quote from: knight22 on November 05, 2015, 10:37:46 AM

Quote from: CIYAM on November 05, 2015, 10:34:37 AM

Quote from: knight22 on November 05, 2015, 10:32:44 AM

Yeah they are psychopath because they don't want to see their investment vanish and their businesses to go bankrupt Roll Eyes

Oh - then why does Mike Hearn keep saying he doesn't have any much Bitcoin (and he is not the owner of any business is he)?

No, he is just a coder. Who he are, what he does in his life and how much bitcoins he hold is irrelevant to the code that will be used by the industry.

So he is not relevant to your comment about "their investment vanish" - who is (my guess - the people that pay him)?

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