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That's good news! I recall seeing a post from a Nxt Dev talking about how Qora's forging algorithm is nothing like Nxt's.  Besides, I did a little checking...

I'm fairly certain that Qora has been in development since 2011..

So the dev was telling us the truth all along.  Qora is a project that has been in development since 2011, way before Nxt's release.  

Interesting.

If that is the case, do you still think that QORA is BCNext?  Was he working on both projects, or is this just two different people?


A few days ago I decided to buy a bit of QORA, and I found out that there are literally ZERO ways to buy or sell it right now.  What is this madness?  Qora cannot be mined and it cannot be bought, there is literally no way for it to grow right now, because anyone like me who finds out about it and decides they want in cannot get any, in any way.  (And of course, I am sure there are people out there frustrated by the lack of exchanges who are wanting to dump as well?) 


I guess there is a good reason why this coin is so cheap.  In the past I have generally avoided all tiny coins like this, and restrict myself to the most promising alts, say, top 10 on CMC. 

If you guys can get poloniex working again or get on another exchange I might check it out again in the future.
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However, when the source went public, I did dig into the Qora and old Nxt code to verify whether or not Qora was a clone of Nxt.  One of the sections I analyzed was the address creation system.  It was almost identical to BTC, which is NOTHING like Nxt.


That's good news! I recall seeing a post from a Nxt Dev talking about how Qora's forging algorithm is nothing like Nxt's.  Besides, I did a little checking...

I'm fairly certain that Qora has been in development since 2011..

So the dev was telling us the truth all along.  Qora is a project that has been in development since 2011, way before Nxt's release.  

That's why I'd like the dev to know I'm grateful for all the sweat and hard work he put into creating a new system.  Thank you!  Grin

I'm here.  I'll be honest, I'm not sure what your talking about regarding service address reservations.  I've not looked into theSe transactions, so I can't help much.

don't worry about it.. I'm just glad you're here so I've got someone to share my ideas with.. (ie. Qora DarkNet)  Smiley
rlh
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I'm here.  I'll be honest, I'm not sure what your talking about regarding service address reservations.  I've not looked into theSe transactions, so I can't help much.

However, when the source went public, I did dig into the Qora and old Nxt code to verify whether or not Qora was a clone of Nxt.  One of the sections I analyzed was the address creation system.  It was almost identical to BTC, which is NOTHING like Nxt.
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Maybe others have already thought of it...

My secret Arbitrary Transaction app is Qora DarkNet

Bascially, I'll use transaction block to store website pages.. and I'll be using Qora's Name System as some sort of URL mechanism...

Plus, I will need to develop a special Block-viewing Web Browser for Qora...

After I get the basics done, I'll continue to extend Qora Darknet's capability and add more functions.

I've also got another idea for a Qora Messaging system..

So Stay tune  Wink
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If I had to venture a guess, I'd say it was because it was there.  Base58 is what Qora addresses are encoded in and the address creation system borrowed heavily from the Bitcoin address creation algo.

Why implement another base conversion mechanism when you already have one in your codebase, and other developers would also have in their codebase if they wrote their own client?

Right  Tongue Good point!  Grin

So I've got a question for you since you're here, rlh.

I'd like to create several applications based on Arbitrary Transaction, so I need to reserve a range of Service ID numbers, let's say 1 thru 5.

I don't think it's possible but I'm just checking - is there any way for me to restrict others from using my Service ID for their own personal use?

For instance, I want Service Port 1 for Qora Messaging, I don't want others to use it for other purpose.

Can I restrict it somehow? (Maybe I just make an announcement?)

PS: Before you leave, I wish to share my secret idea with you.. I'll post it here, please don't leave yet!
rlh
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Is there a particular reason for qora to pick base58 to encode message, you think?  Huh

If I had to venture a guess, I'd say it was because it was there.  Base58 is what Qora addresses are encoded in and the address creation system borrowed heavily from the Bitcoin address creation algo.

Why implement another base conversion mechanism when you already have one in your codebase, and other developers would also have in their codebase if they wrote their own client?
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Hi DeMap,

All my POST calls are working correctly right now.  Grin  I forgot the backslash in the parameters list.  Thanks for pointing that out!

You really made my day! Thank you!

I've got some creative ways to use Arbitrary Transaction. Hopefully, I'll be able to build some interesting stuff using Arbitrary Transaction & Qora's Name system (I'm going to keep my idea a secret for now so I can surprise you  Lips sealed).

