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Quote from: delfastTions on November 23, 2023, 03:25:19 AM

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Quote from: iv4n on November 21, 2023, 06:53:02 PM

We create problems for ourselves, it's not the casino's fault because we gamble. It would be nice if everyone was responsible, but that will never happen. I guess we can say that is impossible, there will always be people who will want more, stronger, and faster. That's probably true for most of us, and only when we make a mistake and get hurt we learn, that's just how it goes. And of course, there will always be people who never learn... and such people are eaten by addiction sooner or later. It's all up to us, either we learn something and try to be smarter and more responsible, or we let something destroy us.

I would expand your idea a little that the players themselves act as they see fit when they participate in gambling. I would like to note that only very experienced players are able to almost completely suppress theuir emotions from the game and this allows them to adhere to a strict logic of actions. But the majority of players are still not such professionals and they naturally play in a state of euphoria. And this, in turn, very often makes their moves in the game emotional and even stupid. In general, in general, I think that the majority of players are stupider when they play in this state. By the way, this allows them to lose more often, compared to players who are still able to maintain composure and logic of actions. But let’s be objective, this fact is an emotional tie in the game and allows casinos to be a little more profitable and the gambling business itself is thriving, partly due to the fact that millions of people are becoming stupid and losing their logic during the game.
But everyone gets unforgettable emotions and fun.

When you are still newbie then you would really be having that kind of impression that you are really that seeing yourself that could easily be able to win up gambling. You would really be making yourself having that kind of involvement and you would really be playing just because you do really believe that you could achieve something like this. On the time that you are already losing that much
then this is where you do make out realization that its never been that realistic or something not that possible. Gambling isnt bad as long you do make yourself on good control.
Several factors on which it do really make you that desperate and this is something that you should really be avoiding or trying out to avoid as much as possible.
If you do tolerate out these things then you are really that susceptible to failures.

I think that people learn patience and common sense in gambling in very different ways. And they also learn to find a balance between their emotions and the state of euphoria and the logic of actions in a gambling game. If a person who has become a player quickly learns to find such a balance in his psychological state, then this will further ensure that he will play and learn the maximum pleasure from the game.
If the process of finding balance takes a long time, then such a player may indeed become completely disillusioned with gambling and may either stop playing, or, alternatively, become a gambling addict who must be forcibly excommnunicated from gambling.

I think you are right, completely agree with, like we have discussed in another thread on this board or the gambling discussion board, many who came into gambling didn't do so on their own, majority started gambling because of the kind of money they saw another gambler win, or were told about it, and this made the person to decide to try out gambling since he or she will also like to win such an amount of money too.

And from my own personal experience, newbie gamblers are highly spirited, highly confident in believe that they would win, this pushes most of them to risking far more than they can afford to lose, it's only a matter of time, they will discover that winning in gambling is not as easy as they thought it was, and by this time, they come back to their sense that gambling aside being an activity that requires luck to profit, it also requires patients and open mindedness.

But this is if by this realization, such a person is not addicted yet, for the person who is addicted already, they may never come to this sense until help comes thier way.

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Quote from: iv4n on November 21, 2023, 06:53:02 PM

We create problems for ourselves, it's not the casino's fault because we gamble. It would be nice if everyone was responsible, but that will never happen. I guess we can say that is impossible, there will always be people who will want more, stronger, and faster. That's probably true for most of us, and only when we make a mistake and get hurt we learn, that's just how it goes. And of course, there will always be people who never learn... and such people are eaten by addiction sooner or later. It's all up to us, either we learn something and try to be smarter and more responsible, or we let something destroy us.

I would expand your idea a little that the players themselves act as they see fit when they participate in gambling. I would like to note that only very experienced players are able to almost completely suppress theuir emotions from the game and this allows them to adhere to a strict logic of actions. But the majority of players are still not such professionals and they naturally play in a state of euphoria. And this, in turn, very often makes their moves in the game emotional and even stupid. In general, in general, I think that the majority of players are stupider when they play in this state. By the way, this allows them to lose more often, compared to players who are still able to maintain composure and logic of actions. But let’s be objective, this fact is an emotional tie in the game and allows casinos to be a little more profitable and the gambling business itself is thriving, partly due to the fact that millions of people are becoming stupid and losing their logic during the game.
But everyone gets unforgettable emotions and fun.

