Topic: Ratimov plagiarizer and now trust abuser - page 2. (Read 1628 times)

Bumping to show more trust abuse

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.56465521
fxpc made post with direct quote from Ratimov bragging about making money from being a plagiarizer. Ratimov then leaves this trust feedback


Trust abuse. Ratimov earns money from forum from being a plagiarizer. That is a fact. Even if you think plagiarizing is not corrupt, this feedback has nothing to do with trading risk. It is more trust abuse.

I will update list in first post that you can copy and paste to exclude Ratimov and everyone who includes this abuser.

Even just disagree with Ratimov now and he gives out negative trust. Such abuse. Such plagiarism. Such scumbag. Exclude him. Ban him.

Really bad look for chipmixer

Proves my point he has not made single good post which he wrote. All his merit are from stolen work. Scum.


So exclude this trust abuser.


I have updated first post to remove the names of the people who have removed Ratimov. All the others should still be excluded until they stop supporting trust abusers.

I'll respond here because my name was mentioned. First: this isn't the first topic about Ratimov, and I think I've said everything there is to say about it already. I think Ratimov can/should improve on his references, but ultimately it's not up to me. If the forum doesn't ban him for it, he seems to have found a loophole to easily make long posts that many people appreciate.
That being said, after several topics calling him out for plagiarism his large Merit earnings have dropped significantly:
See:
I always consider Trust inclusions and exclusions a bit of a "gliding scale": I usually don't (dis)agree with all ratings, but if the number gets too high, I might change my Trust list. I think I'm not alone in this, and Ratimov's DT-strength is already starting to decline a bit.

So what happens to all the people who had asu or theyoungmillionaire in their trust network? Is it right to make them liable for an action they couldn't foresee?

I'm a strong proponent of the belief that if someone is liable for money they owe, it is solely their liability. They cannot share that liability with people who weren't directly involved in that act.

It certainly would be if that's the case, but I'm just throwing out a random idea for the sake of the discussion we're having.


Are you referring to your original post in this thread? I don't see anything like that.
Is it in one of the Russian posts? Please provide a link to the post, even if it is in another language.
As I said most of us are lazy, and some of us are slower than others. It does no good if there isn't a public record for us to view.


From a quick-glance, and I'll admit I'm not informed on this issue - it looks like he specifically cites the sources, so isn't it a proper contribution to translate these works for a larger audience and communication between our community?

You forgot negative feedback he left to nullius,also without reference and even lying


He was warned by LoyceV about his copypaste and improper referencing 3 months ago.He ignored warnings, left us few bad feedbacks without any evidence and continued with same practice until airfinex started his thread.Then he got scared.His whole post history is full of topics like that.



When you start topic with In this article I would like to touch upon such a theme as online privacy and then you google translate article without adding your own content and hide real source between other links then it is plagiarism.That is what Ratimov did.He pretended that he wrote article while he only google translated article.


It is shame that Ratimov is russian merit source as their whole board is licking his ass because of that.If he wasnt they would put him on distrust list long time ago but he is useful to them and they will defend him.

I'm not wholly in agreement with that statement.  As I've said before, he hasn't technically plagiarized, at least not by the standards of the forum's rules.  But I also said:


Could it be possible that Ratimov has found a way to flaunt the forum's rules, and deceive it's users into rewarding him with merit and lucrative employment?  All it takes is one click of a button to use the forum's quote feature, making it abundantly clear this work is not originally yours.  By all appearances, Ratimov seems to have benefited by not clicking that button.  If some strongly feel he has done this deliberately, then I think that comes pretty darn close to the intent of plagiarism, even if it isn't technically plagiarism.  In such a situation, I think people are well within their rights to leave negative feedback, and that's not a misuse of the system.  In fact, I believe that's exactly what the system is for.  Myself, I have not come to that conclusion, but I can see how some could arrive there.

On the other hand, retaliatory feedback with no references, little substance, and lots of name-calling and subservient canines is a misuse of the system.  It certainly has no place on DT1.

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I never expected the mods to do anything, nor do I think they should.  The relative freedom we have in this forum is exceedingly rare, and I believe it's something to be celebrated.  I tend to agree that the rules were not broken, and therefore the mods should stay out of it.  

But I also believe that the situation is not so simply "black or white," and that's where the trust system comes into play.  

I agree, use of such words in retaliation trust rating's by a DT1 is unethical at most and such users are harm to a drama free trust system.

OK, I guess I'm just not reading stuff like the above the way you are, though it could be the translation/language barrier.  That quote is pretty damn vile, but I don't see any threats in it, just disgusting imagery.

But yeah, death threats are definitely against the rules.  If you think he's threatened you or anyone else, report it to the mods and have them handle it.  I'm a neutral party here and have no feelings about Ratimov one way or the other (though I haven't checked the feedback he's left for others yet; I should probably do that now).

Leaving ratings like whiner, dumb hysterical bitch, stupid idiot, fuckhead, raped, bash your head in, piss on your head, is abuse. If you think that is not trust abuse, then you are stupid. Death threats are also against forum rules.