I have a question.

Is there a particular reason for qora to pick base58 to encode message, you think?  Huh
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Why am I getting error code 400?  Cry Cry

Because
Code:
blocklimit=200
isn't JSON.

Try
Code:
String urlParameters = "{\"start\":\"6pHMBFif7jXFG654joT8GPaymau1fMtaxacRyqSrnAwQMQDvqRuLpHpfFyqX4gWVvj4pF1mwQhFgqWAvjVvPJUjmBZQvL751dM9cEcQBTaUcxtNLuWZCVUAtbnWN9f7FsLppHhkPbxwpoodL3UJYRGt3EZrG17mhv1RJbmq8j6rr7Mk\",\"blocklimit\":200}";


Thank you soooo soo sooo MUCH!!!  Grin Really appreciate your response!

I'm going to try it right now~!  Grin Cheesy
newbie
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Why am I getting error code 400?  Cry Cry

Because
Code:
blocklimit=200
isn't JSON.

Try
Code:
String urlParameters = "{\"start\":\"6pHMBFif7jXFG654joT8GPaymau1fMtaxacRyqSrnAwQMQDvqRuLpHpfFyqX4gWVvj4pF1mwQhFgqWAvjVvPJUjmBZQvL751dM9cEcQBTaUcxtNLuWZCVUAtbnWN9f7FsLppHhkPbxwpoodL3UJYRGt3EZrG17mhv1RJbmq8j6rr7Mk\",\"blocklimit\":200}";
legendary
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We have three important milestones ahead :

  • Full source code is going to be released
  • Automated Transactions will go live on Qora
  • Atomic Cross Chain Transfer will occur

I don't know the exact time of the above or even the exact order (except the fact that ACCT will perform after the release of the AT), so, due to that we cannot have at the moment a proper roadmap.But this will be seized on time.

Beyond these milestones, there are also other things that needed to be arranged.
I suggest that we should start looking at the documentation which is actually missing.
We do have the below :

Qora FAQ
Qora Assets
Qora API V13

I think we could start discussing and collaborating on the documentation i.e. what we need to have, what can be easily done etc. and start working on this.
Of course Wiki is missing but content is also missing and I believe is preferred to have the content ready for the Wiki and not the Wiki ready for the content.
We can use PiratePad for example to start collaborating on documentation.
Also, about the documentation, my opinion is to use (i.e. for the API and Tutorials) Markdown and especially MkDocs to convert text to HTML.Then the whole documentation can be hosted on Github and users can contribute to the documentation by making pull requests.This will achieve a better presentation of the whole documentation.Besides that, Github can be used to serve a Wiki as well.

As for the future development of Qora, I do believe that we should get focused more on the front end and kept the core as it is, from the moment that the forthcoming upgrades take's place.My thought is to keep the existing wallet as it is and deliver also to the public an alternative HTML based wallet that will be fully compatible with the API and will serve Qora in a more flexible front end.As I don't have further information on the existing wallet and I don't know how feasible is to serve HTML content from within (I guess that it is) that's why I had made that thought, to proceed with an alternate wallet.

Another thing that I would like to mention at the moment is about the governance and how open source communities govern themselves.
This is really crucial so I would like to drill it down to the basics by sharing with you the below useful links
Governance Models
Essential Tools For Running A Community-Led Project
If you don't have the time to read the above then please read this short article that describes The Eclipse Model.

Then, as a community, I believe that we need to establish something like the below.



But in order to have this established we do need activity from the members.
Of course there are other things that are needed to be discussed and established as well, like marketing activities, business development etc, but let's first set our first goals.


Yeaahh  Cool
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It's the same with my transactions/scan call too.  I also got a HTTP Response 400.  Why?  Cry

Code:
String urlParameters = "blocklimit=200";
byte[] postData       = urlParameters.getBytes(StandardCharsets.UTF_8);
int    postDataLength = postData.length;

try
{
            obj = new URL("http://127.0.0.1:9085/transactions/scan");
            con = (HttpURLConnection) obj.openConnection();
            con.setRequestMethod("POST");
            con.setRequestProperty("User-Agent", USER_AGENT);
            con.setRequestProperty( "charset", "utf-8");
            con.setRequestProperty( "Content-Length", Integer.toString( postDataLength ));
            DataOutputStream wr = new DataOutputStream(con.getOutputStream());
            wr.write( postData );
}

Why am I getting error code 400?  Cry Cry
full member
Activity: 229
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We have three important milestones ahead :

  • Full source code is going to be released
  • Automated Transactions will go live on Qora
  • Atomic Cross Chain Transfer will occur

I don't know the exact time of the above or even the exact order (except the fact that ACCT will perform after the release of the AT), so, due to that we cannot have at the moment a proper roadmap.But this will be seized on time.