When you are still newbie then you would really be having that kind of impression that you are really that seeing yourself that could easily be able to win up gambling. You would really be making yourself having that kind of involvement and you would really be playing just because you do really believe that you could achieve something like this. On the time that you are already losing that much
then this is where you do make out realization that its never been that realistic or something not that possible. Gambling isnt bad as long you do make yourself on good control.
Several factors on which it do really make you that desperate and this is something that you should really be avoiding or trying out to avoid as much as possible.
If you do tolerate out these things then you are really that susceptible to failures.

I think that people learn patience and common sense in gambling in very different ways. And they also learn to find a balance between their emotions and the state of euphoria and the logic of actions in a gambling game. If a person who has become a player quickly learns to find such a balance in his psychological state, then this will further ensure that he will play and learn the maximum pleasure from the game.
If the process of finding balance takes a long time, then such a player may indeed become completely disillusioned with gambling and may either stop playing, or, alternatively, become a gambling addict who must be forcibly excommnunicated from gambling.

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Quote from: kingvirtus09 on November 22, 2023, 06:10:38 PM

The other countries strictly implement the rule that they do not allow a minor to enter a casino, whether it is an online or land-based casino. I also don't see anything wrong with this step they are taking.

And this kind of implementation that a country is doing is really good because it only shows a real concern for minors, and it is good to see it being implemented in all countries that are legitimately allowed to operate gambling in each country, if that is where it stands.

Under age gambling is what both online and offline casinos don't joke with and some times why the government are so strict on gambling licensing os because of the KYC implementation which will help to expose any possible under-age registration and from the document verification you will be sure to be able to cash up with any of such possibility of underage.

The cosino have the sole right to request for verification from the gambler anytime they feels that the gambler may be an under age and since government laws already cover that aspect is much essential for casinos to comply with that law at all time to avoid sanctioning.

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Quote from: Wiwo on November 19, 2023, 03:52:02 AM

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You see, people don't know many things, they believe everything can be done the way anyone likes it, but it's not always so. In a sane world, there are rules and everyone has their quote to contribute, or else things would go out of control. Talking about the house's responsibility in this context, in some countries, you would not be able to operate a casino without fully registering and being regulated, and if you do all these, you have to obey the rules as operators. One of the rules is for you to have the welfare of your customers at heart, particularly those who could be going through financial and addiction challenges. As much as the house would not know everyone personally to build relationships with them to know the problem to ship in their advice and recommendations, they are mandated to have the "Self-exclusion" feature on their website.

This applies to land-based casinos too, and it's just like signing an agreement that such a person will not visit their casino for a certain period due to a specific reason. However, I've read a series of cases that casinos do not obey as they allow such people to cancel the feature and start gambling again. But the government should not hear such as it's a very serious offence in some countries like the UK as it's a layer to force the house to take responsibility too.

Well, this may sound very easy in words but not in practice, because at some point, you still have to know that even though those casinos that are registered are mandated to follow regulatory guidelines for their operations and players' welfare, but even at that, there still will focus more on the revenue for the operation so for such it becomes obviously clear that not all the restriction rules will be followed by the casino and that have been the major issues as regards to casinos taking the responsibility to control their client's gambling behaviour.

The highest that they can do is to set an age limit which has already been set to 18+ or better still have a self-exclusion feature, but anything outside these two, the casino sees it as a drawback for their profit since they are in the business for the profits.

The other countries strictly implement the rule that they do not allow a minor to enter a casino, whether it is an online or land-based casino. I also don't see anything wrong with this step they are taking.

And this kind of implementation that a country is doing is really good because it only shows a real concern for minors, and it is good to see it being implemented in all countries that are legitimately allowed to operate gambling in each country, if that is where it stands.

