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Quote from: yogi on July 06, 2014, 11:42:29 AM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on July 06, 2014, 11:25:35 AM

Science and spirituality are two different realms. You cannot prove love, God, or spirit.
If your intuition doesn't tell you that science is not necessarily the ultimate truth,
then there is little I can do to convince you otherwise, and that is ok.

My intuition tells me that science is the only path to the truth. So where does that get us? Nowhere. Again this demonstrates the importance of evidence.

One must follow their own intuition and path
to the truth, and I respect your opinion.

My intuition tells me something different and
my experiential reality is the evidence of it.
There have been many prominent
scientists who also believed in God.

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on July 06, 2014, 11:25:35 AM

Science and spirituality are two different realms. You cannot prove love, God, or spirit.
If your intuition doesn't tell you that science is not necessarily the ultimate truth,
then there is little I can do to convince you otherwise, and that is ok.

My intuition tells me that science is the only path to the truth. So where does that get us? Nowhere. Again this demonstrates the importance of evidence.

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on July 06, 2014, 11:25:35 AM

although for entertainment purposes, I suggest you check out the movie
"what the bleep do we know?"

Yes, I've seen it. A lot of good science interspersed with pseudo-science inorder to mezmorize the gullible.

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Quote from: yogi on July 06, 2014, 11:20:18 AM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on July 06, 2014, 09:19:26 AM

I say souls do exist and that reality manifests itself on multiple
planes of existence simultaneously. For example,
love is real, but also may be expressed in the physical
domain by neurons firing in the brain.

Evidence is everything, without evidence all you have is opinion. There will always be someone with an opposite opinion to yours. The sum of all opinions is zero, rendering them utterly worthless.

Science and spirituality are two different realms. You cannot prove love, God, or spirit.
If your intuition doesn't tell you that science is not necessarily the ultimate truth,
then there is little I can do to convince you otherwise, and that is ok.

although for entertainment purposes, I suggest you check out the movie
"what the bleep do we know?"

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on July 06, 2014, 09:19:26 AM

I say souls do exist and that reality manifests itself on multiple
planes of existence simultaneously. For example,
love is real, but also may be expressed in the physical
domain by neurons firing in the brain.

Evidence is everything, without evidence all you have is opinion. There will always be someone with an opposite opinion to yours. The sum of all opinions is zero, rendering them utterly worthless.

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Possibilities of modern science are amazing so it seems fantastic only on the first sight

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Quote from: yogi on July 06, 2014, 08:50:01 AM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on July 05, 2014, 02:08:03 PM

But I would disagree, as I believe consciousness is primary and
does not originate from the physical domain.

Our 'minds', 'souls', 'spirit' and consciousness are all physical in nature. Thousands of years of research have shown that our brains comprise and produce our true selves. Souls and spirits do not exist. Our bodies run themselves. We know from cases of brain damage and the effects of psychoactive drugs, that our experiences are caused by physical chemistry acting on our physical neurones in our brains.

You're certainly entitled to that viewpoint,
and it could be considered the more "scientific" one.

I say souls do exist and that reality manifests itself on multiple
planes of existence simultaneously. For example,
love is real, but also may be expressed in the physical
domain by neurons firing in the brain.

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on July 05, 2014, 02:08:03 PM

But I would disagree, as I believe consciousness is primary and
does not originate from the physical domain.

Our 'minds', 'souls', 'spirit' and consciousness are all physical in nature. Thousands of years of research have shown that our brains comprise and produce our true selves. Souls and spirits do not exist. Our bodies run themselves. We know from cases of brain damage and the effects of psychoactive drugs, that our experiences are caused by physical chemistry acting on our physical neurones in our brains.

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Quote from: Bitcoin-hotep on July 05, 2014, 02:04:48 AM

My brother died a little over a year ago now, and his death made me wish that there was a way to have kept him alive digitally. I found a thread about putting a human consciousness on the block chain, but I can not find that thread anymore. So I thought I would make a new one.