Trust is for trading risk, not for name calling and death threats. If Ratimov can't control his anger, then he shouldn't be DT1. Simple.

That's probably more a consequence of the rotating DT system than anything else, although obviously he got enough inclusions to make it in there in the first place.  Whether or not he deserves to be in any level of DT, as long as he's not abusing his status I'm fine ignoring him being on it since he'll probably rotate off eventually. 

I read some of the thread that accused him of plagiarism, but from what I've read from everyone else he didn't actually plagiarize anything--hence he wasn't banned.  So there's no reason to beat a dead horse, because unless someone can find evidence of him actually plagiarizing something without citing any source whatsoever, mods aren't likely to do anything. 

Has Ratimov done anything else shady?  Getting into a squabble and name-calling doesn't count in my opinion.  Anyone can get into a pissing contest here and still be trustworthy. 

Even more reason to ~Ratimov. Shit way to use trust.


Left in trust ratings. See my first post where he leaves feedback about "bashing your head in".


Did you even read the thread in Meta board? That is what he does -- he takes article in Russian, puts it in Google translate, and then posts in English as if it is his own work. The posts he makes in English are plagiarized from other Russian speakers.

If I was trusting someone based on English posts, and I found out all their English posts were stolen from Russians, I would be very angry they had fooled me and would ~ them immediately.

I trust him based on the posts he made in ENGLISH. I cannot analyze russian posts.

I asked for plagiarized content in english, and you showed me more russian text.

You are posting in the wrong board. Nobody here can read Russian. I dont know you, so I dont trust your translations.

You need to find english material, and then post it here.

I'm not trying to be obnoxious about asking for the profile, I just know how lazy some of us are - Thank you.


I don't think that correlation proves causation or whatever the saying is. Could it be the case that Ratimov is so easily swayed by any defense of himself that he adds that person to his trust list? That wouldn't make that user's opinion or defense any less valid through Ratimov's support of it; does that make sense? Just an idea.


In my opinion, these two sentences are contradictory.
The mods are objective, in this situation, and if they agreed that it was plagiarism then he would be banned.
Unless there's some conspiracy that goes deeper than I understand, in which case this thread just got a whole lot bigger.

Yes, agreed


If this was in PM you can report the PM and if it was in a public post then it should be easy to point at it as evidence.
I didn't see any, did I miss it?

Profile of this abuser -- https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/symmetrick-2627711

The only people who defend and say it is not plagiarizing are people he includes on his trust list -- has left positive trust to -- regularly showers with merits. Everyone objective says it is plagiarizing. Still don't know why mods don't ban.

Retaliatory feedback is wrong, doesn't matter if feedback you have been left is correct or not. Calling people names in feedback with no reference is worse. Death threats in feedback is against rules and he should be banned.

Negative trust for plagiarizing is different topic, but if you are happy to steal intellectual property then you are also happy to steal physical property.

Taking a step back and trying to analyze this from an "Outside" perspective is difficult. You haven't provided a link to the user in questions profile, which already makes more work for anyone looking-in. Then, I'd have to rely on soft-translations to even know what they've said. These aren't impossible hurdles, but they mean more work on the accuser's (you) part.

Something that I've picked up on over the years is that two wrongs do not make a right. So, if Ratimov (https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/symmetrick-2627711) is being given negative trust for plagiarizing when they aren't actually plagiarizing then we as a community should take action to remove those users wrongfully leaving him trust. Now, I'm not saying this is the case, but what I am saying is that regardless of the context - the retaliatory negative trust is never helpful in resolving the situation. If Ratimov was wrongly tagged, the retaliatory trust makes them look childish. If they are correctly tagged, then it's clear they won't learn from their mistakes.

If you are truly bothered by him being paid in a signature campaign, then seemingly the best route would be to contact the campaign manager and see if they agree with you about it.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/merit-source-plagiarist-5297144

Every post he makes which is longer than 2 lines is plagiarized, except the ones where he defends his plagiarizing or calls other people names like a kid.


So you trust him when you do not even read his trust ratings? Bad bad bad. He uses trust to insult and give death threats. This is what you are supporting when you include him. This is what chipmixer is supporting when they pay him.

ScumBuster

Please provide examples of plagiarized content Ratimov made.

This content you wrote from the local board I cannot analyze,  i dont trust translations.

When he writes in English he doesn't make death threats or this kind of things.

I fully agreed on this matter. You can be a DT without risking any money on trading to other people compared before. You just need to be friend to other DT1. I hope that the moderator can set a rule that when a DT turns to a scammer, The DT that added him to his trust list will be liable to that same offence since he is vouching for him by adding him to there trust list.

I said this statement not specifically for ratimov.

Because of this --


Even if we pretend he isn't a huge plagiarizer, using the trust system as weapon to punish someone who disagrees with you (with no references!) is not correct. Using the trust system to issue death threats is not correct.


Thank you for standing up and not wanting the trust system to turn in to kindergarten name calling. My newbie account means I can only send 2 PMs a day, so topic is most useful. Will also remind others not to add this plagiarizing name calling child who should be banned to their trust list.