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Quote from: Josefjix on November 21, 2023, 01:30:13 PM

Quote from: Dunamisx on November 20, 2023, 07:37:57 PM

How can the casinos get rid of the addiction in gambling, those addicted gamblers are making them make money at the cause because they never gets tired of gambling and also spent their last money on gambling each time, gambling is very wide that it cannot be moderated as you're talking, even the government cannot do that nit to talk of the casinos, are they the ones to still carter for how we live our lives as well outside gambling.

The Government have nothing to comment about when it has to do with gambling, it's already the decisions made by the gamblers and they're free to do anything. Profits or losses, money must be made, that's exactly what comes to the mind of addicted gamblers in the system. They don't care about anything other than themselves and they will be the number one to place wagers on games because theye in for the profits. Casino have no business when it comes to gambling addicts, rather they're open to generating profits when gamblers loses from games.

You're right, neither the casinos or the gover themese are willing to help in certain situations whereby a gambler needs help and couldn't see any, that is why we are to be very mindful of how we gamble, no one can help us like the way we can first help ourselves because they also are in need of help and we are not the only one in need of these, gambling must therefore be played to enjoy with all integrity and we should make sure that everything we do are not what will lead to having a problem in the way we gamble later in the future.

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Quote from: delfastTions on November 22, 2023, 03:54:31 AM

Quote from: iv4n on November 21, 2023, 06:53:02 PM

We create problems for ourselves, it's not the casino's fault because we gamble. It would be nice if everyone was responsible, but that will never happen. I guess we can say that is impossible, there will always be people who will want more, stronger, and faster. That's probably true for most of us, and only when we make a mistake and get hurt we learn, that's just how it goes. And of course, there will always be people who never learn... and such people are eaten by addiction sooner or later. It's all up to us, either we learn something and try to be smarter and more responsible, or we let something destroy us.

I would expand your idea a little that the players themselves act as they see fit when they participate in gambling. I would like to note that only very experienced players are able to almost completely suppress theuir emotions from the game and this allows them to adhere to a strict logic of actions. But the majority of players are still not such professionals and they naturally play in a state of euphoria. And this, in turn, very often makes their moves in the game emotional and even stupid. In general, in general, I think that the majority of players are stupider when they play in this state. By the way, this allows them to lose more often, compared to players who are still able to maintain composure and logic of actions. But let’s be objective, this fact is an emotional tie in the game and allows casinos to be a little more profitable and the gambling business itself is thriving, partly due to the fact that millions of people are becoming stupid and losing their logic during the game.
But everyone gets unforgettable emotions and fun.

When you are still newbie then you would really be having that kind of impression that you are really that seeing yourself that could easily be able to win up gambling. You would really be making yourself having that kind of involvement and you would really be playing just because you do really believe that you could achieve something like this. On the time that you are already losing that much
then this is where you do make out realization that its never been that realistic or something not that possible. Gambling isnt bad as long you do make yourself on good control.
Several factors on which it do really make you that desperate and this is something that you should really be avoiding or trying out to avoid as much as possible.
If you do tolerate out these things then you are really that susceptible to failures.

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Quote from: iv4n on November 21, 2023, 06:53:02 PM

We create problems for ourselves, it's not the casino's fault because we gamble. It would be nice if everyone was responsible, but that will never happen. I guess we can say that is impossible, there will always be people who will want more, stronger, and faster. That's probably true for most of us, and only when we make a mistake and get hurt we learn, that's just how it goes. And of course, there will always be people who never learn... and such people are eaten by addiction sooner or later. It's all up to us, either we learn something and try to be smarter and more responsible, or we let something destroy us.