Beyond these milestones, there are also other things that needed to be arranged.
I suggest that we should start looking at the documentation which is actually missing.
We do have the below :

Qora FAQ
Qora Assets
Qora API V13


Wow!! Great research!!  Grin  Good job, Vrontis!  Wink

After a quick glance, I noticed some problem --

You know the API guide is kind of outdated. It does not contain any info regarding the Asset transaction (no transaction type, no format, no API calls).  Did the dev update the guide with the latest info??  Maybe I missed it, I dont know.

So I was thinking -- maybe we can host a WIKI app at wiki.qora.org (I don't recall what software we used before), so everybody can create an account and contribute..

Secondly, I think merging the FAQ and API guide into a single document on wiki might be a good idea.

We can have an introductory client manual that introduce all the nuts & bolts of Qora client.. and another section that discusses the API in-depth...

Anyways, your roadmap is looking good!  Thanks for all the hard work put into the research.  Smiley
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Hi Qora fans,

I am having a problem and I need your help!

I'm trying to create a demo for Arbitrary Transaction, but when I sent a POST request to http://127.0.0.1:9085/arbitrarytransactions, I kept getting HTTP response code 400 (Status Code 400 = Bad Request).

Before I continue, I just wanna say that all my GET calls are working correctly, just POST calls I'm having trouble with.

Well, I'm pretty sure I did everything right.  I used an HTTPURLConnection, open the stream and write to it.

my parameter is formatted as such "creator=blahblah&data=blahblah&service=1&fee=1.0001" (My data is base58 encoded)...

Maybe I am just too tired and missed something. I'm gonna try again later.

I really want to be the first person to create a working Arbitrary Transaction demo.  Wink

Please tell me what I did wrong. Thanks! (and don't laugh if it's something silly!)  Grin

java.io.IOException: Server returned HTTP response code: 400 for URL: http://127.0.0.1:9085/arbitrarytransactions

I want to know why!!!!!!?HuhAngry Angry
sr. member
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Then, as a community, I believe that we need to establish something like the below.

But in order to have this established we do need activity from the members.

Of course there are other things that are needed to be discussed and established as well, like marketing activities, business development etc, but let's first set our first goals.


Agreed.
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I just want to throw this out there but... Should we consider a rebranding?  Almost as of this were a new coin?  I don't know if I'm on board but since this is the next stage of Qora's evolution and since the pool of followers is rather small, a rebranding could provide an image that things have changed and that the coin has turned a new leaf.

Thoughts?

I will say this, it sure worked for DuckNote (now DarkNote). 

I don't care either way, but personally do not feel it's necessary and it could possibly open a new can of worms we don't need opened ... but who knows.

There is plenty of interest in Qora as it is (trust me), but the people I've been speaking with simply want to see a solid dev in place. I tried to accommodate that perceived lack and was unsuccessful.

So, in my opinion from what I know that's going on outside this forum if someone qualified were to step up and announce they will fill the shoes of 'qora' as competently as they did ... there won't be any issues regarding adoption of the coin/platform under it's current name.

I feel that the name Qora is finally getting some recognition. And I base those feelings off of the numerous pm's I receive asking about Qora on other forums on which I participate. I made 'qora' aware of this, coincidentally right before they stopped posting here. But that appears to have just been bad timing. I wish things had happened a little sooner and perhaps we would not be in the boat we're currently in because there are plenty of investors wanting to get in on Qora at/near this price, so long as there is a solid foundation in place (a solid dev).

My view is that the driving force for most in this scene now is money. There are few "anti-system" people around any longer or they are far less vocal than the P&D crews or those just wanting to buy low/sell high. Since that's all most are really concerned about, perhaps that's what we should cater to (for a bit) and build the coin back up with that in mind. They want flashy websites, active social media feeds, regular updates and most importantly a dev that post publicly at least weekly. They don't care about the tech so much, but it doesn't hurt when they want to tell their friends about it so they can pump the price.

