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June 04, 2014, 09:32:58 PM
#74

Interesting. Im sure there are potentially many reasons why Japan has failed to create inflation despite decades of QE. I assume the main reasons are an ageing population and / also a population of savers.

Or does it just say that QE does not work and that the deflation 'problem' is actually structural?




The best explanation comes from Richard Koo, chief Economist of Nomura and famous for his theory on "Balance Sheet Recession"


"During a usual monetary policy-driven market, money created by an accommodative central bank typically spreads throughout the economy and lifts markets. During a balance sheet recession, however, the private sector is a net saver, which means only the financial sector is flooded with funds that are generated by private sector saving and deleveraging"

Basically QE doesn't make inflation because the private sector is deleveraging so even though there is cheap money there are no borrowers

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/richard-koo-on-bubbles-in-a-balance-sheet-recession-2013-11#ixzz33ixdIvlh

Here's him giving a presentation on this idea.  Worth a watch if you are interested in economics.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMGUveWr7Fg

Exactly, even though the supply is abundant, it's not moving anywhere. 

It (increased money supply) may eventually lead to inflation but Japan is a real world example of a ballooning balance sheet with minimal inflation.  The US will likely follow a similar path. 
legendary
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June 04, 2014, 08:38:21 PM
#73
Velocity of money might be an element, but it's controversial. There are different opinions on it between neo-classics (that consider it constant or with small variations) and keynesians.
It's also necessary to take in account the difference between M1 (money created directly by the central bank) and M3 (global money assets, including money created by commercial banks).
In a credit crunch, with the money created by banks in decline, it's possible to increase hugely M1 without increasing M3. Therefore, no inflation happens.
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June 04, 2014, 08:32:29 PM
#72

Interesting. Im sure there are potentially many reasons why Japan has failed to create inflation despite decades of QE. I assume the main reasons are an ageing population and / also a population of savers.

Or does it just say that QE does not work and that the deflation 'problem' is actually structural?




The best explanation comes from Richard Koo, chief Economist of Nomura and famous for his theory on "Balance Sheet Recession"


"During a usual monetary policy-driven market, money created by an accommodative central bank typically spreads throughout the economy and lifts markets. During a balance sheet recession, however, the private sector is a net saver, which means only the financial sector is flooded with funds that are generated by private sector saving and deleveraging"

Basically QE doesn't make inflation because the private sector is deleveraging so even though there is cheap money there are no borrowers

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/richard-koo-on-bubbles-in-a-balance-sheet-recession-2013-11#ixzz33ixdIvlh

Here's him giving a presentation on this idea.  Worth a watch if you are interested in economics.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMGUveWr7Fg
legendary
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June 04, 2014, 08:13:58 PM
#71
I would call that selective quoting of a notion of inflation.

I meant no inflation after the QE, as anyone paying attention would conclude.

Go see the figures on real GDP grow.

I'm not going to lower myself to return your compliments. But next one, you are going directly to my ignore list.

QE is inflation by definition. The currency supply is inflated. This results on higher prices on goods and services.

Nope.  You're missing the full equation just like the other guy.  Look at Japan, same thing, zero interest rate policy, QE, it's been this way for over a decade.  Look at Japan's inflation:



Interesting. Im sure there are potentially many reasons why Japan has failed to create inflation despite decades of QE. I assume the main reasons are an ageing population and / also a population of savers.

Or does it just say that QE does not work and that the deflation 'problem' is actually structural?


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June 04, 2014, 07:23:53 PM
#70
I would call that selective quoting of a notion of inflation.

I meant no inflation after the QE, as anyone paying attention would conclude.

Go see the figures on real GDP grow.

I'm not going to lower myself to return your compliments. But next one, you are going directly to my ignore list.

QE is inflation by definition. The currency supply is inflated. This results on higher prices on goods and services.

Nope.  You're missing the full equation just like the other guy.  Look at Japan, same thing, zero interest rate policy, QE, it's been this way for over a decade.  Look at Japan's inflation:

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June 04, 2014, 07:17:42 PM
#69
You don't know what is inflation.

End of conversation from my side, write alone, couldn't care less.

funny i seem to be dead on target with what inflation is even citing the very definition of it.. but yeah... you're probably right... {sarcasm intended}

You probably have to go anyway and check in with Janet Yellen... she needs her lapdog...

You have part of the definition correct.  An increase in the money supply is part of the equation but the part you are missing is the velocity of money. 
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June 04, 2014, 05:47:24 PM
#68
I would call that selective quoting of a notion of inflation.

I meant no inflation after the QE, as anyone paying attention would conclude.

Go see the figures on real GDP grow.

I'm not going to lower myself to return your compliments. But next one, you are going directly to my ignore list.

QE is inflation by definition. The currency supply is inflated. This results on higher prices on goods and services.
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June 04, 2014, 01:20:30 PM
#67
You don't know what is inflation.

End of conversation from my side, write alone, couldn't care less.

funny i seem to be dead on target with what inflation is even citing the very definition of it.. but yeah... you're probably right... {sarcasm intended}

You probably have to go anyway and check in with Janet Yellen... she needs her lapdog...
legendary
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June 04, 2014, 01:16:34 PM
#66
"Trading" is a Federal Reserve schill.

We are all capable of seeing the world burning down around us
 

Was that an ad hominem argument? Very convincing.

You really see flames around you?

