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July 23, 2014, 07:29:39 PM
#54
You watch too many sci-fi movies. There is no such thing as storing someone consciousness.

Not YET there isn't.
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July 14, 2014, 09:56:32 PM
#53
You watch too many sci-fi movies. There is no such thing as storing someone consciousness.

Yet, we do not know the future or we would have built computers 1000 years ago Smiley
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July 12, 2014, 08:47:22 AM
#52
You watch too many sci-fi movies. There is no such thing as storing someone consciousness.
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Circa 2010
July 12, 2014, 08:40:07 AM
#51
I Was thinking it could be a network of computers all connected via Blockchain.

It would be impossible given both the theoretical constraints (how do you define human nature with a set of rules?) and the technological constraints (even if you could the amount of space you would require I'd wager would be beyond what we have today or anywhere in the near future). Not to mention you'd probably create a ridiculously inaccurate portrayal of the human your trying to copy; it just cannot be done.
legendary
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July 12, 2014, 08:27:16 AM
#50
cryptopher, relax dont try teach bitcoin-hotep (finshaggy) he is in his own dreamworld.

he is not understanding that the block data on my pc matches 100% the blockdata on your pc. meaning for him to put his little brother onto the blockchain, a full copy of all memory's, logic choices and images that build up a consciousness would be in full, 100% on my PC and 100% on your PC..

why would we want him on my or your pc..

bitcoins are not the technology for storage of human consciousness, because there would be thousands of complete copies of a single human on every persons pc. the consciousness is not spread where a single memory is on mine, a single memory is on yours and the peer-to-peer connections bring the two together.. that is not a bitcoin blockchain.. its where EVERY memory is on mine and VERY memory is on yours.

bitcoin-hotep(finshaggy) is deluded in all his dreams, he makes up fantasy stories and does money grabs, he even blackmailed his own mother and step father. the only reason he is here is by making up a unrelated fantasy. and then spends some time to find a way to mention the word 'bitcoin' in his fantasy, to then, in his mind make it relevant to be posted on this forum. Because in simple terms, no one wants to read it anywhere else unless he tries to make his dreams relevant to other readers.

this dream is irrelevant to bitcoin and so he needs to stop with the dreams and to start actually doing something that is truly related to bitcoin. (i have told him this many times.. kind of weird he has not understood how off-topic his mind is)
legendary
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Keep it dense, yeah?
July 12, 2014, 04:27:25 AM
#49
consider how much data a human body could produce (maybe trillion trillion TB size Shocked ), normal blockchain concept isn't suit for that .You need a super bitcloud-chain
I Was thinking it could be a network of computers all connected via Blockchain.

But the blockchain is all about redundancy. The data is stored redundantly across many nodes, which is what makes it robust to failures, rather than distributed across clients in some proportionate manner.

I think being broadcast across a global network could solve this, and hierarchies of systems to be used as brains.

Sure, you could use grid computing as a means for calculations just as Bitcoin does for hashing solutions when processing blocks.

The storage itself i.e. the Blockchain is stored redundantly and therefore that cannot be shared out. There would surely have to be a central location for storing the ruleset (knowledge base).
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July 08, 2014, 02:47:50 PM
#48
consider how much data a human body could produce (maybe trillion trillion TB size Shocked ), normal blockchain concept isn't suit for that .You need a super bitcloud-chain
I Was thinking it could be a network of computers all connected via Blockchain.

But the blockchain is all about redundancy. The data is stored redundantly across many nodes, which is what makes it robust to failures, rather than distributed across clients in some proportionate manner.

I think being broadcast across a global network could solve this, and hierarchies of systems to be used as brains.
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July 08, 2014, 04:34:15 AM
#47
You should watch the movie Transcendence, it's literally about copying the consciousness and storing it on a computer and thus keeping the person alive, in a way.
legendary
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Keep it dense, yeah?
July 08, 2014, 02:28:29 AM
#46
consider how much data a human body could produce (maybe trillion trillion TB size Shocked ), normal blockchain concept isn't suit for that .You need a super bitcloud-chain
I Was thinking it could be a network of computers all connected via Blockchain.

But the blockchain is all about redundancy. The data is stored redundantly across many nodes, which is what makes it robust to failures, rather than distributed across clients in some proportionate manner.
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July 07, 2014, 07:21:24 PM
#45
yes,u can try this www.proofofexistence.com
sr. member
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July 07, 2014, 02:16:30 PM
#44
Kinda like Bitcoin, but the transactions are questions.
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July 07, 2014, 02:15:51 PM
#43
consider how much data a human body could produce (maybe trillion trillion TB size Shocked ), normal blockchain concept isn't suit for that .You need a super bitcloud-chain
I Was thinking it could be a network of computers all connected via Blockchain.
legendary
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Keep it dense, yeah?
July 07, 2014, 01:56:22 AM
#42
consider how much data a human body could produce (maybe trillion trillion TB size Shocked ), normal blockchain concept isn't suit for that .You need a super bitcloud-chain

Yeah you're right about how much it can produce, but it would be a model, and therefore an estimation of the human mind. You would be storing the information gain, not the raw data itself.
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Evolution is the only way to survive
July 06, 2014, 09:00:15 PM
#41
consider how much data a human body could produce (maybe trillion trillion TB size Shocked ), normal blockchain concept isn't suit for that .You need a super bitcloud-chain
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July 06, 2014, 05:54:00 PM
#40
Technical and philosophical uncertainties aside, I don't thing a blockchain is a suitable medium for humanlike consciousness. A blockchain exists to lock down a state irrevocably, and state changes are encoded in new blocks referring to the old ones. If you think the Bitcoin blockchain is bloated. just try storing every neural operation in one... Besides, neural rewiring, malleability of memory etc. seem like pretty important parts of being a live person to me.