I would expand your idea a little that the players themselves act as they see fit when they participate in gambling. I would like to note that only very experienced players are able to almost completely suppress theuir emotions from the game and this allows them to adhere to a strict logic of actions. But the majority of players are still not such professionals and they naturally play in a state of euphoria. And this, in turn, very often makes their moves in the game emotional and even stupid. In general, in general, I think that the majority of players are stupider when they play in this state. By the way, this allows them to lose more often, compared to players who are still able to maintain composure and logic of actions. But let’s be objective, this fact is an emotional tie in the game and allows casinos to be a little more profitable and the gambling business itself is thriving, partly due to the fact that millions of people are becoming stupid and losing their logic during the game.
But everyone gets unforgettable emotions and fun.

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Quote from: Wiwo on November 19, 2023, 03:52:02 AM

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The highest that they can do is to set an age limit which has already been set to 18+ or better still have a self-exclusion feature, but anything outside these two, the casino sees it as a drawback for their profit since they are in the business for the profits.

I think it would be better for casinos too if there were no gambling addicts. If everyone was gambling responsibly, the negative connotation surrounding gambling would disappear and without it online casinos would surely get more customers in the end. After all, their aim is to make profit, not to create problems for people.

We create problems for ourselves, it's not the casino's fault because we gamble. It would be nice if everyone was responsible, but that will never happen. I guess we can say that is impossible, there will always be people who will want more, stronger, and faster. That's probably true for most of us, and only when we make a mistake and get hurt we learn, that's just how it goes. And of course, there will always be people who never learn... and such people are eaten by addiction sooner or later. It's all up to us, either we learn something and try to be smarter and more responsible, or we let something destroy us.

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Quote from: Betwrong on November 19, 2023, 04:16:35 AM

Quote from: Wiwo on November 19, 2023, 03:52:02 AM

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The highest that they can do is to set an age limit which has already been set to 18+ or better still have a self-exclusion feature, but anything outside these two, the casino sees it as a drawback for their profit since they are in the business for the profits.

I think it would be better for casinos too if there were no gambling addicts. If everyone was gambling responsibly, the negative connotation surrounding gambling would disappear and without it online casinos would surely get more customers in the end. After all, their aim is to make profit, not to create problems for people.

You are very correct on the possibility of wipping out negative perceptions of the gambling market if there be no gambling addicts and the government in some places will begin to see gambling as a harmless activity and the ban and restrictions in some cases will be eliminated, but the thing is that, will that ever happen, will gamblers start taking responsibility and not allowing themselves to slide into uncontrollable addictions in the first place?

This are the question we need to answer or create a poll for to ascertaining the level of readiness from the part of the gamblers to fight against that evil hold of addictions, both the casino and the gamblers will be better off for this on the long run since most at time, many of the cases of gambling addicted are blamed on the casino most especially in the cases of those addicts that have tried using the self exclusion feature a number of time before sliding back to the same casinos again to continue under the influence of high addicts.

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Quote from: Betwrong on November 19, 2023, 04:16:35 AM

Quote from: Wiwo on November 19, 2023, 03:52:02 AM

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The highest that they can do is to set an age limit which has already been set to 18+ or better still have a self-exclusion feature, but anything outside these two, the casino sees it as a drawback for their profit since they are in the business for the profits.

I think it would be better for casinos too if there were no gambling addicts. If everyone was gambling responsibly, the negative connotation surrounding gambling would disappear and without it online casinos would surely get more customers in the end. After all, their aim is to make profit, not to create problems for people.

on the contrary it won't be for the betterment of casinos and betting sites if there are not gambling addicts, a lot of casinos will fade out of the market if we all have responsible gamblers gambling responsibly. It is like a responsible smoker who only chose to smoke a single stick of cigarette a day calculate in a month is 30 sticks, whereby a chain smoker finishes a packet of cigarettes a day, times it to 30 days. Between the two individuals who's bringing much profit to the company in a month? I believe you best know the answer. Casinos knows too well that without gamblers getting addicted to the game's they won't spend more on it gambling that's why they make sure to improvise every means to give us games with addictive characters and features to keep business rolling.

