Putin Advisor: Accepting Bitcoin Payments in Russia is a Crime - page 2.

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Quote from: yvv on February 06, 2016, 03:24:09 PM

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Accepting Bitcoin Payments in Russia is a Crime

Show me one single person, who was prosecuted for this "crime". Don't copypast bullshit "news" which are pulled out of morons ass.

the actual legal documents say that a individual being an unregistered money broker (like exchanging multiple times on localbitcoins) will only get a fine of 40k ruble ($500)

it is things like a CEO of a bank (legal entity) that is registered to process the ruble but has not declared they are exchanging into 'money surrogates' (not just bitcoin but many other currencies) . that can be fined millions or go to prison for a couple years.

but i do love the clickbait websites that twist stories into 'little immy will get jail if he even touches bitcoin'

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Quote from: yvv on February 06, 2016, 03:24:09 PM

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Accepting Bitcoin Payments in Russia is a Crime

Show me one single person, who was prosecuted for this "crime". Don't copypast bullshit "news" which are pulled out of morons ass.

Are you saying that EVERY BITCOIN PUBLICATION IS LYING TO US?

http://www.coindesk.com/receiving-bitcoin-payments-is-a-crime-says-russian-presidential-advisor/
http://forklog.net/putins-internet-counselor-accepting-bitcoin-is-a-crime/
http://themerkle.com/news/putins-adviser/
How is this possible?
Mainstream press hates us, Bitcoin press hates us too? Sad

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Accepting Bitcoin Payments in Russia is a Crime

Show me one single person, who was prosecuted for this "crime". Don't copypast bullshit "news" which are pulled out of morons ass.

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Quote from: Bit_Happy on February 06, 2016, 03:13:27 PM

If oil prices stay down for long, then the Russian Gov't will not have any time or money to focus on Bitcoins, since they will have a major crisis on their hands.

its not bitcoins they are directing it at precisely.. its illegal money exchanges that swap into any currency that is not legal tender (not the ruble) AKA money surrogates, which such new legislation affects a multitude of unregistered businesses that are not bitcoin related, if they dont register also.

but you are right oil (their main income stream) is a bigger threat to their economy..but they o nee to ensure that all of the exchanges into foreign currency are registered and overseen to try to avoid a bank run out of the ruble.

we wont see a true an accurate update to the bill until after february 20th.. so until then its just 'screams and whistles' of noise

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A Great Time to Start Something!

If oil prices stay down for long, then the Russian Gov't will not have any time or money to focus on Bitcoins, since they will have a major crisis on their hands.

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Quote from: ahpku on February 06, 2016, 02:58:17 PM

waffle from clickbait

so you want to use clickbait as your evidence..
again.. dont give coindesk links or forklog links.. and give the Lenta.ru or even a government news link which meant to be the source of a guy that just arrived in his job 1 month ago, who has not even made a draft himself, or any amendments (as they wont be done before february 20th)

so show me the quote on Lenta.ru which all the clickbait crypto sites have copy and pasted but not directly linked

please show the source, not the mis-interpretted and twisted comment out of context on the clickbait sites.. the actual source please

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Quote from: Blawpaw on February 06, 2016, 02:56:15 PM

The Russian Government forbids and criminalizes bitcoin every year...

Actually no, it's just being hashed out, pardon the pun Cheesy

Quote from: ahpku on February 06, 2016, 12:21:01 PM

Quote from: franky1 on February 06, 2016, 12:10:46 PM

Quote from: franky1 on February 06, 2016, 07:15:05 AM

firstly the bill is a draft.
secondly its about issuing any form of money without registering as a money business.
thirdly its not criminal (prison) its civil (fine)

citizens accepting funds for own use wont get fined.

but if found exchanging it multiple times(as a private broker/dealer) without being registered will be fined $250-$500 plus said bitcoins linked to the private broker confiscated.

small businesses accepting funds for own use wont get fined. but if found exchanging it in their small business will be fined $650-$900 plus said bitcoins linked to the small business confiscated.

large businesses.. blah blah.. $1000-$1300 fine plus coins confiscated

best analogy i can compare it to..
drugs
if your just buying it for personal use and only caught once. nothing will happen. but if your an unlicenced medication dispenser(dealer).. expect a fine.

