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Topic: Ratimov is deleting self-moderated topics. He now goes onto my Ignore list. - page 2. (Read 1638 times)

legendary
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By the way: I reported that post you found, with plagiarized images. No surprise, it's unhandled.

That's what I said:

mods probably won't be enforcing plagiarism rules on an image

There's a good reason for it, e.g. you don't want to start handing out bans for memes and twitter screenshots, and in many contexts it's quite obvious that the image serves as a quote and/or has a built-in reference via the URL. It's just that sleezeballs will abuse it, like they're abusing self-mod feature.
legendary
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Why would mods just play along with Ratimov instead of banning him for creating this mess is kinda puzzling though.

From data shown on bpip is visible that both mods were showered in merits by him, in time, thus he enrolled them in his army of minions. Furthermore, in exchange, they did the same. If I were wolwoo I'd say "there is a strong gang here".

Now mods are just doing their job as his minions, helping him cover his plagiarism.

By the way: I reported that post you found, with plagiarized images. No surprise, it's unhandled.
legendary
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Are there any similar precedents in the forum? I didn't quite catch what happened with Lauda, and then some of the tone of the conversation sounds like Vod-OgNasty to me, but has this mass deletion of posts ever happened before?

Some users have deleted a bunch of their own posts. That's fair game I think, whatever the reason, e.g. privacy.

Some users have abused self-mod threads. There is one prolific troll (korner) who's been doing this for years with multiple accounts - creates a click-bait self-mod thread, waits for it to grow to a few pages, then selectively deletes other users' posts and edits his own posts to completely change the narrative. Obviously tons of scammers abuse this feature too.

I don't recall someone just deleting a bunch of self-mod threads completely. I don't know how valuable those threads were, I'm guessing not particularly, but if there was any value in them I'd say LoyceV or someone else could perhaps appeal to admins to have the threads reinstated and locked.

Why would mods just play along with Ratimov instead of banning him for creating this mess is kinda puzzling though.
legendary
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Since the appearance of your topic, I personally have deleted no more than 30 topics. Don't forget that the Russian section has two moderators. So no need to attribute to me what is not there (nepotism, etc).

Yes, nobody should suspect any nepotism between Xal0lex and Ratimov, since he deleted "only" 30 topics out of 78 (almost 40%).



So things get better and better. Ratimov has 2 mods among his army of minions, not just 1.

Let's see how things are in this other case, where xandry deleted, probably, the remaining 60%.


Oh no! Ratimov is mod's second merit provider!


Aaaand Ratimov is most merited user by the mod!

So again, a mod very helping in deleting evidence of plagiarism, after he got bribed well with merits during time.
staff
Activity: 2436
Merit: 2347
I checked: in those 58 topics, he earned 202 Merits.
Update: modlog now shows 78 deleted topics, in which Ratimov earned 369 Merits.

Since the appearance of your topic, I personally have deleted no more than 30 topics. Don't forget that the Russian section has two moderators. So no need to attribute to me what is not there (nepotism, etc).
legendary
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He could easily have avoided all this by moving the topic to Archival, but he choose to throw his garbage topics on the board you moderate. This sets a precedent for using the board you moderate as a trashcan and by reporting his own posts there turns you into his personal trashman.

I think the explanation is this: he understood that hiding evidence in Archival board is not enough; he understood that chances to have his plagiarized shit-topics deleted are greater if he deletes their content and move them to an active board, compared with leaving them in Archival board, which has no dedicated mod. Then he chose Russian board, for the nepotism between he and the mod (explained above).

Prolly if he moved his shit in other boards he could get banned, so why take the risk since Xal0lex was there, eager to help and also with his hands tied when a ban comes in discussion?
legendary
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I checked: in those 58 topics, he earned 202 Merits.
Update: modlog now shows 78 deleted topics, in which Ratimov earned 369 Merits.

so efficient in hiding his plagiarism.
What good is an archive site if it doesn't highlight the deleted topics.... So I made this:
https://loyce.club/other/tmp/Ratimovs_deleted_topics.html
It gives direct links to my archived version of those 78 deleted topics. Unfortunately, I only have the unedited originals, with the original titles.

The above link properly shows the Russian text. In BBCode, it looks like this:
5191960: Big farm... or not? (48 alts connected)
5197199: Ratimov merit source application !!!
5205419: The Primenuum. Основная странность
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Can it be? Ratimov is mod's no. 1 fan! Does it still look curious mod's attempt to help deleting plagiarism evidence?
It's quite normal for a Merit source to Merit someone when they use the same local board. I don't expect the posts to be bad, so it's not wrong.