What do you guys think about the possibility of a human consciousness being placed on a block chain?

First someone would have to create a block chain that could answer questions, as a model (and I have heard of people using block chains for file storage, so I do not see why that would be hard, and the Watson computer used Wikipedia to win Jeopardy.) Then once there was a block chain that could be mined for answers, then eventually someone could maybe find a way to imprint their actual human being into the block chain.

ECG and Transcranial Direct Current Stimulation are probably good things to look in to for this.

U could always "make a friend". But your "friend" died. Maybe u should just accept the fact that Jesus died for your sins so u don't HAVE to write a computer virus that emulates him

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Quote from: Bitcoin-hotep on July 05, 2014, 10:01:55 AM

Quote from: EternalWingsofGod on July 05, 2014, 03:04:29 AM

Not quite sure the blockchain would be the funnest place to have your mind trapped in
Maybe a MMORPG playing a game forever or three dimesnional reality but Jepoardy bot is the closet we have (Watson) in AI
But if a robot passes the Turing test then it can be seen as intelligent.

I am not saying that I have cracked the code or solved for x or anything, I am just saying that a Blockchain could probably hold a mind better than any hardware and software or ANY hierarchy of systems without a blockchain.

In that case I would say that seems right, that or store it in a DNA cell seems like the future
If it evolves transplant that data storage or mind into an organic construct
Basically creating intelligent life instead of a blockchain storage.
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/134672-harvard-cracks-dna-storage-crams-700-terabytes-of-data-into-a-single-gram

But it's hard to store a brain with ideas and thoughts maybe possible but not now.

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And we can now put people's DNA into 1s and 0s.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-future-of-3d-printing-the-creation-of-life-677912

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Quote from: Ron~Popeil on July 05, 2014, 02:15:49 PM

There is a possibility for this in the future. MRI resolution would be the key. If you can scan all of the synapses in a brain you might capture the personality. Building a machine with enough processing power to support an entire human personality is not as big of a technical issue but one you would have to consider as well. It is an intellectually intriguing idea, but would it be ethical to trap a human in a machine?

I think that if the person were in the machine, they would still be alive. It would probably be more like a clone, ready to be copied off the computer, but instead of putting it in a body, you put it on a blockchain.

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on July 05, 2014, 01:25:11 PM

Quote from: Bitcoin-hotep on July 05, 2014, 10:06:56 AM

Quote from: rebuilder on July 05, 2014, 06:22:10 AM

Technical and philosophical uncertainties aside, I don't thing a blockchain is a suitable medium for humanlike consciousness. A blockchain exists to lock down a state irrevocably, and state changes are encoded in new blocks referring to the old ones. If you think the Bitcoin blockchain is bloated. just try storing every neural operation in one... Besides, neural rewiring, malleability of memory etc. seem like pretty important parts of being a live person to me.

We'll just have to do with our memories of those lost for now.

Watch this. This guy is the CLOSEST IN THE WORLD to achieving Artificial Intelligence. And to me it seems like he is missing a block chain to make the computer more than a computer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG_nOddk01E

We may someday soon achieve strong AI, but it will always be artificial.

There will never be "spiritual machines" or true
consciousness/awareness in a computer.

But if we can achieve randomness within a hierarchy of systems that have extreme sensory input, we can get very close.

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There is a possibility for this in the future. MRI resolution would be the key. If you can scan all of the synapses in a brain you might capture the personality. Building a machine with enough processing power to support an entire human personality is not as big of a technical issue but one you would have to consider as well. It is an intellectually intriguing idea, but would it be ethical to trap a human in a machine?

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Quote from: yogi on July 05, 2014, 01:56:48 PM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on July 05, 2014, 01:25:11 PM

There will never be "spiritual machines" or true
consciousness/awareness in a computer.

How will physical reality be able to distinguish between machines created by evolution and machines created by man in a lab?