Well no, crime, with possible JAIL TIME.

"Bitcoin is not the first one, there are other settlement means. Accepting bitcoin as a payment for anything is unacceptable because it is a crime.""

Quote from: ahpku on February 03, 2016, 12:36:32 PM

Quote from: Tzupy on February 03, 2016, 12:30:08 PM

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/russian-finance-ministry-proposes-a-2-year-prison-sentence-for-bitcoin-adopters/
According to a report, the Russian Finance Ministry is seeking to push for amendments to the Criminal Code by proposing two-year ‘corrective labor’ sentence, or a fine of up to 500,000 rubles for bitcoin users.

The Russian Interior and Finance Ministries see cryptocurrencies as a threat to not only the Russian economy, but also its national security.
‘Corrective labor’ colonies are among the most common types of prisons in Russia. They are a combination of penal detention and forced labor.

Been brewing for awhile...

Quote from: ahpku on January 18, 2016, 09:19:25 AM

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Quote from: ahpku on September 26, 2015, 08:55:43 AM

Russian Bear Fed Up With Bitcoin Bullshit

Quote from: http://www.coindesk.com/russian-ministry-correctional-labor-penalty-bitcoin-crimes/

Russia's Ministry of Finance has developed a new version of its proposed law that would seek to both outlaw and apply criminal penalties for activities involving digital currencies, according to a report by Russian news source Interfax.

Citing sources from within the Russian government, Interfax reports that acquiring, selling and distributing cryptocurrencies would be punishable with fines of 300,000 rubles ($4,574) or through up to 360 hours of correctional labor under the new bill.

Should such infractions be committed by an agency or group, the fines for such activities would increase to 500,000 rubles ($7,623).

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The Russian Government forbids and criminalizes bitcoin every year...

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Quote from: franky1 on February 06, 2016, 02:44:23 PM

Quote from: ahpku on February 06, 2016, 02:39:51 PM

Just read it, have you noticed the date? Cheesy

ok you read the first line..

and just so you know the government are reading this draft right now, and no amendments will be made until atleast february 20th. so that version is the most current, relevent and active version available.

now skip to section 30

I have skipped to section 30, I have skimmed through it. What does it have to do with words spoken a day or two ago? You ok, Friend?

The cited article: http://www.coindesk.com/receiving-bitcoin-payments-is-a-crime-says-russian-presidential-advisor/
"An advisor to Russian president Vladimir Putin has reportedly spoken out about bitcoin, going as far to suggest that taking payments in the digital currency is a criminal act.

Recently appointed Internet advisor German Klimenko told Russian-language online news service Lenta.ru that the acceptance of bitcoin payments constitutes a crime.

According to a translation by Russian bitcoin news site ForkLog, Klimenko told Lenta.ru:

"Bitcoin is not the first one, there are other settlement means. Accepting bitcoin as a payment for anything is unacceptable because it is a crime."

News (typically) gets reported within a few days of it happening. If it happened last month? Not news Sad

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Quote from: ahpku on February 06, 2016, 02:39:51 PM

Just read it, have you noticed the date? Cheesy

ok you read the first line..

and just so you know the government are reading this draft right now, and no amendments will be made until atleast february 20th. so that version is the most current, relevent and active version available.

now skip to section 30

by the way..
coindesk, talking about Forklog, talking about lenta.ru

so if you can find the actual quote and not coindesk/forlog/lenta stuff.. then you may win one round

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Quote from: franky1 on February 06, 2016, 02:34:30 PM

Quote from: ahpku on February 06, 2016, 02:29:08 PM

Because I'm not going to read through 1605 (sixteen-hundred-and-five) pages? Are you doing OK, buddy?

Quote from: franky1 on February 06, 2016, 02:24:55 PM

read the document.. hey ill help you out. skip to section 30

now you dont have to read all 1605 pages

Just read it, have you noticed the date? Cheesy

The cited article: http://www.coindesk.com/receiving-bitcoin-payments-is-a-crime-says-russian-presidential-advisor/
"An advisor to Russian president Vladimir Putin has reportedly spoken out about bitcoin, going as far to suggest that taking payments in the digital currency is a criminal act.