I think the explanation is this: he understood that hiding evidence in Archival board is not enough
And now, thanks to deleting the topics, they're all highlighted here :D



@Timelord2067: your off-topic complaining about me isn't welcome here. Open your own topic and knock yourself out. Or just do your usual: use my Untrusted feedback page as your personal diary. You have only 2 feedbacks left to fill!
legendary
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The reason is the following: out of 3.5M users of the forum, I guess that 10.000 at most know about ninjastic.space
I think your estimate is way off. Most forum users have zero posts, BPIP shows only 51k active users in the past 3 months, and many of those are only bounty spammers or alt accounts.

This should explain even better to SmartGold01 why Ratimov's zealous work, together with the friendly and helping mod, is so efficient in hiding his plagiarism.

What do you think a moderator should do if he sees such garbage topics in the root of the section under his control?
Isn't that what bans are for? To stop people from posting garbage?
I don't have the authority to ban users.
But you have a Mod board, in which you could report him to Mods with banning power. It's more than just deleting his own posts, it's moving garbage into your board. And that's a clear violation of the forum rules:
1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads.
He could easily have avoided all this by moving the topic to Archival, but he choose to throw his garbage topics on the board you moderate. This sets a precedent for using the board you moderate as a trashcan and by reporting his own posts there turns you into his personal trashman.

LV, you are too harsh! Why are you now exposing even more the poor mod, which Ratimov turned into his personal garbage man?

Oh, wait! Look what I found:



Can it be? Ratimov is mod's no. 1 fan! Does it still look curious mod's attempt to help deleting plagiarism evidence?

I know I said that Ratimov built an army of minions but I bet that nobody expected to have mods too in his army.

Oh wait! There's more:



The appreciation is mutual! The mod also also chose Ratimov as his first destination of merits, sending him an amount more than double compared to his second most merited user.

Sacré bleu there's even more!!! Isn't Xal0lex the one which deleted a post from the topic Stake your Bitcoin address here for hiding his alt account, which he used for insulting forum users?



Ok, I have to say that whatever unpleasant opinion I had about Ratimov I was still way way too kind to him. I thought that after he got caught plagiarising he would surely have learned something, like maybe to include links. Well, he surely learned how to not get caught: (a) plagiarise images; (b) from behind paywalls. Considering that mods probably won't be enforcing plagiarism rules on an image, and/or not going out of their way to look behind paywalls - brilliant strategy

LMAO, forum's 4th most merited user plagiarizes constantly, for 5 years in a row, under various forms, and mods have no power to ban him.

I suggest to Ratimov that, after he becomes most merited user ever, to do same thing on other forums too and become there also most merited user / most recognized or whatever terminology would be used on other forums. Then post also some plagiarized thesis and take his Ph. D. as well. Why stick only to Internet forums? He could take any diploma in real life as well.



in Russia such words can cause death.

I am eagerly waiting for Ratimov to make some death threats as well. Only death threats are missing from his arsenal (which contains plagiarism, Trust abuses, merit abuses, leaving false tags, retaliatory tags, insulting, acting like a street thug, intellectual theft etc.).



Are you one of the DT supporter of Ratimov?

What did you expect?



Ratimov is not just his no. 1 fan, but he also made him Legendary almost made him Legendary. I already explained that, after Ratimov became a MS he built an army of minions, which always support / defend him.

Here they are!



Let's say he wants to fix the mistakes he made in the previous days, but what could be the reason for deleting others' posts from a self-moderated topic?

The con-job is this: he deletes posts until the topic becomes pure garbage, then he deletes also OP's content and moves the trash in his personal shithole, namely Russian board. And there, his personal garbageman helps him get rid of all plagiarism evidence.
legendary
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I see the deletion of topics and, accordingly, the posts of other users a little differently. It looks like hysteria. The fact that Ratimov has a very unrestrained character literally screams every time his ego is somehow affected. The actions are similar to those of an offended child who does not know how to take revenge on someone who has offended him very much, and at the same time, he never wants to hear or accept words of criticism. The man really wanted to be a leader. By any means, anyone familiar with psychology will be able to give the correct diagnosis. The actions are very disappointing as a man's behavior.

