Topic: Quickseller Gave me a negative trust Without Considering any possibility (Read 4600 times)

Quickseller, I am sure you read the reply on the top of the page, where I pointed out various things in your trust rating. Any reason , why aren't you replying on the thread regarding that ?

I think that was the plan, but then things got back to normal. IIRC it came down to "text can't be autotranslate/copypaste (Eliza & better chatbots are fine) & character count > 10, it counts.

I don't think there are any set rules tho, because 'soon as you have rules, someone alway finds a loophole & exploits it, so it's up to everybody to tell everybody what to maybe not do, but BadBear wields the banhammer.
Something like that, that's the way it was explained to me.

I think most sig campaigns don't count posts in Meta.

Yes. BadBear is busy. Be patient and keep posting, and eventually you'll nag him into replying  he'll ban you he'll hear your pleas.

In the meantime, each one of your posts counts towards your sig campaign, so even if he ignores you, you still win!
Always find the bright side, and look at it, see?
Now let's turn that frown upside-down!

It has been done.  Still waiting to hear back from BadBear, I assume he has bigger fish to fry.  I did make a thread about it,but it quickly degenerated into a mudslinging flame-war that wasn't helping anything productive.  QS doesn't back down and I wasn't going to cop to doing something that I didn't do.  Other mods have written back to me about it that essentially it's up to Badbear who he trusts.  I know I wouldn't want QS's rash reactions and flamethrowing rhetoric blamed on me, but we'll see what happens in the end.

Quickseller now that I am blocked on your PM here is a reply to your trust rating on me .


Now do you see at the end , that evrynet was an alt of Twipple ? Now I believed that Twipple messaged Ume that he will be using the alt evrynet to get back the account, and I expected Ume to not have deleted the PM along with other terms. If I had started the scam accusation before this message, then he would definitely have deleted it to remove any proof. I wanted to buy that account, to confirm the scam accusation before making any claims. Which is why I contacted him before through another account . And Surprisingly guess what , I didn't wait for his reply for the buying of the account. And rather posted it , once I knew he had seen my message.  
Is this really hard to understand ?  

I also opened the scam accusation after my message to him , and in your trust you claim the opposite" opened the scam accusation in order to put pressure on Ume to sell any account he had in his possession cheaply "

Lastly, you say
"put pressure on Ume to sell any account he had in his possession cheaply"

I paid 0.05 BTC for a Member account. That is not cheap. Rather people pay equal or less for the same kind of account. It was Ume's wish if he wanted to sell me the account. And even if I bought the account, despite it being me who opened the scam accusation, it does not mean I scammed someone.
Neither did I force him to sell it to me because of the scam accusation.

Maybe you can PM badbear and explain him the situation ,and make a thread and explain it in that. So if you are not at fault , then you can have it removed.

I was referring to the fact that QS is currently trusted by BadBear, who is a mod on default trust.  Therefore QS's ratings show up on anyone he decides to ding.  Because he's so nonchalant about using this power against anyone and everyone he's ever had a quarrel with, and he's absolutely remorseless about this MO, the only hope for those who were falsely accused is that he fall off the default trust list.  This can happen two ways: 1) Badbear removes him from his trust list 2) 2 or more people in DefaultTrust1 write "~Quickseller" in their trust lists (effectivly excluding him).

The reason I think it will happen eventually is tha I was falsely accused by Tradefortress nearly 3 years ago.  At the time, he tried to blackmail me to pay him back an arbitrary amount which he accused me of taking from him.  I wouldn't cave to his blackmail and false accusations and for a while, I had a warning on my account because of the feedback from TradeFortress.  However, history eventually vindicated me because TradeFortress revealed himself to be the kind of person he is and he now has one of the lowest trust ratings around (-500, approx).  He was removed from default trust.  Ironically, it's these false accusations from TradeFortress which Quickseller now considers to be his reasons for neg-repping me.  I'm pretty confident that, just like before, people who side with scammers and liars will eventually make mistakes and reveal themselves for who they are and be removed from default trust.  It happened with Tradefortress, why wouldn't it happen with Quickseller when he aligns himself with tradefortress so nonchalalantly?

Time will tell.

I agree thats the problem with him. Firstly one he starts a scam accusation, he is hardly seen replying back unless the person starts a thread about him.

As for the mods, it won't happen as there isn't a mod for scam accusations on the thread. People are considered to be responsible enough for their decisions to be safe from scams themselves.

