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hero member
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June 13, 2012, 01:54:01 PM
... or European bitcoiners fleeing their euro inflation - that might stick.

Looks like it, although that would be exceedingly stupid. The Euro is relatively stable now. There was a time when it was about to implode - incidentally precisely at the time when Bitcoin was at it's low point last October or so.

I doubt it's worries over sudden currency collapse (which is unlikely given the sheer economic mass that is Europe), that will happen more slowly.

What they are more likely (sensibly, not stupidly) worried about is capital controls.  If I were Greek facing the possibility of 100% of my savings being locked up, I think conversion to bitcoin and the subsequent risk would be worth taking.

Take me; I'm in Denmark and our currency went way up when Greece started crashing - but THEN our national bank sold loads of our currency in order to peg us to the dropping euro.

I was basically robbed. I may not hold a bunch of money, but maybe someone with more thought like me.

Euro collapse of course will not happen, just slow theft.

People call BTC insecure, but its pure math. It doesn't matter how little faith the market have in them, how politicians want to stabilize things or what happens; its just THERE.

Your wallet will never default or close your account.

Unless you have a secret spot to bury your physical gold bitcoin is even safer than that as gold has been confiscated before.

When Greece, Italy and Spain defaults what IS safe?

I only wonder who accepts fiat for their BTC at such low rates as we have today.
donator
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June 13, 2012, 01:28:20 PM
Awesome, the rally seems to be slowing down, the $6 wall tripled over the last 3 hours.

I'm sure we'll see it grow into the 30,000+ size in the coming days.  I don't see the price moving beyond $6 for some time, and I still think there's a good chance we've already seen the 2012 high.

have you been dancing with the bears again?
legendary
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June 13, 2012, 12:33:49 PM


Yup, pack it in folks... the rocket crashed...  Roll Eyes
legendary
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June 13, 2012, 12:31:16 PM
legendary
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June 13, 2012, 12:28:38 PM
Awesome, the rally seems to be slowing down, the $6 wall tripled over the last 3 hours.

I'm sure we'll see it grow into the 30,000+ size in the coming days.  I don't see the price moving beyond $6 for some time, and I still think there's a good chance we've already seen the 2012 high.
legendary
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June 13, 2012, 12:25:47 PM
Awesome, the rally seems to be slowing down, the $6 wall tripled over the last 3 hours.
legendary
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diamond-handed zealot
June 13, 2012, 12:22:31 PM
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June 13, 2012, 11:58:57 AM
The economy isn't broken. It doesn't need "fixing". This is exactly its intended condition. Money isn't real. Interest and debt are not real. Our whole economy has been set up to steal.

Awesome quote!
For those who are wondering where it's from:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELEwjVRxxGE
at 2:53 but better watch the whole thing, it's precious!

By the way those guys accept bitcoin donations at:
http://thejuicemedia.com/donate/
legendary
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diamond-handed zealot
June 13, 2012, 11:53:34 AM
The economy isn't broken. It doesn't need "fixing". This is exactly its intended condition. Money isn't real. Interest and debt are not real. Our whole economy has been set up to steal.

You are, like, a poet man
legendary
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June 13, 2012, 11:40:30 AM
Owch $5.81, someone just sold like 10k btc?

to be expected

It's a good thing.  The last thing we want is this getting out of control.  I won't be surprised to see selling down to $5.50, and even lower.  I don't think $6 is going down as easily as everyone else.
donator
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June 13, 2012, 11:06:03 AM
Owch $5.81, someone just sold like 10k btc?

to be expected
donator
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June 13, 2012, 11:01:31 AM
That scenario isnt unlikely. I wonder how we will change BTC to Cash if bank transfers and ATM witdrs get limited?

In that scenario you should expect to see websites like this flourish

http://localbitcoins.com/

ah, I was looking for a well-done site like this for some time now (tradebitcoins.com just doesn't cut it). localbitcoins.com seems to be populated quite well already. cool, thanks!
legendary
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June 13, 2012, 10:50:43 AM
Owch $5.81, someone just sold like 10k btc?

It can be tricky to know when to "maximize" gains on an upswing in prices, however tempting it may be.

Making "Realized Gains" is a far more realistic attempt at making profitable returns in this market.
donator
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June 13, 2012, 10:42:31 AM
... am looking to sell a recently inherited real estate ASAP and buy gold
Well that's a difficult call. There's historical precedent for gold being confiscated, and there's historical precedent for land being confiscated.

