Quickseller escrowing for himself - page 11.

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Quote from: tmfp on September 10, 2015, 05:03:31 AM

I didn't say it was a scam, I've said that I believe that it is a "big deal" when the supposed third party in a deal turns out to be the person you are dealing with.
Why do you find that a difficult viewpoint for someone to sincerely hold? Why does me thinking that make me a shitposting scammer in your eyes?

I'm sorry I wasn't specifically calling you a shitposting scammer. I do not think your posts are of poor quality nor do I know if you are a scammer or not.

The reason this issue is being discussed at length is because certain users/scammers here will do anything to get their much deserved negative trust removed and are throwing everything they can at the people on DT who are tagging them. QS for example has had many accusations fired against him over the past while from just a handful of people posting under multiple accounts. There are many accounts here I would like to tag but I fear doing so as I know what it will lead to - they will do the same against me, it's already somewhat. This is why I am upset about what is going on here, it undermines the trust system.

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Quote from: tmfp on September 10, 2015, 04:52:42 AM

When was it "the overall consensus was that self escrowing was no big deal"? In what place was this establised?

Right before the forum got full of all these shitposts by a bunch of scammers.

(I do escrow seomtimes but never for myself, however I do not see how self escrowing alone constitutes a scam. The scam happens when the escrow and buyer/seller collude, that can happen if they are the same person or not.)

I didn't say it was a scam, I've said that I believe that it is a "big deal" when the supposed third party in a deal turns out to be the person you are dealing with.
Why do you find that a difficult viewpoint for someone to sincerely hold? Why does me thinking that make me a shitposting scammer in your eyes?

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Quote from: tmfp on September 10, 2015, 04:52:42 AM

When was it "the overall consensus was that self escrowing was no big deal"? In what place was this establised?

Right before the forum got full of all these shitposts by a bunch of scammers.

(I do escrow seomtimes but never for myself, however I do not see how self escrowing alone constitutes a scam. The scam happens when the escrow and buyer/seller collude, that can happen if they are the same person or not.)

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Quote from: Quickseller on September 10, 2015, 04:42:17 AM

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Quote from: ABitNut on September 10, 2015, 04:31:46 AM

And I bet that if it was TSP that was caught self escrowing he would be deep in negative trust (quite possibly including one from QuickSeller) for that scammy behavior. He'd get hit harder than either QuickSeller or TomatoCage.

I don't think so considering that both TC and QS are of the opinion that self escrowing is not a scam. Unless they are hypocrites, though I have seen nothing to suggest they are.

Just a few posts ago...

Quote from: Tomatocage on September 09, 2015, 12:50:01 PM

...99.999% of the time setting up a fake "3rd" party escrow is clearly a scam.

He was talking about a situation in which resulted in money being sent to escrow and then the escrow running away with the money. This was not the case in this situation. Both at the time of the trade, and now, the other party was appearing to be happy with the trade.

It is more tending towards discouraging the practice than whether you actually did scam someone.

The reason for the negative trust was dishonesty, faking weird things, shady behavior and not following practices trusted people are expected to. Not because you scammed anyone.

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Quote from: Quickseller on September 10, 2015, 04:04:23 AM

It is certainly very concerning as to how many accounts I have suspected of being scammers (yet have no proof) have posted in this thread.

It is also unfortunate that as of when I had faked my ban, the overall consensus was that self escrowing was no big deal and that you should assume this is going to happen.....however once it was discovered that I was in fact Panthers (and was self escrowing), all the vultures moved in saying that this is such a horrible thing to do......

When was it "the overall consensus was that self escrowing was no big deal"? In what place was this establised?
The only people that I've read who think it's "no big deal" are you, TC (because roommate?) and TradeFortress.

Now, anyone who holds the incredibly-difficult-to-understand view that an escrow should be a third party, is implied by you to be a vulture and/or likely to be a scammer.
This complete inability you have to see the validity of any criticism of yourself, to accept that your behavior can possibly be seen as unacceptable by members of a community out of which you have made a lot of money, is the most important revelation in this drama.

