Topic: Re: 10th anniversary art contest - page 5. (Read 6502 times)

In my opinion, contest participants should tell up front if they posting images which have been created on the third-party online services. Otherwise, there are such incidents happen.








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What is the opinion on this? The characters used in the below entry can be downloaded from Freepik

We are almost 3days away from knowing the top art design in bitcointalk art contest. Theymos said " Based mainly on commumity consensus" but not influenced by the merits received from other people.

So this argument between old art that has been submitted and new art that has been "plagiarized" but still given certain merit is out of context. Cause theymos will be the one to pick the winners.

I'm just curious how this community consensus will be done? Is there a voting system by DT or people here prior to ending date of the contest?

Hey @Kalemder, any chance you add (or at least consider) my Homemade anniversary bitcointalk pizza? Imho it would be a shame if  bitcointalk anniversary gallery doesn't have anything pizza related , as pizza is an important part of forum history

Cheers!

Yes, I understand and I appreciate your artwork, regardless of the old artwork or not, I still appreciate it. As @veleor said, new artwork must be prioritized for this contest, so it does not turn into an exhibition of old ideas. I'm glad you have critical thoughts about the artwork you have.

I am waiting for your new artwork and I will appreciate it. Keep on working, brother. 

I too feel users should give due credit for images taken online. If stock images are used, the user should have the rights to use the image, provided the given stock image does not form the majority / all of the design. I think the high merits given by Theymos could be him appreciating the art / design work and that the art / design would have been entirely created by the said user. This contest could be for fun but that does not mean that it should be filled with  plagiarized or copyrighted content. This essentially mocks people who have put in the effort to create the art / design work themselves. There are however some truly incredible art / design work in this contest. I've also seen some users who have posted art / design work that is someone else's but they have pointed that out and have also not given their BTC addresses in those posts showing how it should be done if the art / design work is not theirs. BTW, @Yatsan, your art works are amazing.

I purchased the physical piece of art. I do not own the rights to use the image as I please, that was not part of my agreement. Yatsan is within the law to use the image they painted in any way they decide. I should add having some experience in production graphic arts, the law is pretty clear on this. I think it is a great piece of work and am very happy with it BTW. I like the new one, you still have plenty of time, don't rush it!

I understand your opinion sir, and I respect it.

I am local artist here in Philippines and attended several auction and seminars about art. Yes, the painting will be still mine as long as it is existed. The physical painting will be for TECSHARE, he can sell it for any amount and I don't have control for that, but when he is going to sell it, the credits will be in my name. It will be considered mine as long as it is existed, but I will have no rights for any activity that painting will be involved with. That is actually a good question sir  Thank you. 

BTW,  I am making a new one for the contest. 
I hope this will be finished today. 

To my mind, new artworks should be in priority, otherwise the contest will turn into an exhibition of old ideas, without the need to create something fresh.
Also you had raised an interesting question, whether the painting 'Crypto guy' that you posted can be rightfully considered yours.
Despite the fact that you are the author, but after you sold it to TECSHARE, then now it belongs to him practically.

Thank you for your opinion sir, I posted it because there are no specific rules for posting an old artwork. What we cannot do is steal other's artwork and posted it to the contest. I understand what your point is, but just like what Theymos said:


Let's just enjoy the contest, let's just have some fun! If there's a rule for being unable to post an old artwork, I will not do it. and besides I am making a new one, so I hope you are gonna like this one 
BTW, thank you for mentioning that sir! so now I have a chance to explain myself for doing that 


There's no need to explain that in the thread because there's no rule stopping us from doing that. I don't post it for appreciation I posted it for the contest. If you appreciate my artwork, I would be pleased! But if not, it's just fine, I cannot force people to like my artwork we have different kind of taste with regards to an artwork.

I understand if you didn't like my painting, we have a different perspective in terms of appreciating an art. Still, I gave my 100% to that, and I hope you can understand that. Just because it's old artwork, it doesn't mean I don't put effort into it.

Those who publish their old work may deliberately not explain if the work has been published. Because they think they will definitely get more appreciation. Meanwhile, for works that are actually just made a little, they get an appreciation. The jury must be more selective in determining who deserves to be a winner.