Yesterday, I also saw the renaming of self-moderated topics from Ratimov. It was surprising to see a bunch of topics with gobbledygook in the Russian section. It is in vain to blame the moderators, since they were putting things in order in their section after the riot of emotions of someone who does not know how to control himself. Should we find out what happens to this or that person when we see something like this?
Ultimately, to avoid destruction and repetition with self-moderated topics, it may be simple to cancel them.
legendary
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The reason is the following: out of 3.5M users of the forum, I guess that 10.000 at most know about ninjastic.space
I think your estimate is way off. Most forum users have zero posts, BPIP shows only 51k active users in the past 3 months, and many of those are only bounty spammers or alt accounts.

Picture a crime scene, okay? There is blood everywhere, finger prints etc. And before Police comes to take the existing evidence the janitor comes with a water hose, sprays water everywhere and starts to wash the floor tiles, because who needs all that mess on the floor anyway?
From the Mod's perspective, I wouldn't hold it against them. Although I would have done this:
What do you think a moderator should do if he sees such garbage topics in the root of the section under his control?
Isn't that what bans are for? To stop people from posting garbage?
I don't have the authority to ban users.
But you have a Mod board, in which you could report him to Mods with banning power. It's more than just deleting his own posts, it's moving garbage into your board. And that's a clear violation of the forum rules:
1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads.
He could easily have avoided all this by moving the topic to Archival, but he choose to throw his garbage topics on the board you moderate. This sets a precedent for using the board you moderate as a trashcan and by reporting his own posts there turns you into his personal trashman.

Yes, digaran gets paid for generally writing drivel that has little to do with the topic at hand.
Good point. He won't get paid for posting in my topic anymore:
I will delete insults from digaran. Even better, I'll delete all his posts here. He's on my ignore list for a reason.
hero member
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Of course it's correct. All thieves try to hide their traces, right? It would be stupid to steal and to not care about leaving traces leading to you. /s
Stole people words/content aka plagiarism is theft, but for me it's not something that lead to negative feedback. It's a matter between him and the moderator, not for us as a member.

I'm not going to say you're wrong to think thieves try to hide their traces, because you're correct in your side since you're the one who get involved with him.

Why would having one's posts deleted affect anyone other than wasting the time of the person who wrote them?  In any case, that's always the chance you take when you post in a self-moderated thread, right?
It's true, but I think people aren't expect that since he's a Legendary user, familiar with this forum, and has a good reputation, so it's almost impossible for him to troll the forum members.
legendary
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So basically, he is trying to punish everyone by deleting their posts, but I doubt it's any kind of punishment. I don't think any active forum members will be affected. But it's disrespectful.
Eh, I just woke up and found my inbox had way more messages in it than usual, and a few of them were notifications that Ratimov (I assume; I didn't even look that closely) deleted a few of my posts.  Don't know what his motive is, but it doesn't affect me nor do I find it particularly disrespectful. 

Why would having one's posts deleted affect anyone other than wasting the time of the person who wrote them?  In any case, that's always the chance you take when you post in a self-moderated thread, right?
legendary
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Let's say he wants to fix the mistakes he made in the previous days, but what could be the reason for deleting others' posts from a self-moderated topic? Fortunately, I did not post in his self-moderated threads, so none of my posts were deleted. But he managed to delete his posts from Gazeta's thread and managed to make all my replies merge and delete the original posts.

So basically, he is trying to punish everyone by deleting their posts, but I doubt it's any kind of punishment. I don't think any active forum members will be affected. But it's disrespectful.

Are there any similar precedents in the forum? I didn't quite catch what happened with Lauda, and then some of the tone of the conversation sounds like Vod-OgNasty to me, but has this mass deletion of posts ever happened before?

From the forum they seem to have a good idea about him, because not only they didn't ban him for plagiarism but they made him a merit source.

You could simply provide the evidence to your campaign manager, he'd understand and would count your posts by date of posts, not total count.
You're missing the point (no surprise there). This has nothing to do with campaign managers.

Yes, digaran gets paid for generally writing drivel that has little to do with the topic at hand.

Did you claim that you wrote this shitpost yourself?

I don't know if he claims or doesn't claim, what is clear to me is that he keeps writing shitposts, and getting paid for it.

On the subject of inclusions-exclusions, I wonder to what extent Ratimov has a number of stalwarts on his local board.
hero member
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Let's say he wants to fix the mistakes he made in the previous days, but what could be the reason for deleting others' posts from a self-moderated topic? Fortunately, I did not post in his self-moderated threads, so none of my posts were deleted. But he managed to delete his posts from Gazeta's thread and managed to make all my replies merge and delete the original posts.