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Quote from: ABitNut on September 10, 2015, 04:40:26 AM

Quote from: Wardrick on September 10, 2015, 04:34:26 AM

Quote from: ABitNut on September 10, 2015, 04:31:46 AM

And I bet that if it was TSP that was caught self escrowing he would be deep in negative trust (quite possibly including one from QuickSeller) for that scammy behavior. He'd get hit harder than either QuickSeller or TomatoCage.

I don't think so considering that both TC and QS are of the opinion that self escrowing is not a scam. Unless they are hypocrites, though I have seen nothing to suggest they are.

Just a few posts ago...

Quote from: Tomatocage on September 09, 2015, 12:50:01 PM

...99.999% of the time setting up a fake "3rd" party escrow is clearly a scam.

He was talking about a situation in which resulted in money being sent to escrow and then the escrow running away with the money. This was not the case in this situation. Both at the time of the trade, and now, the other party was appearing to be happy with the trade.

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Quote from: Wardrick on September 10, 2015, 04:34:26 AM

Quote from: ABitNut on September 10, 2015, 04:31:46 AM

And I bet that if it was TSP that was caught self escrowing he would be deep in negative trust (quite possibly including one from QuickSeller) for that scammy behavior. He'd get hit harder than either QuickSeller or TomatoCage.

I don't think so considering that both TC and QS are of the opinion that self escrowing is not a scam. Unless they are hypocrites, though I have seen nothing to suggest they are.

Just a few posts ago...

Quote from: Tomatocage on September 09, 2015, 12:50:01 PM

...99.999% of the time setting up a fake "3rd" party escrow is clearly a scam.

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Quote from: ABitNut on September 10, 2015, 04:31:46 AM

And I bet that if it was TSP that was caught self escrowing he would be deep in negative trust (quite possibly including one from QuickSeller) for that scammy behavior. He'd get hit harder than either QuickSeller or TomatoCage.

I don't think so considering that both TC and QS are of the opinion that self escrowing is not a scam. Unless they are hypocrites, though I have seen nothing to suggest they are.

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Quote from: Wardrick on September 10, 2015, 04:00:55 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on September 10, 2015, 03:19:10 AM

TC should come clean though. The evidence is clear cut they were the same person, and the overall community reaction is currently negative regarding self escrowing. (this is contrary to when I had faked my ban, as the overall reaction was either neutral, users were saying it was no big deal, or people were saying that you should assume this is the case).

I bet if it was TSP that was caught self escrowing then all of the shills would be claiming its completely fine to do that. There would likely be many threads full of posts from sock accounts attacking anyone who says otherwise and justifying his actions and this would continue for many months until he has convinced ll of the uninformed here.

And I bet that if it was TSP that was caught self escrowing he would be deep in negative trust (quite possibly including one from QuickSeller) for that scammy behavior. He'd get hit harder than either QuickSeller or TomatoCage.

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Quote from: Quickseller on September 10, 2015, 04:04:23 AM

Quote from: Wardrick on September 10, 2015, 04:00:55 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on September 10, 2015, 03:19:10 AM

TC should come clean though. The evidence is clear cut they were the same person, and the overall community reaction is currently negative regarding self escrowing. (this is contrary to when I had faked my ban, as the overall reaction was either neutral, users were saying it was no big deal, or people were saying that you should assume this is the case).

I bet if it was TSP that was caught self escrowing then all of the shills would be claiming its completely fine to do that.

It is hard to say for sure. It is certainly very concerning as to how many accounts I have suspected of being scammers (yet have no proof) have posted in this thread.

It is also unfortunate that as of when I had faked my ban, the overall consensus was that self escrowing was no big deal and that you should assume this is going to happen.....however once it was discovered that I was in fact Panthers (and was self escrowing), all the vultures moved in saying that this is such a horrible thing to do......

self-escrowing is lying if you dont tell the other party that you are the same person.
look it up in a dictionary..it says third-party. you cant simply redefine words to fit your actions better...

and: escrow and defaulttrust should be trustworthy. to me that means: they should not lie. if caught lying they are not trusted any more. is that really that hard to understand?

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Quote from: Wardrick on September 10, 2015, 04:00:55 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on September 10, 2015, 03:19:10 AM

TC should come clean though. The evidence is clear cut they were the same person, and the overall community reaction is currently negative regarding self escrowing. (this is contrary to when I had faked my ban, as the overall reaction was either neutral, users were saying it was no big deal, or people were saying that you should assume this is the case).

