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legendary
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Personally, I feel that the RNG is the most important tool by which gamblers can measure an online casino's fairness, transparency, accountability, and honesty and that it operates in an ethical manner. For me this is the major role of the RNG in the online gambling industry.

I don't measure the casino's overall honesty thru RNG personally because, in the first place, I don't have the technical knowledge to know deeply how provably fair the game is. I always looked at their established reputation as a main factor in choosing the best online casinos.

At some point, I believed a reputable casino won't likely cheat by manipulating the algorithm of RNG or any related stuff.

Aside from the casino's reputation, another factor of mine is to always stick with the famous casino game providers since these providers won't be present at most casinos if their service is sh*tty and not trustworthy.
And you are doing the right thing, the RNG is important but it is not everything, since a casino may have the most perfect RNG but when it comes to the time you want to make a withdrawal they refuse to send you your coins as according to them you violated their TOS even when you know that was not the case, so we must take into account a lot of factors in order to determine the trustworthiness of a casino and not only consider a single factor like the RNG.

The truth is that I did not have much knowledge of the RNG, if I had read something but I did not have very specific knowledge, then this RNG is not as reliable as we sometimes think, I know that they are systems to make it completely fair, but when we realize account, it may be Responsible for giving us a hard time in the casino for not allowing the withdrawal to be instantaneous, of course this has Nothing to do with a new casino deciding to make its withdrawals Manually, from its manual withdrawal.

sr. member
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Upon reading your post, I think it is totally fine to be skeptic about RNG. But I agree with you that casinos' use of RNG is only to generate completely random numbers and the outcome cannot be predicted. There are third party companies that make sure that the game is not biased and that all players have the same chances of winning.
Well, though you are right and I agree with what you said, I believe some casinos, that don't really have a lot of reputation and trust among the community either because they are new or haven't really been used much by regular gamblers, can actually rig such systems only to cheat their players and gain an extra layer on advantage over the gamblers.

But the percentage of such casinos or platforms is not really a lot and most of them actually follow the rules and have systematic algorithms and techniques for choosing a winner or a loser of a particular bet on any game.
An established casino does not have any kind of incentive to do this as they know that even if they could get away with it for some time eventually someone will find out, and when that happens then the future of their casino will be over as no one will want to gamble at that casino ever again, so this is a problem that most likely you can only face if you gamble at casinos which are just starting out, as they may try to cheat some of their customers to increase their revenue this way.

I doubt that starting casinos can afford to cheat on players by manipulating RNGs  . Implementing and securing an RNG system is an expensive process that requires a significant investment and I think they won't risk it. Most starting casinos just focus on providing fair games to attract players and establish a positive reputation so they will be chosen over competitors. I think while it is possible for any casino, including a starting casino, to manipulate RNGs to cheat on players, the risks and consequences of doing so are significant and it will be unlikely for any legitimate casino operator or casinos hoping to be huge to engage in such practices.
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hero member
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This Random Number Generator (or RNG) is more commonly known as the algorithm. This kind of method is created by the owners in order to arrive at a seemingly random chance in every game that involves luck. For example, in slots, RNG is associated with it due to the nature of the game and this method has been used even outside the gambling industry. In this kind of method, it insures that the gambler has a certain percentage of winning which is outside the control of the company.

Though this may be the case, I think casino edge plays an impact on RNG. The algorithm that is being used and created somehow favours the gambling website though in a small and fixed percentage in order to at least keep the website alive as all online casinos (or casinos) are businesses.

We now even have Quantum Random Number Generators (QRNG) on mobile phones: https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/13/22381321/samsung-galaxy-quantum-2-announced-qrng-cryptography-chip

These things are advancing extremely fast.
legendary
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Well, though you are right and I agree with what you said, I believe some casinos, that don't really have a lot of reputation and trust among the community either because they are new or haven't really been used much by regular gamblers, can actually rig such systems only to cheat their players and gain an extra layer on advantage over the gamblers.