So basically, he is trying to punish everyone by deleting their posts, but I doubt it's any kind of punishment. I don't think any active forum members will be affected. But it's disrespectful.
legendary
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What is wrong with those images? Did he claim to make them himself? Images with copyrights have watermarks anyways, and his topic is of an informative nature, and one of them has a data source.

Did you claim that you wrote this shitpost yourself?

Generally we don't do that, it's the implied default unless stated otherwise. And it's not about copyright. Copying something that's not protected by copyright/watermark/etc would still be plagiarism.

The "data source" is referring to part of the data (market cap information) that Bloomberg used in the chart, it has nothing to do with Ratimov lifting Bloomberg's work and posting here without reference.
legendary
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Speculation is this is to hide traces of his past plagiarism, but I can't know his reasons for sure.

Ok, I have to say that whatever unpleasant opinion I had about Ratimov I was still way way too kind to him. I thought that after he got caught plagiarising he would surely have learned something, like maybe to include links. Well, he surely learned how to not get caught: (a) plagiarise images; (b) from behind paywalls. Considering that mods probably won't be enforcing plagiarism rules on an image, and/or not going out of their way to look behind paywalls - brilliant strategy.

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legendary
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I got notification today that Ratimov deleted one my post. I was surprised because it wasn't spam, off-topic, it was made long time ago and if I'm not mistaken, he even merited it.
I don't know how you would feel if Ratimov deleted 5 of your posts instead of just 1. You know - he deleted 5 of my posts from his topic today, I was really surprised to see that. I obviously don't know what the problem is and what makes him do all this - but really this is never a good thing to do.

Let's be honest - this will make me more selective to make post and share opinions in self-moderated topic, regardless of whatever causes them to do it.
legendary
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And now mods are also actively contributing to his attempts of deleting any remaining evidence of plagiarism. All good.

Is my English so bad that you don't understand? Or are you trying to troll? What is not clear in what I wrote above? Moderators do NOT delete posts and information from Ratimov's topics. He does it himself. Moderators only delete EMPTY topics that nobody needs. What good will it do if these topics remain in the section as they are? Who needs them? There is nothing there anyway.
Xal0lex do you see you are not helping but making it bad for yourself. This type of response points the fingers more to moderators. It's better to admit that you failed to act properly and was victim of Ratimov's evil plan when he use the holes. But instead you are attacking a user who actually is trying to help you [by pointing the fingers on your eyes] not to make the same mistake again in the future. If you are not a part of the plan then there are no reason for your to get upset and angry. What a mess!

I'll add my 3 cents.
It seems that the period of insults has already passed, and it was said that members of the DT should behave with restraint.
The word insult “rat”( кpыca) in Russian is very bad; for such an insult the opponent’s face will be beaten no less than for telling the opponent to go to hell or saying bad things about his mother or relatives.
Maybe in English this is not a very strong insult, but in Russia such words can cause death. And any verbal phrases associated with distorting the opponent’s last name usually lead to fights or murders.
Ratimov is not a nickname, but a real surname. And you, intentionally or unintentionally, continue to insult your opponent.
Can you be on topic with your 3 cents? Are you one of the DT supporter of Ratimov? If you are, do you think he deserves it and not dangerous for the system? Have you read the topic yet? If not then read everything before planning to write anything else. I was mistaken too.
legendary
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I got notification today that Ratimov deleted one my post. I was surprised because it wasn't spam, off-topic, it was made long time ago and if I'm not mistaken, he even merited it. I'm not very familiar with contraversies related with him and I don't really want to get involved in all this drama. But in past his behaviour already looked a bit strange, especially that bragging about everything what he did here. But I thought OK, some people just love themselves too much. Now I will avoid posting in his topics and wasting my time
But if he really wanted to hide traces of plagiarism or something in this way, it's just stupid. Once something is on internet, it stays here forever. Especially when we have tools which track deleted post. Yeah, you can say that not many knows Loyce.club or Ninjastick, but I think it doesn't matters that much if random Bitcointalk visitors isn't aware about. Significant part of active Bitcointalk users knows it, especially these who have more or less weight here.
legendary
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You all should be ashamed. How dare you not appreciate the hard work of copy-pasting texts from random websites into Google Translate and then into Bitcointalk. Your utter failure to provide necessary praise and admiration offended Ratimov and now we will all have to suffer the absence of this valuable content. This forum will never be the same.
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