There are several coins that have solid tech backing them, but they have very little money backing them and they are falling behind (unfortunately) because money now drives the cryptocurrency scene for most, not tech. I would guess half the people here in this thread care not what new tech Qora adds, they want to know when the price will be @ 25 sats again, or will it go higher, how much higher ... that's the driving force for the majority IMHO. These individuals follow up questions are usually,  "so, you have voting?", or something similar. Price is always first.

I'm not knocking anyone for wanting more money. Times are hard for most now and things are only going to get worse. But, at some point you have to realize making a few extra $ off some coin is not going to solve the underlying problems of the world. The entire system needs to be changed and 'we the people' need to take 'the system' back for ourselves. If we do that, you won't have to worry about money any longer.

That's my 2 Qora (I have more don't worry).

[/ideological soapbox]




sr. member
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We have three important milestones ahead :

  • Full source code is going to be released
  • Automated Transactions will go live on Qora
  • Atomic Cross Chain Transfer will occur

I don't know the exact time of the above or even the exact order (except the fact that ACCT will perform after the release of the AT), so, due to that we cannot have at the moment a proper roadmap.But this will be seized on time.

Beyond these milestones, there are also other things that needed to be arranged.
I suggest that we should start looking at the documentation which is actually missing.
We do have the below :

Qora FAQ
Qora Assets
Qora API V13

I think we could start discussing and collaborating on the documentation i.e. what we need to have, what can be easily done etc. and start working on this.
Of course Wiki is missing but content is also missing and I believe is preferred to have the content ready for the Wiki and not the Wiki ready for the content.
We can use PiratePad for example to start collaborating on documentation.
Also, about the documentation, my opinion is to use (i.e. for the API and Tutorials) Markdown and especially MkDocs to convert text to HTML.Then the whole documentation can be hosted on Github and users can contribute to the documentation by making pull requests.This will achieve a better presentation of the whole documentation.Besides that, Github can be used to serve a Wiki as well.

As for the future development of Qora, I do believe that we should get focused more on the front end and kept the core as it is, from the moment that the forthcoming upgrades take's place.My thought is to keep the existing wallet as it is and deliver also to the public an alternative HTML based wallet that will be fully compatible with the API and will serve Qora in a more flexible front end.As I don't have further information on the existing wallet and I don't know how feasible is to serve HTML content from within (I guess that it is) that's why I had made that thought, to proceed with an alternate wallet.

Another thing that I would like to mention at the moment is about the governance and how open source communities govern themselves.
This is really crucial so I would like to drill it down to the basics by sharing with you the below useful links
Governance Models
Essential Tools For Running A Community-Led Project
If you don't have the time to read the above then please read this short article that describes The Eclipse Model.

Then, as a community, I believe that we need to establish something like the below.



But in order to have this established we do need activity from the members.
Of course there are other things that are needed to be discussed and established as well, like marketing activities, business development etc, but let's first set our first goals.
legendary
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Cannot wait the SuperFly wallet !!
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ello there !
Sorry for the silence. First of all, We have already paid Bitcrea for creating the new logo, However, he hasn't sent the logo as his funds got stuck in poloniex due to the wallet downtime. So the logo problem should be sorted out soon. Moving on to the Wiki, this is a great idea that we were thinking about, and it will be probably be launched along with the website at wiki.qora.org.

We are really planning a huge marketing push, but it will be wise to start that with the release of a new wallet as this will be more appealing for potential investors. We don't want to attract new potential investors who will probably turn away at the current state of affairs. First the new wallet, then, we get to work Wink
I really appreciate any suggestions from the community, so feel free to chat with me on Skype: Subscrib.es, I will respond ASAP Wink

Hi Ahmed!

Really nice to see you here!  Grin And thank you so much for the update.  Just want you to know that I really appreciate all the hard work you and Twistelaar put into creating a new identity for Qora.  Smiley  I totally understand the needs to raise more funds.  But with Polo & BTER's situation, a lot of us have got our Qora tied up (we can't even withdraw our Qora from there).  Sad  So I suggest we do another donation drive after Polo & Bter's problems are resolved.  Smiley

And I agree with you.  We should wait til the dev releases a new wallet before we continue with our marketing effort.  That's smart planning right there.  Grin

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We are really planning a huge marketing push, but it will be wise to start that with the release of a new wallet as this will be more appealing for potential investors. We don't want to attract new potential investors who will probably turn away at the current state of affairs. First the new wallet, then, we get to work Wink

Thanks for everything!  Wink

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