But the percentage of such casinos or platforms is not really a lot and most of them actually follow the rules and have systematic algorithms and techniques for choosing a winner or a loser of a particular bet on any game.
An established casino does not have any kind of incentive to do this as they know that even if they could get away with it for some time eventually someone will find out, and when that happens then the future of their casino will be over as no one will want to gamble at that casino ever again, so this is a problem that most likely you can only face if you gamble at casinos which are just starting out, as they may try to cheat some of their customers to increase their revenue this way.
hero member
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This Random Number Generator (or RNG) is more commonly known as the algorithm. This kind of method is created by the owners in order to arrive at a seemingly random chance in every game that involves luck. For example, in slots, RNG is associated with it due to the nature of the game and this method has been used even outside the gambling industry. In this kind of method, it insures that the gambler has a certain percentage of winning which is outside the control of the company.

Though this may be the case, I think casino edge plays an impact on RNG. The algorithm that is being used and created somehow favours the gambling website though in a small and fixed percentage in order to at least keep the website alive as all online casinos (or casinos) are businesses.
legendary
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Thanks for writing this up.  In the past I had the same thoughts, that there was no way that the casinos or the "house" wasn't controlling the random number generator is some form or fashion.  I got to talking with a buddy about it a few months back, and he is the one who explained to me how online Casinos can be provably fair with certain things, such as the random number generator. 

Of course if they can't prove this as "provably fair" then run for the hills!
legendary
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Today, I am going to write briefly about the Random Number Generator(RGN) and its importance in online casinos. So basically, what the RNG does is to ensure that when we play our favoruite casino games, it creates random number, thereby ensuring that the result of every game are random and fair. No one would enjoy playing a game where they have no fair chance of winning. So, what is its mode of operation? If you play slots a lot you would have noticed that there are random symbols that appears on the reels. And when it does, it determines whether you have won some cents, a dollar, or more. There are complex algorithm that have generated the random symbols. The same thing applies to other online games too. 

In the past, I used to think or believe that the random numbers generated were controlled by the owners of the online casinos. I was wrong. They have no control over it. Instead, there are companies that monitor it to ensure that the numbers generated are as random as they are. Imagine the manipulation and bias in the game results if online casinos had control over the RNG.

Personally, I feel that the RNG is the most important tool by which gamblers can measure an online casino's fairness, transparency, accountability, and honesty and that it operates in an ethical manner. For me this is the major role of the RNG in the online gambling industry.

As a gambler have you ever read up on how the RNG works in online casino games, or do you simply trust that it's functioning properly?

It varies hugely from casino to casino, there is no one set rule that they must be using third parties to manage their random number generation - which could even add more danger to the process for the gambling company or customers. These companies should be able to competently assess the random number generation within their games and while they do not control it, they specifically state that x amount of games will be weighted to the advantage of "the house" so you have to wonder how they integrate that selectivity. It's also worth pointing out that these numbers are not necessarily random, which is very difficult to do with computing the relies on all sorts of architectural quirks, but as close an approximation as can be achieved with current hardware & software.
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Random Number Generating is always favoured the system and not the player because those numbers are already configured by the system and it is just a spin game. Free spin games are always favouring the system and not the player and that is how the RNG also works. The player can only win if the gambler has small luck and not even big luck. And it is only in Lotto one can win big in random number generating by the gambler. So I don't really believe on the RNG system.
No they are not pre-configured because if they are, it will be easy for someone to know the outcome. They will only do some tweaking or hacks to know what's inside of this software. RNG doesn't favor anyone but it's only doing its job which is to show a random result/number that will be use by a casino or someone else like if they are running a contest/giveaway.

There are instances that a player can get lucky and predicted the numbers/result generated by the RNG. Not all lottery uses RNG like for example a crypto/blockchain lottery and not only lottery game can let you win big prizes. It does depend on the company too and its games.
Well, though you are right and I agree with what you said, I believe some casinos, that don't really have a lot of reputation and trust among the community either because they are new or haven't really been used much by regular gamblers, can actually rig such systems only to cheat their players and gain an extra layer on advantage over the gamblers.