People have been claiming fire for more than a century, after the end of the golden pattern. But we are still here, much better than our grandfathers.


But soooo much worse off than our fathers.. If your gen x or y ne ways.. The gov during the time of the baby boomers spent with out hesitation and took out loans with out thinking twice because they could be pasesd to us.. Now we are doing the same thing, how far can that can be kicked?
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June 04, 2014, 12:40:07 PM
#65
You don't know what is inflation.

End of conversation from my side, write alone, couldn't care less.
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June 04, 2014, 12:36:21 PM
#64
I would call that selective quoting of a notion of inflation.

I meant no inflation after the QE, as anyone paying attention would conclude.

Go see the figures on real GDP grow.

I'm not going to lower myself to return your compliments. But next one, you are going directly to my ignore list.

Quantitative Easing IS inflation lest we forget;

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Quantitative easing (QE) is an unconventional monetary policy used by central banks to stimulate the economy when standard monetary policy has become ineffective.[1][2][3] A central bank implements quantitative easing by buying specified amounts of financial assets from commercial banks and other private institutions, thus raising the prices of those financial assets and lowering their yield, while simultaneously increasing the monetary base.[4][5] This is distinguished from the more usual policy of buying or selling short term government bonds in order to keep interbank interest rates at a specified target value.[6][7][8][9]

lets highlight this - "while simultaneously increasing the monetary base."

perhaps I should repeat this part for the slow people in the room... "while simultaneously increasing the monetary base."

now if you're truly smart enough you will take this as another compliment and mash your almighty ignore button.

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June 04, 2014, 12:27:46 PM
#63
I would call that selective quoting of a notion of inflation.

I meant no inflation after the QE, as anyone paying attention would conclude.

Go see the figures on real GDP grow.

I'm not going to lower myself to return your compliments. But next one, you are going directly to my ignore list.
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June 04, 2014, 11:46:24 AM
#62
Are you seriously retarded?

Increasing the money supply isn't inflation.
WRONG!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation
Anyway, it's an empirical verified fact: there were no inflation.

WRONG!


Since the introduction of the US Dollar in 1913 it has lost over 97.5% of its purchasing power. THIS IS INFLATION!

People have been claiming fire for more than a century, after the end of the golden pattern. But we are still here, much better than our grandfathers.

Better off than our grandfathers? Are you serious?

Check out the national debt since 1950... we aren't better off than our Fathers much less our Grandfathers!

In 1950 the national debt was about $257 Billion and today its $17,555,437,713,940 FUCKING TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS!



Trading, its an empirical fact that you're wrong, retarded and a schill. 
legendary
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June 04, 2014, 11:03:07 AM
#61
"Trading" is a Federal Reserve schill.

We are all capable of seeing the world burning down around us
 

Was that an ad hominem argument? Very convincing.

You really see flames around you?

People have been claiming fire for more than a century, after the end of the golden pattern. But we are still here, much better than our grandfathers.
legendary
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June 04, 2014, 10:53:50 AM
#60
Increasing the money supply isn't inflation. And since we have a credit crunch (and that is the problem!), there were no increase of the M3 (global monetary assets) only of the M1.

Anyway, it's an empirical verified fact: there were no inflation. People have being crying out inflation, debt vigilantes for years. Until know, nothing.
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June 04, 2014, 10:15:08 AM
#59
Everyone is devaluing their $...  :S  I for see bad things.
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June 04, 2014, 09:56:16 AM
#58
Now it's the hard part, because they really have to fine tuning.

If they limit QE too fast, they will hurt the economy. If they keep it as is, they will create inflation.


They are creating inflation.  Inflation of the money supply.  Price elevation WILL follow, it is inevitable.  Plus, once they stop, the stock market will correct.  Usually violently.  Love the Fed, don'tcha?

Wish they never would've started that QE stuff.  It's false prosperity. All our savings are being robbed.  Thank heaven for bitcoin.

"Trading" is a Federal Reserve schill.

We are all capable of seeing the world burning down around us yet we have some amongst us that are standing there saying "fire? what fire? i dont see any fire. what evidence do you have that there is a fire? in my professional expert opinion there is clearly no fire."

We can see the smoke and flames. My house that was there last week is a smouldering pile of charcoal. Apparently some of us need to get our asses burned before we can admit there is a raging inferno all around us.

 
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June 04, 2014, 09:26:20 AM
#57
Now it's the hard part, because they really have to fine tuning.

If they limit QE too fast, they will hurt the economy. If they keep it as is, they will create inflation.


They are creating inflation.  Inflation of the money supply.  Price elevation WILL follow, it is inevitable.  Plus, once they stop, the stock market will correct.  Usually violently.  Love the Fed, don'tcha?

Wish they never would've started that QE stuff.  It's false prosperity. All our savings are being robbed.  Thank heaven for bitcoin.
legendary
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June 04, 2014, 09:19:34 AM
#56
Now it's the hard part, because they really have to fine tuning.

If they limit QE too fast, they will hurt the economy. If they keep it as is, they will create inflation.
legendary
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June 04, 2014, 08:08:05 AM
#55
QE is like you are a runner you've just fallen and busted both your legs and instead of taking time off, healing and improving you use a couple rods and tape to fix your legs so you can put weight on them again but are no where near capable of actually running like you use too.. oh you'll keep going.. for awhile... 
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