Recently appointed Internet advisor German Klimenko told Russian-language online news service Lenta.ru that the acceptance of bitcoin payments constitutes a crime.

According to a translation by Russian bitcoin news site ForkLog, Klimenko told Lenta.ru:

"Bitcoin is not the first one, there are other settlement means. Accepting bitcoin as a payment for anything is unacceptable because it is a crime."

Now why are you quoteing an old Duma pdf?

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Quote from: ahpku on February 06, 2016, 02:29:08 PM

Because I'm not going to read through 1605 (sixteen-hundred-and-five) pages? Are you doing OK, buddy?

Quote from: franky1 on February 06, 2016, 02:24:55 PM

read the document.. hey ill help you out. skip to section 30

now you dont have to read all 1605 pages

Quote from: ahpku on February 06, 2016, 02:33:37 PM

^NP. I was worried that you were Russian, took advice from this forum, took it srsly, and consequently got to be Jenechka's baitch for a couple of years.

says the guy that wants to avoid reading the legal document and instead take bitcoin motivated clickbait press at their word.. where most articles are copy and paste jobs and no real investigation or understanding is put into the clickbait articles.

kind of funny that he believes the word "money surrogates" is a direct attack on ust bitcoin .. not realising the actual bill is about getting money businesses to register to stay within the law, which could as a side effect affect some dodgy exchanges that dont want o register. which as a side effect could cause some of those dodgy exchanges who also touch bitcoin to be affected.

but dont take my word for it.. read the actual Bill.. its all there right from the horses mouth, without any clickbait exaggerations

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^NP. I was worried that you were Russian, took advice from this forum, took it srsly, and consequently got to be Jenechka's baitch for a couple of years.

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Quote from: ahpku on February 06, 2016, 02:24:51 PM

Quote from: erikalui on February 06, 2016, 02:17:38 PM

Russia has always been so harsh towards bitcoins. Making it a criminal offense in one country doesn't make it illegal in the rest of the world (I hope my country doesn't take this as an example and ban bitcoins.) I don't know if this would affect bitcoins in a negative way but the more countries banning bitcoins would definitely affect the crypto currency.

Instead of banning it, couldn't they find a way to regulate the currency?

Russia is not in the best of shapes right now, it doesn't have time to properly regulate a coin with users who bait it with, basically, "nya nya, you can't stop us, we's antifragile, what'ch'a gonna do, huh?"
Think about it.

@Laosai, then WTF are you talking about here: "But that means if I use btc as a business but register the exchanges and pay the taxes, I won't have any problem no?"

Oh, the "I"?

I don't know, I just wrote it like that sorry if that was confusing xD

I was placing myself as the owner of a business to describe the situation and be sure to understand it well that's all! But I'm not directly concerned by this.

Thanks for your answer anyway.

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Quote from: franky1 on February 06, 2016, 02:24:55 PM

Quote from: ahpku on February 06, 2016, 02:17:23 PM

And why would Bitcoin press lie to us? I mean *ALL BITCOIN PRESS,* in Russian, in English, probably in Turkish too, lying like a fucking rug? Only Franky1 knows the truth, they haven't shut him up yet. He don't speak a word of Russian, mind you, but he's a frikin' wiz with Google Translate Roll Eyes

so its my fault you have a crap PDF.

sorry but if you want the truth then download a different PDF reader.

read the document.. hey ill help you out. skip to section 30

and by the way, i thought u were russian, so why need to convert it from russian if you can read russian..

how about read the source first and complain later

Because I'm not going to read through 1605 (sixteen-hundred-and-five) pages? Are you doing OK, buddy?
So you're telling me that *ALL BITCOIN PRESS,* in Russian, in English, probably in Turkish too, lying like a fucking rug?
Only you are right, correct, you intrepid sleuth you?