But the percentage of such casinos or platforms is not really a lot and most of them actually follow the rules and have systematic algorithms and techniques for choosing a winner or a loser of a particular bet on any game.
sr. member
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The Random Number Generators has helped online casinos to maintain their credibility because of its principle of fairness. Initially when I knew nothing about how the outcomes of games come about, I used to think that the outcome are controlled by the casino operator, not until I read in one of those online blogs and discovered that the outcomes is  totally random.
But on the second thought, I can't totally trust that the outcome numbers are not controlled because a lot of rogue casinos exists and friend ones told me a sad encountered he had with one of them. He ended up leaving a bad review for them.

I agree with this.

RNG makes the casino more trustworthy. When a casino has a reputable RNG provider for their luck based games, players are more enticed to play because they are somewhat assured that the outcome of the game isn't biased or doom to lose for the casino's profit sake. Of course, no player wants to play on a website that will just rip them off. Hence, having this will help a player decide whether it's worth the shot to try to play on the casino due to their credible and reliable RNG system or choose other possible options that they deem suitable for their preference.

Although there are fake websites that claim that they have an RNG provider when in fact they don't or if ever they truly do, they were also the ones handling the program for their advantage. And I can't really blame players for doubting since there are a lot of scam websites circulating online. Hence, everyone must be wary of the legitimate and reputable, to the copy cats and scam sites.
sr. member
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The Random Number Generators has helped online casinos to maintain their credibility because of its principle of fairness. Initially when I knew nothing about how the outcomes of games come about, I used to think that the outcome are controlled by the casino operator, not until I read in one of those online blogs and discovered that the outcomes is  totally random.
But on the second thought, I can't totally trust that the outcome numbers are not controlled because a lot of rogue casinos exists and friend ones told me a sad encountered he had with one of them. He ended up leaving a bad review for them.
legendary
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Invention of Random Number Generator was truly revolutionary for gambling industries for sure. It alone probably created gambling on machines/computers with physically interactionable interfaces. I actually like luck based gambling options because they are the funniest ones (Luck based games give us more pleasure with surprises in my opinion). With rng, you feel idea of fairness. (Because noone but algorithm decides who are winners or losers).
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And it is only in Lotto one can win big in random number generating by the gambler. So I don't really believe on the RNG system.

Are you saying that all online lotteries where draw results are generated by a certain random algorithm are all sh*t and not true?

These lotteries won't pass being a lottery site if they will failed to prove the fairness of their system.

The RNG system is 100% fair, "technically". But of course, don't expect sites that are not popular and unlicensed lottery sites to have a fair approach to their users. Always stick with those considered reputable ones.
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legendary
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Random number when used by lottery in large instances takes a real world data point randomly generated by elemental results rather then attempts to emulate by a computer.  I think there are serious flaws by computers in this task that undermine gambling.
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Random Number Generating is always favoured the system and not the player because those numbers are already configured by the system and it is just a spin game. Free spin games are always favouring the system and not the player and that is how the RNG also works. The player can only win if the gambler has small luck and not even big luck. And it is only in Lotto one can win big in random number generating by the gambler. So I don't really believe on the RNG system.
No they are not pre-configured because if they are, it will be easy for someone to know the outcome. They will only do some tweaking or hacks to know what's inside of this software. RNG doesn't favor anyone but it's only doing its job which is to show a random result/number that will be use by a casino or someone else like if they are running a contest/giveaway.

There are instances that a player can get lucky and predicted the numbers/result generated by the RNG. Not all lottery uses RNG like for example a crypto/blockchain lottery and not only lottery game can let you win big prizes. It does depend on the company too and its games.
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The system is designed to work according to the terms of online gambling, if it is used to harm players then when exploited it will destroy the casino's reputation and players will leave them because currently there are so many online casinos available so players will easily move if they feel something is wrong.
RNG is designed to generate random numbers which means it looks fair for all gamblers, so that every gambler will experience wins and losses which we can categorize that for fairness.
So, systems like RNG are designed not to harm or cheat gamblers but to generate fair random numbers and each gambler will have his fair share of wins and losses.