We'll just have to do with our memories of those lost for now.

Watch this. This guy is the CLOSEST IN THE WORLD to achieving Artificial Intelligence. And to me it seems like he is missing a block chain to make the computer more than a computer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG_nOddk01E

We may someday soon achieve strong AI, but it will always be artificial.

There will never be "spiritual machines" or true
consciousness/awareness in a computer.

Yup. Searle's paper was one of the first that I read when studying Artificial Intelligence. I don't believe that we will ever achieve Strong AI, but that doesn't mean that it isn't possible, just because I can't comprehend it.

Going back to the OP, I don't see how a blockchain would provide a suitable model for querying. There is a lot of work using neural networks, multi-layered perceptron etc for providing decisions based on information seen.

The real skill is how do you model the knowledge such that it has features which are comparable and there to be queried. You could build a rudimentary model, but the responses would be somewhat contrived. Also the best training when building such a model would include the person themselves, in addition to other people such as family, friends, co-workers etc.

Sorry to hear about your brother's passing btw, it's interesting that you are seeking ways to preserve his life. Sometimes memories are not enough.



The Block chain could process questions like transactions, and the hash rate would be the thinking speed of the AI. And people around the world could ask questions and join the network to help keep the bot alive.

Eventually it could even be a system of bots that all worked on one hive mind and there could be like teddy bears that answer questions for kids.

I am not trying to preserve him, I understand that his mind is gone. I preserve him in my own ways.
legendary
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Keep it dense, yeah?
July 06, 2014, 03:55:11 PM
#39
Technical and philosophical uncertainties aside, I don't thing a blockchain is a suitable medium for humanlike consciousness. A blockchain exists to lock down a state irrevocably, and state changes are encoded in new blocks referring to the old ones. If you think the Bitcoin blockchain is bloated. just try storing every neural operation in one... Besides, neural rewiring, malleability of memory etc. seem like pretty important parts of being a live person to me.

We'll just have to do with our memories of those lost for now.

Watch this. This guy is the CLOSEST IN THE WORLD to achieving Artificial Intelligence. And to me it seems like he is missing a block chain to make the computer more than a computer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG_nOddk01E

We may someday soon achieve strong AI, but it will always be artificial.

There will never be "spiritual machines" or true
consciousness/awareness in a computer.

Yup. Searle's paper was one of the first that I read when studying Artificial Intelligence. I don't believe that we will ever achieve Strong AI, but that doesn't mean that it isn't possible, just because I can't comprehend it.

Going back to the OP, I don't see how a blockchain would provide a suitable model for querying. There is a lot of work using neural networks, multi-layered perceptron etc for providing decisions based on information seen.

The real skill is how do you model the knowledge such that it has features which are comparable and there to be queried. You could build a rudimentary model, but the responses would be somewhat contrived. Also the best training when building such a model would include the person themselves, in addition to other people such as family, friends, co-workers etc.

Sorry to hear about your brother's passing btw, it's interesting that you are seeking ways to preserve his life. Sometimes memories are not enough.

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July 06, 2014, 03:39:15 PM
#38
The soul is the Shadow. "Swt" to the ancient Egyptians. It can be captured in a Silhouette, a Statue and probably a Picture/Video, they just didn't have those yet.

Then there is "Ren" the name of a thing, which is another concept of soul.

Then there is the Personality. "Ba"?
The Life Spark. "Ka"

Then there is the Heart, which circulates the blood and is another form of soul.
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July 06, 2014, 03:36:29 PM
#37
Not quite sure the blockchain would be the funnest place to have your mind trapped in
Maybe a MMORPG playing a game forever or three dimesnional reality but Jepoardy bot is the closet we have (Watson) in AI
But if a robot passes the Turing test then it can be seen as intelligent.

I am not saying that I have cracked the code or solved for x or anything, I am just saying that a Blockchain could probably hold a mind better than any hardware and software or ANY hierarchy of systems without a blockchain.

In that case I would say that seems right, that or store it in a DNA cell seems like the future
If it evolves transplant that data storage or mind into an organic construct
Basically creating intelligent life instead of a blockchain storage.
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/134672-harvard-cracks-dna-storage-crams-700-terabytes-of-data-into-a-single-gram

But it's hard to store a brain with ideas and thoughts maybe possible but not now.


Wait, so you think we will one day put 1s and 0s on DNA and that that will constitute artificial computer life?
legendary
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July 06, 2014, 12:09:46 PM
#36
One must follow their own intuition and path
to the truth

Just because we believe something that doesn't make it true.

Agreed.
legendary
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Hamster ate my bitcoin
July 06, 2014, 12:07:25 PM
#35
One must follow their own intuition and path
to the truth

Just because we believe something that doesn't make it true.
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