I bet if it was TSP that was caught self escrowing then all of the shills would be claiming its completely fine to do that.

It is hard to say for sure. It is certainly very concerning as to how many accounts I have suspected of being scammers (yet have no proof) have posted in this thread.

It is also unfortunate that as of when I had faked my ban, the overall consensus was that self escrowing was no big deal and that you should assume this is going to happen.....however once it was discovered that I was in fact Panthers (and was self escrowing), all the vultures moved in saying that this is such a horrible thing to do......

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Quote from: Quickseller on September 10, 2015, 03:19:10 AM

TC should come clean though. The evidence is clear cut they were the same person, and the overall community reaction is currently negative regarding self escrowing. (this is contrary to when I had faked my ban, as the overall reaction was either neutral, users were saying it was no big deal, or people were saying that you should assume this is the case).

I bet if it was TSP that was caught self escrowing then all of the shills would be claiming its completely fine to do that. There would likely be many threads full of posts from sock accounts attacking anyone who says otherwise and justifying his actions and this would continue for many months until he has convinced ll of the uninformed here.

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Quote from: Tomatocage on September 09, 2015, 06:32:41 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on September 09, 2015, 06:15:36 PM

I think "the same thing" was in reference to you escrowing for yourself. You did that, right? Why not use another escrow? Saving on fees?

No, and I can't blame some people for believing that it's my alt, but he really is a completely separate person

So what did you mean when you said that you were "busted" when you accidentally outed yourself here?

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Quote from: Reynaldo on February 04, 2015, 02:30:12 PM

If you accept neteller i could gather enough neteller funds to buy the whole 1.8btc

Sorry, can't do Neteller Sad

lol did you post from wrong account or something?

Dammit, busted

Anyway, still for sale Tongue

I read that as an admission that it was your alt, and figured that this jokey "it was a co-worker" story was only made up later when people seemed to start taking notice of the situation:

Quote from: Tomatocage on September 08, 2015, 07:16:59 PM

Well, Krispy really is an actual person, though I admit I probably (accidentally) posted from his account as much as he actually did. Dude is a co-worker who was having some bad luck, so I rented out my guest room to him. Those coins that I escrowed for mysel.. oops I mean Krispy really were his coins though. Very convenient explanation, right? I wish it made for a more exciting story, but that's pretty much all there was to it.

What next, QS comes up with a "Panthers is actually my little brother" story?

I did say this....or at least something to this affect. It was however meant to highlight the ridiculousness of some people actually believing his story.....even if you ignore the discrepancy that you pointed out. If the story was actually believed, then well.....nothing is going to help you.

TC should come clean though. The evidence is clear cut they were the same person, and the overall community reaction is currently negative regarding self escrowing. (this is contrary to when I had faked my ban, as the overall reaction was either neutral, users were saying it was no big deal, or people were saying that you should assume this is the case).

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Quote from: Tomatocage on September 09, 2015, 06:32:41 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on September 09, 2015, 06:15:36 PM

I think "the same thing" was in reference to you escrowing for yourself. You did that, right? Why not use another escrow? Saving on fees?

No, and I can't blame some people for believing that it's my alt, but he really is a completely separate person

So what did you mean when you said that you were "busted" when you accidentally outed yourself here?

Quote from: Tomatocage on February 04, 2015, 02:59:15 PM

Quote from: haploid23 on February 04, 2015, 02:57:04 PM

Quote from: Tomatocage on February 04, 2015, 02:40:22 PM

Quote from: Reynaldo on February 04, 2015, 02:30:12 PM

If you accept neteller i could gather enough neteller funds to buy the whole 1.8btc

Sorry, can't do Neteller Sad

lol did you post from wrong account or something?

Dammit, busted

Anyway, still for sale Tongue

I read that as an admission that it was your alt, and figured that this jokey "it was a co-worker" story was only made up later when people seemed to start taking notice of the situation:

Quote from: Tomatocage on September 08, 2015, 07:16:59 PM

Well, Krispy really is an actual person, though I admit I probably (accidentally) posted from his account as much as he actually did. Dude is a co-worker who was having some bad luck, so I rented out my guest room to him. Those coins that I escrowed for mysel.. oops I mean Krispy really were his coins though. Very convenient explanation, right? I wish it made for a more exciting story, but that's pretty much all there was to it.