No casino would say they use a system because if they did they would be killing their own casino.
what do you mean by system? and what do you mean kill their own casino?
are you kidding?
the casinos obviously wouldn't be able to tell anyone about the system they devised to make the casinos profitable.
Random Number Generating is always favoured the system and not the player because those numbers are already configured by the system and it is just a spin game. Free spin games are always favouring the system and not the player and that is how the RNG also works. The player can only win if the gambler has small luck and not even big luck. And it is only in Lotto one can win big in random number generating by the gambler. So I don't really believe on the RNG system.
legendary
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I have read about how RNG works. But I always forget it after some time. But it doesn't really matter that much. Do we check each and every output released by these generators? Can we even check whether the generator isn't broken and its implementation is totally working? I don't think so. We mostly just trust that it is being audited and therefore working properly.

Most if not all crypto casinos are provably fair. It means its fairness can be verified and proven by any single gambler. I have tried and experimented with it in the past. But then I still don't check every result of a dice game whether it is fair or not. I think nobody does it.
Most likely no one verifies each one of the bets they make, however the possibility is there for anyone that wants to try, the most obvious use we have to verifying our bets is that if we have a long streak of losses we may get suspicious about what is going on and think that maybe we could be victims of some sort of foul play, but if you check those losses and everything is fine then you know the casino is not manipulating the results and that you are just being unlucky.
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The system is designed to work according to the terms of online gambling, if it is used to harm players then when exploited it will destroy the casino's reputation and players will leave them because currently there are so many online casinos available so players will easily move if they feel something is wrong.
RNG is designed to generate random numbers which means it looks fair for all gamblers, so that every gambler will experience wins and losses which we can categorize that for fairness.
So, systems like RNG are designed not to harm or cheat gamblers but to generate fair random numbers and each gambler will have his fair share of wins and losses.

No casino would say they use a system because if they did they would be killing their own casino.
what do you mean by system? and what do you mean kill their own casino?
are you kidding?
the casinos obviously wouldn't be able to tell anyone about the system they devised to make the casinos profitable.
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yep that's right because not all gamblers care about techniques like RNG all they think about is betting and having fun. but actually if gamblers want to care about all the technicalities in gambling they will definitely bet more carefully because they know all about how the system works in online gambling.

those who don't think too much about RNG surely he's just a gambler who likes to spend money to have fun and hit the spin button on slot games.
Yes, not all gamblers are those who understand technology or all kinds of gambling systems which, if studied, might make gamblers able to be more careful in gambling or able to take into account all possibilities if they want to achieve something in their gambling activities, and I am one of them.
The system is designed to work according to the terms of online gambling, if it is used to harm players then when exploited it will destroy the casino's reputation and players will leave them because currently there are so many online casinos available so players will easily move if they feel something is wrong.
But not a few gamblers already understand this and they continue to play because they have experience playing gambling for a long time so that they can minimize the number of losses and implement a method or strategy to at least be able to win the game and take advantage.
The gambling industry consists of various gamblers from all over the world, so I'm sure there are many gamblers who are always careful and prioritize playing calmly so they don't get careless when playing.
Actually, gamblers already know that games in casinos have been designed by the system and have been aware of this for a long time, it's just that gamblers continue to gamble because it has become a habit and addiction so that all risks can be accepted and not thought about too much.
No casino would say they use a system because if they did they would be killing their own casino.
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yep that's right because not all gamblers care about techniques like RNG all they think about is betting and having fun. but actually if gamblers want to care about all the technicalities in gambling they will definitely bet more carefully because they know all about how the system works in online gambling.

those who don't think too much about RNG surely he's just a gambler who likes to spend money to have fun and hit the spin button on slot games.
Yes, not all gamblers are those who understand technology or all kinds of gambling systems which, if studied, might make gamblers able to be more careful in gambling or able to take into account all possibilities if they want to achieve something in their gambling activities, and I am one of them.
The system is designed to work according to the terms of online gambling, if it is used to harm players then when exploited it will destroy the casino's reputation and players will leave them because currently there are so many online casinos available so players will easily move if they feel something is wrong.
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