If it were me, I'd probably hang on to the real estate, simply because it avoids the expenses you will incur by selling real estate and buying gold.
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June 13, 2012, 10:39:09 AM
Owch $5.81, someone just sold like 10k btc?
legendary
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June 13, 2012, 10:01:16 AM
I guess that's one way to look at it.

As said, I don't like it. But this is the picture I am currently getting. The commission has the power to keep it going at all (our) cost. I think people have no phantasy of what govts can do. I think we won't go hyper until debt is at 800% GDP. Because that is about where it happened in the past.

The German real estate market has a capitalization of 5 Trillion. Add the Dutch, Austrian, French, Finnish.... They can put a mandatory mortgage of 30% on your house to raise another 4 Trillion or so. I don't like it, but this is what I think they will do. After inflation, of course, because inflation removes the debt of house owners, so they can easily put new ones on. They did it before (1924).

In short, they will rip us blind to keep the system going. Forget about what collapse may happen, because it won't. Again: I don't like it, but this is what I think will happen, whether I like it or not.

I don't disagree that this is what will happen which is why I own gold and am looking to sell a recently inherited real estate ASAP and buy gold, but calling right now stable I can't agree with.. It's to relativist for me. It's unstable already and it's going to get far worse and far more unstable is the correct assessment.
legendary
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Strength in numbers
June 13, 2012, 09:47:40 AM
I guess that's one way to look at it.

As said, I don't like it. But this is the picture I am currently getting. The commission has the power to keep it going at all (our) cost. I think people have no phantasy of what govts can do. I think we won't go hyper until debt is at 800% GDP. Because that is about where it happened in the past.

The German real estate market has a capitalization of 5 Trillion. Add the Dutch, Austrian, French, Finnish.... They can put a mandatory mortgage of 30% on your house to raise another 4 Trillion or so. I don't like it, but this is what I think they will do. After inflation, of course, because inflation removes the debt of house owners, so they can easily put new ones on. They did it before (1924).

In short, they will rip us blind to keep the system going. Forget about what collapse may happen, because it won't. Again: I don't like it, but this is what I think will happen, whether I like it or not.

Hyper happens from loss of demand for a currency. People keep demanding really shitty currencies when there are no other options, but if bitcoin is usable enough those old currencies could self destruct while they still look healthy compared to breakdown points of the past.
anu
legendary
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RepuX - Enterprise Blockchain Protocol
June 13, 2012, 09:42:50 AM
I guess that's one way to look at it.

As said, I don't like it. But this is the picture I am currently getting. The commission has the power to keep it going at all (our) cost. I think people have no phantasy of what govts can do. I think we won't go hyper until debt is at 800% GDP. Because that is about where it happened in the past.

The German real estate market has a capitalization of 5 Trillion. Add the Dutch, Austrian, French, Finnish.... They can put a mandatory mortgage of 30% on your house to raise another 4 Trillion or so. I don't like it, but this is what I think they will do. After inflation, of course, because inflation removes the debt of house owners, so they can easily put new ones on. They did it before (1924).

In short, they will rip us blind to keep the system going. Forget about what collapse may happen, because it won't. Again: I don't like it, but this is what I think will happen, whether I like it or not.
legendary
Activity: 1078
Merit: 1003
June 13, 2012, 09:15:21 AM
The economy isn't broken. It doesn't need "fixing". This is exactly its intended condition. Money isn't real. Interest and debt are not real. Our whole economy has been set up to steal.

The sky isn't blue, water isn't wet, our whole existence has been set up so we can die.

 Roll Eyes
legendary
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June 13, 2012, 09:14:01 AM
This is not nice, I don't agree with what's going on, but to me it looks way more stable than before.

I don't understand how you can call an inflation rate of 3% stable, stably losing it's value maybe, but definitely not stable. Not to mention the horrible uncertainty of Greece and potential sovereign debt demonetization and the inflation that would case..

3% inflation is propaganda. They get there by including consumer electronics and excluding energy from the basket. The real rate should be some point between 5% and 7%.

If you take the Austrian definition of inflation (increase of money), it's probably in the 20% at the moment.

I know all of that, I just wanted to make a point for which I thought even 3% is enough and I didn't want my point being rejected because I used numbers many people wouldn't believe because it goes against what their precious owners(governments) tell them, do get what I'm trying to say?

My meaning of stable is something like "unlikely to collapse". Which I think it is. The Commission is very close now to being able to suspend several markets - they are certainly working towards that goal. And it looks to me they will get applause from Occupy and friends if they do.

I guess that's one way to look at it.
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