What next, QS comes up with a "Panthers is actually my little brother" story?

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Quote from: Tomatocage on September 09, 2015, 06:32:41 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on September 09, 2015, 06:15:36 PM

I think "the same thing" was in reference to you escrowing for yourself. You did that, right? Why not use another escrow? Saving on fees?

No, and I can't blame some people for believing that it's my alt, but he really is a completely separate person (it was a kind of a roommate situation). The only thing I'm guilty of is posting from his account to get his coins sold because he was too busy raiding in WoW. Paraphrasing how it went down:

Me: Shouting down the hallway "Dude, I'm just going to post for you then."
Him: "Yeah, fine."

He funded escrow and the deal was completed. That's it. It was subject to all the same mechanics and procedures that I do for anybody else. I feel as if I asked a hot date to come over to watch Netflix and chill, when I really do just want to watch Netflix and chill Undecided

so does he deserve to gain positive trust even you made the deal yourself for his account? isnt it trust abuse?

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Quote from: monbux on September 09, 2015, 07:10:11 PM

I've been trying to keep up with this whole thing and just as a bystander it has been pretty overwhelming. This just proves ~~you should trust no one, especially online. There are flaws but it's really impossible to fix~~ that we should have our own reality T.V. show. With this kind of drama and action, we'll hit the top in no time!

Pretty surprising though, the turnaround! Tongue

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I've been trying to keep up with this whole thing and just as a bystander it has been pretty overwhelming. This just proves ~~you should trust no one, especially online. There are flaws but it's really impossible to fix~~ that we should have our own reality T.V. show. With this kind of drama and action, we'll hit the top in no time!

Pretty surprising though, the turnaround! Tongue

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Quote from: Tomatocage on September 09, 2015, 06:32:41 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on September 09, 2015, 06:15:36 PM

I think "the same thing" was in reference to you escrowing for yourself. You did that, right? Why not use another escrow? Saving on fees?

No, and I can't blame some people for believing that it's my alt, but he really is a completely separate person (it was a kind of a roommate situation). The only thing I'm guilty of is posting from his account to get his coins sold because he was too busy raiding in WoW. Paraphrasing how it went down:

Me: Shouting down the hallway "Dude, I'm just going to post for you then."
Him: "Yeah, fine."

He funded escrow and the deal was completed. That's it. It was subject to all the same mechanics and procedures that I do for anybody else. I feel as if I asked a hot date to come over to watch Netflix and chill, when I really do just want to watch Netflix and chill Undecided

Ah ok, I read that earlier in the thread and I guess I misunderstood what was going on.

I still think you should have advised your buddy to use a different escrow agent to avoid the conflict of interest. My understanding of an escrow - an independent third party. I do realize though that I have no way of knowing that with these forum escrows, unless they slip up like QS or yourself.

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Quote from: suchmoon on September 09, 2015, 06:15:36 PM

I think "the same thing" was in reference to you escrowing for yourself. You did that, right? Why not use another escrow? Saving on fees?

No, and I can't blame some people for believing that it's my alt, but he really is a completely separate person (it was a kind of a roommate situation). The only thing I'm guilty of is posting from his account to get his coins sold because he was too busy raiding in WoW. Paraphrasing how it went down:

Me: Shouting down the hallway "Dude, I'm just going to post for you then."
Him: "Yeah, fine."

He funded escrow and the deal was completed. That's it. It was subject to all the same mechanics and procedures that I do for anybody else. I feel as if I asked a hot date to come over to watch Netflix and chill, when I really do just want to watch Netflix and chill Undecided

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Someone trading using an alt and then escrowing with their main account will be viewed negatively and somewhat unethical and should warrant at least removal of green trust to neutral trust.

The thing is though with this story, the actual part that deserves red trust is that QS collected an escrow fee. Not only did he lie about escrow but to make the deal better for him he collected an escrow fee. That right there IMO was stealing.

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