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Quote from: Josefjix on November 21, 2023, 01:30:13 PM

Quote from: Dunamisx on November 20, 2023, 07:37:57 PM

How can the casinos get rid of the addiction in gambling, those addicted gamblers are making them make money at the cause because they never gets tired of gambling and also spent their last money on gambling each time, gambling is very wide that it cannot be moderated as you're talking, even the government cannot do that nit to talk of the casinos, are they the ones to still carter for how we live our lives as well outside gambling.

The Government have nothing to comment about when it has to do with gambling, it's already the decisions made by the gamblers and they're free to do anything. Profits or losses, money must be made, that's exactly what comes to the mind of addicted gamblers in the system. They don't care about anything other than themselves and they will be the number one to place wagers on games because theye in for the profits. Casino have no business when it comes to gambling addicts, rather they're open to generating profits when gamblers loses from games.

If something like this is not coming, are we not going to get controlled of the way how we make our gambling lifestyle, the moment we begin to believe in everything that we see its good for our own self even though they are apperati that way but not as we had thought they were, let every gambler take hold of himself and make sure that they have the very best out from the way they gamble right from the use of the gambling platforms and the games selections they made all for their own good and not waiting to be corrected to do the needful.

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Quote from: Josefjix on November 21, 2023, 01:30:13 PM

Quote from: Dunamisx on November 20, 2023, 07:37:57 PM

How can the casinos get rid of the addiction in gambling, those addicted gamblers are making them make money at the cause because they never gets tired of gambling and also spent their last money on gambling each time, gambling is very wide that it cannot be moderated as you're talking, even the government cannot do that nit to talk of the casinos, are they the ones to still carter for how we live our lives as well outside gambling.

The Government have nothing to comment about when it has to do with gambling, it's already the decisions made by the gamblers and they're free to do anything. Profits or losses, money must be made, that's exactly what comes to the mind of addicted gamblers in the system. They don't care about anything other than themselves and they will be the number one to place wagers on games because theye in for the profits. Casino have no business when it comes to gambling addicts, rather they're open to generating profits when gamblers loses from games.

People who are addicted to gambling do not care that they will lose gambling they think that they will win and cover the loss by going to the next step of gambling. Thus they lose a lot of money which helps a casino site generate a lot of revenue. Especially with gambling addicts, gambling platform business is run like this. However, it is very difficult to attract such panic gamblers to gambling sites and keep them there for a long time. Gambling addiction requires self-control and teaching yourself to understand that gambling is a bad thing

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Quote from: Dunamisx on November 20, 2023, 07:37:57 PM

How can the casinos get rid of the addiction in gambling, those addicted gamblers are making them make money at the cause because they never gets tired of gambling and also spent their last money on gambling each time, gambling is very wide that it cannot be moderated as you're talking, even the government cannot do that nit to talk of the casinos, are they the ones to still carter for how we live our lives as well outside gambling.

The Government have nothing to comment about when it has to do with gambling, it's already the decisions made by the gamblers and they're free to do anything. Profits or losses, money must be made, that's exactly what comes to the mind of addicted gamblers in the system. They don't care about anything other than themselves and they will be the number one to place wagers on games because theye in for the profits. Casino have no business when it comes to gambling addicts, rather they're open to generating profits when gamblers loses from games.

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Quote from: Betwrong on November 19, 2023, 04:16:35 AM

I think it would be better for casinos too if there were no gambling addicts. If everyone was gambling responsibly, the negative connotation surrounding gambling would disappear and without it online casinos would surely get more customers in the end. After all, their aim is to make profit, not to create problems for people.

How can the casinos get rid of the addiction in gambling, those addicted gamblers are making them make money at the cause because they never gets tired of gambling and also spent their last money on gambling each time, gambling is very wide that it cannot be moderated as you're talking, even the government cannot do that nit to talk of the casinos, are they the ones to still carter for how we live our lives as well outside gambling.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on November 19, 2023, 08:41:37 AM

So, if you consider this, you will realize that it is still the same, it's like running around in circles, what would have been if there was no addiction is what that is currently is, because there was and is never a time there wouldn't have been addiction in gambling.

