Topic: Public STATEMENT Regarding Bitcoinica account hack at MtGox - page 9. (Read 72856 times)

I continue to be flabbergasted at the Bitcoinica clusterf*ck. How on earth any one with any sense thinks they should keep posting on a public forum when the threat of legal action hangs over their heads is beyond me.

Honestly- Zhou, why are you still writing on the forum? Just post a message: "My lawyer has advised me to give no further comment" and leave it at that (and of course, actually get a lawyer). You're insane to keep writing anything here. Everyones answer to everything at this point in time should be: "no comment".

As for AurumExchange and bitInstant, I can't see how either of you have any real right to post this information in the forums either. You obviously redacted some of it, knowing that it could be sensitive in a legal setting, but I think you really open yourselves up to some sort of legal action. Imagine if all this goes to trial, Zhou is cleared and he turns around and sues for liable? I think any court would ask first and formost, if he hasn't yet been convicted- why go public?

Anyway, this is insane that it continues. I guess part of us loves the drama, but for goodness sake stop the madness. With all the posts back and forth there is no way for none of you to have not contradicted yourselves in some technical way, and lawyers for whomever your opposing party may be will definitely pick every letter written apart to find it. Everyone go get lawyers and hush the heck up!

Post the court transcripts when ready, until then- don't work so hard at extending your potential sentences!

Where was the message from? QQ Group? Please release a screenshot.

I try my best to translate the message as following:

Ryan said he/she wants to sell a lot of LR USD (maximum 10,000LR USD) at a price of 6.2 RMB per LR USD for his friend, and get cash by TenPay (http://www.tenpay.com).

I'm sorry but,

• Who are you?
• Are you claiming you have evidence that LR account U9236056 is controlled by Zhou Thong? Could you really prove that?
• What do all those Chinese symbols in your post mean?

Thanks

Would have been nice to keep me in the loop at that point, then.

Zhou's explanation sounds convincing, but as previously said it is not up to us to judge, and legal action is most likely unavoidable at this point.


Either way, I believe many here would appreciate to know who they can turn themselves to to get things moving forward.

Or........

Steve Jobs is not really dead, likes bitcoin and has taken up work at Microsoft India.  

Thanks for posting here. I hope the puzzle can be solved soon and Bitcoinica's customers can get their claimed amount back in full.

It would suprise me greatly if Zhou is responsible for this.

I do not have access to any first-hand evidence that would implicate Zhou.

I work on behalf of the fund that invested in Bitcoinica. I have no position of authority with Bitcoinica LP.

When it was made known to me that some suspected Zhou, my recommendation was to confront him privately for his explanation.

New evidence shows that zhoutong is the hacker.

After Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised ,zhoutong sell LR in China.

日期:2012-7-12

Ryan(11853074) 20:03:18

6.2出LR，财付通付款

Ryan(11853074) 20:13:06

要多少有多少

Ryan(11853074) 20:13:12

我帮一个朋友出的

Ryan(11853074) 20:14:06

1万美元之内都没什么问题

Ryan(11853074) 20:17:18

LibertyReserve

And  zhoutong's LR account is :
http://cnbtcnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/zhongtongLRaccount.jpg

zhoutong said The hacker registered a Liberty Reserve account U9236056 at Jul 12, 2012 9:42 PM.

So now everyone knows zhoutong is the hacker!!!

I have posted another thread about Chen Jianhai: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/statement-about-the-suspect-of-recent-bitcoinica-hack-95795

I agree with Matthew here. On the other hand all this Bitcoinica-related stupidity is decidedly public and therefore highly contagious. Exchange owners may be forgiven for attempts at pig farming, for they, in a way, must regulate, especially given that none of the interested parties are willing to report this matter to the authorities.

On the topic: I find probability of Zhou being falsely implicated here @ ~99%. (~1% being reserved for a 3rd party influence/hormonal misbalance/luck of chance/intoxication or somesuch aberration - he is a young man after all). It is, sadly, normal that young people like Zhou/Amir being exploited by the real perpetrators from BC, who agree to use customers' deposits for their expenses and then delay legitimate refunds. There is no point to think we/Bitcoin/any form of financial innovation can do something to change that in a world order, rather than bring out even more greed.

I was waiting for someone to post that..

I haven't been following this hack, but from what I understand the MT Gox account was hacked because the password was hard-coded into the source code.

Are you saying that this associate, who had access to this email acount since 2010, also happened to be the first person to find the password in the source code, and then tried to frame you by using your anonymous email which you've only shared with a handful of people?

The season finale had better be good.  We don't need any more cliff-hangers.

I have located a suspect, his name is 陈建海(Chen Jianhai). He's NOT my friend and we have never met in person. He was one of my previous business associates because he's very familiar with credit card fraud and he advised me a lot (in terms of fraud prevention, of course) when I built my virtual goods payment processor in late 2010.

He has knowledge of my secret gmail address and I have once re-used the password in his web shop

His English is not very proficient and I'm sure that he's not reading this forum at the moment. I'm giving him a call now to persuade him to admit his wrong-doing and return the funds.

I'll post another thread soon.

There are 2 possible outcomes:
1) You are the hacker and can be sued. As you claim to transfer tons of money all the time, you can afford it and will replace the funds.
2) You will get of your lazy ass (sorry but it was your email account and you did not bother checking it despite that it had a (verified?) mtgox account attached) and investigate and eventually identify the hacker (as Mark said, it has to be you or one of your close (bitcoinica) "friends"). The hacker can be sues and (maybe) will replace the funds.
So I would say the future, regarding bitcoinica, looks brighter today than it has been yesterday

Skype was showing his time as 2am. Now it's showing 8pm. I don't understand why it does that but I remember this happening before.

Now that AurumXChange and MtGox's privacy policies have been publicly posted in this thread and it is quite obvious that MtGox at least is clearly in breach of them (as Mark stated they have not received any requests from government officials and are not aware of any official investigations) for officially confirming private facts about customer accounts, the burden of proof is now on AurumXChange to provide this order from government officials that would warrant the information being leaked, and make sure that the order mentions that this data was to be released publicly.

You forgot that it's a ticket with the hacker, not me. I had no way to possibly read this before the public statement.

I didn't see the forum had this feature, quite nice actually. Thank you very much, sturle.

You're getting flustered.  Zhou is in my time zone and it's currently 8:35 pm Thursday.

The forum is usually dead at this time of night.

No it was around 2pm.