This depends on one's philosophical position.
If you are a material reductionist like Kurzweil, you would say it can't.

But I would disagree, as I believe consciousness is primary and
does not originate from the physical domain.

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on July 05, 2014, 01:25:11 PM

There will never be "spiritual machines" or true
consciousness/awareness in a computer.

How will physical reality be able to distinguish between machines created by evolution and machines created by man in a lab?

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Quote from: Bitcoin-hotep on July 05, 2014, 10:06:56 AM

Quote from: rebuilder on July 05, 2014, 06:22:10 AM

Technical and philosophical uncertainties aside, I don't thing a blockchain is a suitable medium for humanlike consciousness. A blockchain exists to lock down a state irrevocably, and state changes are encoded in new blocks referring to the old ones. If you think the Bitcoin blockchain is bloated. just try storing every neural operation in one... Besides, neural rewiring, malleability of memory etc. seem like pretty important parts of being a live person to me.

We'll just have to do with our memories of those lost for now.

Watch this. This guy is the CLOSEST IN THE WORLD to achieving Artificial Intelligence. And to me it seems like he is missing a block chain to make the computer more than a computer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG_nOddk01E

We may someday soon achieve strong AI, but it will always be artificial.

There will never be "spiritual machines" or true
consciousness/awareness in a computer.

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Quote from: franky1 on July 05, 2014, 11:31:28 AM

either way, stick with reality and documentaries, your weed filled mind and science fiction stories is not going to help bitcoin expand.. and makes your posts belong in off-topic or trashcan,,

you have no knowledge of estimates of data requirements to hold every thought, image, memory and logic rule that corresponds to a human mind.

you have no blockchain experience to make it possible to hold this data..

basically why would every bitcoin node on earth want to store your brother...

bitcoin is about everyone having a copy of a ledger/database/data. AI would work on a central datacenter, which had internet access to get information from the planet... NOT have millions of copies of a human on everyone computer..

AI reality would be stored centrally with access to the world.. it wont be decentralised

now please take your non bitcoin fantasies to a sci-fi forum, and stop trying to use this forum for your fantasies simply by finding the most limpest and weakest possible way to use the word bitcoin in your dream. in an attempt to make it tolerated to be posted here.

please cut down on the weed and when using this forum, try to stick to reality and actual things that would actually help bitcoin expand

LOL

Do you feel like you know me somehow?
Did me talking about making a town make you feel like we were close or something?

Even if you have seen a picture of me (many people have) what makes you think you can start saying what I do and do not know?

You are a sad troll. Please, get a life and make threads that WILL help bitcoin instead of pretending that shit talking a stranger (me) is doing anything progressive.

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either way, stick with reality and documentaries, your weed filled mind and science fiction stories is not going to help bitcoin expand.. and makes your posts belong in off-topic or trashcan,,

you have no knowledge of estimates of data requirements to hold every thought, image, memory and logic rule that corresponds to a human mind.

you have no blockchain experience to make it possible to hold this data..

basically why would every bitcoin node on earth want to store your brother...

bitcoin is about everyone having a copy of a ledger/database/data. AI would work on a central datacenter, which had internet access to get information from the planet... NOT have millions of copies of a human on everyone computer..

AI reality would be stored centrally with access to the world.. it wont be decentralised

now please take your non bitcoin fantasies to a sci-fi forum, and stop trying to use this forum for your fantasies simply by finding the most limpest and weakest possible way to use the word bitcoin in your dream. in an attempt to make it tolerated to be posted here.

please cut down on the weed and when using this forum, try to stick to reality and actual things that would actually help bitcoin expand

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And, thinking back on the concept I am pretty sure I read about a universal web of artificial intelligence in the 2nd Ender's Game book, called: Speaker for the Dead. Where Ender has an AI bluetooth that lives in the internet and can move between planets, and even discovers how to step outside of space and time.

So if anything, Transcendence copied THEM. I didn't copy transcendence. I have never even seen it.

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