Time will tell if you are right about whether or not he will be removed.  And it may be that he does some good "busting scams".  I only know that I saw him shouting at people and called him out for it then he began his smear-campaign against me.  As I said, I've never seen him back down or say he's sorry so I can't imagine it happening in your case (and, FWIW, I don't really know all the details of your case to begin with).  I mainly just see him intransigent and exploding every time someone says he's wrong and I know that's not the kind of person who should be trusted with authority.  I think the best we can hope for is that some of the other mods and people on default trust take a close look into how he interacts with people and decide whether they want him on their trust lists.

If he was to block me from his PM, then there is nothing else I can do except for just post here. As for trust I doubt it will happen, as he probably spots more scams than the wrong accusations he makes. And since he will never make any accusations towards the more trusted like you said, he will never be removed anyways .

Here's the deal: it's absolutely pointless to argue with him.  I've yet to see one example of a case where arguing the facts with quickseller led to him backing down.  It's his personality, he doesn't back down.  Once you've openly crossed him in public you are not going to get any respect from him unless he sees you as more powerful than him.  Those are literally the only people he shows any kind of humanity or deference towards.  Anyone else is SOL.  This is going to continue until the people above him recognize that allowing this guy to take a scorched earth policy with people who disagree with him is problematic.  However, because QS remains deferent to those above him, they don't actually experience the bullying, quicktempered, impossibly-arrogant side of him that the rest of us have to deal with.  Look at my case, he went after me with two different accounts leaving three negative feedbacks and we've literally never even traded or interacted beyond the fact that I called him out for his hot temper and had the audacity to argue with him in public.  He didn't need any evidence to do this to me, why would he need evidence for anything else he does?  This will last until someone above him corrects the situation by removing him from their trust list(s).

Here we go again. So from what you are saying it seems you are implying that I faked the sale. But here is the thing that will clarify your ignorance of the fact. You neg repped me due to the loan address Twipple requested the loan to. If I had to fake it, why would I be stupid enough to use some address related with the scammer ?

And I opened the scam accusation against Ume, because I thought he edited out the loan message, and I saw his own alts giving him trust, which I also reported. What exactly are you saying ? Ume was a FM then, so I am stupid to use a Member account, to trap my own FM account ?

Why is it appropriate to leave the trust , If I am not a scammer ?

And Why did you remove trust from Pagalwana, who had the same case as me, but just because you escrowed it, you removed it. Should I give you your 10 cents for the escrow ? ANd WIll you remove it then ?

Have you considered looking at the revised trust rating that I left him? I am no forensics expert, however it looks like pretty convincing proof to me

He doesn't need evidence.  He does this sort of thing as he feels.  He laid multiple negatives on me using alts and with zero evidence.  As the mods say, "the trust system isn't moderated".  Huh, what can you do?

Do you have any evidence to support those claims or is this just speculation? This sounds like a story one could make up from assumptions.

No. I have addressed your concerns about you not being an alt of tacoman71, although I do find it extremely suspicious that Ume just so happens to PM me within ~24 hours of you PM'ing me to have your negative trust removed and just so happens to post in this thread very shortly after you created this thread.

I have updated my negative trust to reflect that you created the scam accusation in order to buy the account for a lower then market price, effectively scamming the owner of the account of money that he reasonably could have received from a sale of the account under reasonable circumstances.

Bump . Quickseller care to reply in the thread ever ?

I would reiterate and re-state my argument and ask Quickseller to use his brains on this again.


The address that Twipple had posted, was the one which was used to take a loan, and soon after that defaulted on it, and was sold to me(new Twipple). Now Quickseller argues that all the loan stuff was to hide a scam or something or do dump the account ,
But here is the fact " IT WAS THE LOAN ADDRESS POSTED WHICH QUICKSELLER USED, TO ACCUSE THIS ACCOUNT OF BEING THE ALT OF THE SCAMMER" . But I have already said the fact, that since the amount moved out of the loan address 7 days after getting the loan. It clearly is part of an exchange or a gambling site. If Twipple didn't want that loan, why wouldn't he just request the loan to be cancelled for the loan to be given back. Basically, its stupidity , to take a small amount(only 0.03 BTC loan was taken) for such an account, and happen to post the address which is so INDIRECTLY related with a scammer's address.  


Why Can't a trusted member or Moderator consider any of the facts. Nothing adds up.

Thanks, Vod.  I appreciate it.

Lol, I love the god-like voice he uses.  I have spoken therefore->TRUE.

You have trolled me and tagged me with all kinds of lies (and using multiple accounts) but that doesn't make them true.  I have tagged you as a hothead with a god-complex.  Take note everyone, tspacepilot has spoken therefore->TRUE!