You're right. @Betwrong is being idealistic in this case expecting stuff which will never happen because humans are inherently greedy and that is why gambling addiction will never fully go away.

However, it can be minimised to a certain extent which is exactly what op is trying to do through his project.

Come in mind that if there were no gambling addiction then gambling industry wont really be that become so big or something that not making that much revenue on which this is something
turns out to be a typical thing or a solid indication that addiction is always been that part of industry. There might be some people who do able to control their addiction or motive towards gambling but there would be always those people who get addicted into it on which it would really be that resulting into that huge spending into it on which it would be coming into a point
that you are really that losing that much.

Guides and tips on how to treat up addiction could really be found online or even making use of these free services or whatsoever but still in the end,
it would really be that totally depending on how they would really be dealing up with things and make out decisions on their own.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on November 19, 2023, 08:41:37 AM

So, if you consider this, you will realize that it is still the same, it's like running around in circles, what would have been if there was no addiction is what that is currently is, because there was and is never a time there wouldn't have been addiction in gambling.

You're right. @Betwrong is being idealistic in this case expecting stuff which will never happen because humans are inherently greedy and that is why gambling addiction will never fully go away.

However, it can be minimised to a certain extent which is exactly what op is trying to do through his project.

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Quote from: Betwrong on November 19, 2023, 04:16:35 AM

Quote from: Wiwo on November 19, 2023, 03:52:02 AM

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The highest that they can do is to set an age limit which has already been set to 18+ or better still have a self-exclusion feature, but anything outside these two, the casino sees it as a drawback for their profit since they are in the business for the profits.

I think it would be better for casinos too if there were no gambling addicts. If everyone was gambling responsibly, the negative connotation surrounding gambling would disappear and without it online casinos would surely get more customers in the end. After all, their aim is to make profit, not to create problems for people.

Well, this is not to sound pessimistic but there would have never, and there will never be such a thing as no gambling addicts,, as long as its humans playing gambling, there will always be abuse, and abuse the major thing that gave or gives birth to addiction.

If there were really no gambling addicts, sure there would have been alot of people giving attention to gambling which simply means that gambling casinos would have had more customers.

But also understand that, the more the number of people in gambling, the more chances that there would be a good number of abusers, and gambling abuse is one of those things that leads to gambling addiction.

So, if you consider this, you will realize that it is still the same, it's like running around in circles, what would have been if there was no addiction is what that is currently is, because there was and is never a time there wouldn't have been addiction in gambling.

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Quote from: Betwrong on November 19, 2023, 04:16:35 AM

Quote from: Wiwo on November 19, 2023, 03:52:02 AM

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The highest that they can do is to set an age limit which has already been set to 18+ or better still have a self-exclusion feature, but anything outside these two, the casino sees it as a drawback for their profit since they are in the business for the profits.

I think it would be better for casinos too if there were no gambling addicts. If everyone was gambling responsibly, the negative connotation surrounding gambling would disappear and without it online casinos would surely get more customers in the end. After all, their aim is to make profit, not to create problems for people.

Unfortunately, the feeling of gambling is what they make addicted, in addition, casinos invest in research and development about how to put more players getting sucked into the game. I think it would be too ignorant to expect people to just gamble responsibly, where in fact, the thing they play is addictive. Not all people have great self-control toward themselves from external influences.

So I believe the OP initiative is what solves and fixes those who need help, outside of casino control to enforce their gambling responsibility policy, such as limiting or restricting users from playing.

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Quote from: Wiwo on November 19, 2023, 03:52:02 AM

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The highest that they can do is to set an age limit which has already been set to 18+ or better still have a self-exclusion feature, but anything outside these two, the casino sees it as a drawback for their profit since they are in the business for the profits.

I think it would be better for casinos too if there were no gambling addicts. If everyone was gambling responsibly, the negative connotation surrounding gambling would disappear and without it online casinos would surely get more customers in the end. After all, their aim is to make profit, not to create problems for people.

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