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Quote from: ahpku on February 06, 2016, 02:17:23 PM

And why would Bitcoin press lie to us? I mean *ALL BITCOIN PRESS,* in Russian, in English, probably in Turkish too, lying like a fucking rug? Only Franky1 knows the truth, they haven't shut him up yet. He don't speak a word of Russian, mind you, but he's a frikin' wiz with Google Translate Roll Eyes

so its my fault you have a crap PDF reader.

sorry but if you want the truth then download a different PDF reader.

read the document.. hey ill help you out. skip to section 30

and by the way, i thought u were russian, so why need to convert it from russian if you can read russian..

how about read the source first and complain later

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Quote from: erikalui on February 06, 2016, 02:17:38 PM

Russia has always been so harsh towards bitcoins. Making it a criminal offense in one country doesn't make it illegal in the rest of the world (I hope my country doesn't take this as an example and ban bitcoins.) I don't know if this would affect bitcoins in a negative way but the more countries banning bitcoins would definitely affect the crypto currency.

Instead of banning it, couldn't they find a way to regulate the currency?

Russia is not in the best of shapes right now, it doesn't have time to properly regulate a coin with users who bait it with, basically, "nya nya, you can't stop us, we's antifragile, what'ch'a gonna do, huh?"
Think about it.

@Laosai, then WTF are you talking about here: "But that means if I use btc as a business but register the exchanges and pay the taxes, I won't have any problem no?"

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Quote from: ahpku on February 06, 2016, 02:07:50 PM

Quote from: Laosai on February 06, 2016, 02:03:06 PM

Quote from: franky1 on February 06, 2016, 01:50:16 PM

Quote from: Laosai on February 06, 2016, 01:44:03 PM

Not cool...
But I just don't understand why!
Why is Russia trying to fight bitcoin? It's not like it was a threat for it.

It's not interesting for the government to fight it.

its not a direct attack on bitcoin.. its an attack on unregistered exchanges.. lots of non bitcoin related (unregistered) money businesses can be affected.
the term is money surrogates.. which isnt limited to bitcoin.

its the crypto media that are spinning the news as clickbait.

Oh ok.

But that means if I use btc as a business but register the exchanges and pay the taxes, I won't have any problem no? Cause in this case it's just very similar to anything existing anywhere in the world!

Russian? Use google.
https://bitpress.ru/2016/02/06/rossijskim-bitkoin-polzovatelyam-grozit-shtraf-v-0-5-mln-rublej-ili-zaklyuchenie-v-tyurmu/
B пocлeднeм oтчeтe издaния пpaвитeльcтвa PФ «Poccийcкaя гaзeтa» cooбщaeтcя, чтo Mинфин пpeдлoжил внecти пoпpaвки в Угoлoвный кoдeкc cтpaны, coглacнo кoтopым лицa, пpичacтныe к выпycкy кpиптoвaлют, бyдyт «oштpaфoвaны нa cyммy в пoлмиллиoнa pyблeй или пpигoвopeны к иcпpaвитeльным paбoтaм нa cpoк дo двyx лeт».

Well no I'm not Russian. Gonna be honest I didn't understand one single word of what you just wrote xD

Anyway I'm not sure it'll have a strong impact whatsover. Most btc businesses are online!

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Russia has always been so harsh towards bitcoins. Making it a criminal offense in one country doesn't make it illegal in the rest of the world (I hope my country doesn't take this as an example and ban bitcoins.) I don't know if this would affect bitcoins in a negative way but the more countries banning bitcoins would definitely affect the crypto currency.

Instead of banning it, couldn't they find a way to regulate the currency?

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Quote from: franky1 on February 06, 2016, 02:14:49 PM

Quote from: ahpku on February 06, 2016, 02:07:50 PM

Russian? Use google.
https://bitpress.ru/2016/02/06/rossijskim-bitkoin-polzovatelyam-grozit-shtraf-v-0-5-mln-rublej-ili-zaklyuchenie-v-tyurmu/

bitpress.. lol try reading the actual legislation draft rather than the media clickbaits. you will learn more if you go to source, i even handed you the link

You handed me a link to a 1605 page PDF. My PDF reader refuses to search Cyrillics. That's like pointing me to the library and telling me to "look there." What page are we talking about?

And why would Bitcoin press lie to us? I mean *ALL BITCOIN PRESS,* in Russian, in English, probably in Turkish too, lying like a fucking rug? Only Franky1 knows the truth, they haven't shut him up yet. He don't speak a word of Russian, mind you, but he's a frikin' wiz with Google Translate Roll Eyes

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