Added to the gallery today:

@bharal07 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53076938
@Altcoinlog https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53092433
@oregondreams https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53084086
@ADAMA_NOW https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53004703

1) According to https://www.copyright.com/blog/plagiarism-vs-copyright-infringement/

"Plagiarism ≠ Copyright Infringement
Traditionally, the two notions of plagiarism and copyright infringement have been associated with one another. If it’s plagiarism, it must be copyright infringement, and vice-versa. However, this is simply not true. A case may not be considered infringement because it has followed a fair use protocol, but may still be classed as plagiarism. On the flipside, a case of clear copyright infringement may not fall into the plagiarism category because attribution has been given.

So, let me try again to answer the question clearly. What is the difference between plagiarism and copyright infringement? The two occupy different spaces that run parallel with one another. The only way to determine whether something constitutes plagiarism or infringement rests on what issue it is you are trying to address."

2) (...staff artists and writers...) don't subtract what you want from context

OK, so once again: If i didn't gave credits to the base image for 1 day, how do we handle this case? Do I get a merit cut, or I get negative trust for eternity?

EDIT:
Since plagiarism (a term so interpretable) is used way too often as an excuse to give negative trust and ban people around this forum, way too many Legendaries (OGs) give merit rewards to others if they prove others did plagiarism because they just suspect this (a form of persecution). Since this forum is about cryptocurrency (a privacy thing) but you have no privacy since every move, every post is recorded and stored somewhere out there. Since every time someone is accusing you of something, you must prove you are not guilty and not other way around (they should prove you are guilty) I just find this forum too centralized, too communist and... just a waste of my time so consider this is my last post.

EDIT2
Changed my mind...

I'd love for you to post a link to where I downloaded the background on my 1st entry and put a trophy on top of it?  

Do you have anything to say about my 2nd entry?
(shameless plugs )

Yours came from: https://www.freedommag.org/special-reports/new-yorker/caption-the-cartoon/the-last-supper.html
Where it says below the image:

1) Stock imagery is used all the time, various images online have various usage rights. A free public domain image that has no usage rights and is free for personal or commercial use, IMO, does not necessarily require credits in this situation. A stock image could depend on the type of usage rights a person has been granted when acquiring it. You appear to be getting into copyright infringement, which I think is worse than generalized plagiarism, as you are defining it. The two terms could go hand in hand but there are some differences.

2) It appears to me that "staff artists" created the image, as per my comment above. Da Vinci's stuff is in the public domain and I personally wouldn't consider it plagiarism nor copyright infringement.

In my opinion, users should warn from the very beginning when they publishing their old paintings, that have been done before the contest, because it certainly places other participants in unequal positions.

Otherwise some talented cryptocurrency artist may show old works and win without making any effort during the current competition.

For example, one member received 165 merit at this moment for the picture which has been painted and sold in 2018.

Why don't you put the entire presentation of @othell_rogue, which is: "Salut! Eu sunt Bogdan din Pitesti, dar acum locuiesc in Spania impreuna cu familia." meaning "I am from Pitesti (Romania) but I live in Spain with my family". Anyway there are maybe hundreds of thousands of first names Bogdan in Romania as you can check on wiki. The name Bogdan in here is like John in the USA, means nothing. Regarding the address I explained once above.


OK, after one day. Happy?! I edited more than once so maybe I said minutes and maybe were hours. Maybe I don't remember which one waas the first.


Acording to wikipedia.org Plagiarism is: "Plagiarism is the "wrongful appropriation" and "stealing and publication" of another author's "language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions" and the representation of them as one's own original work.[1][2]"

So:
1) If someone from the contest used someone else image (even stock image) or idea should be considered plagiarism. There is no "true plagiarism" or "little plagiarism" there is only plagiarism. And if I look on the entries of the contest 90% are plagiarized.

2) The image I downloaded from freedommag.org made by an unknown artist is also plagiarized since he used da Vinci's idea (the last supper).
In my personal case, if using the image of someone who plagiarized da Vinci without giving credits is consider plagiarism, then I plagiarized the "unknown plagiarist" for 1 day (between the post and the added credits edit) so please ask a moderator/admin to remove all the merits received between or subtract them from the contest if removing them is not possible. My mistake, I can accept it.

Theymos said make an art about bitcointalk.org  some of the participants proven downloaded and used materials from internet and make a collage or something art out of it. I think those given merits by theymos that used this substance could be accepted since He doesn't specify much context rules regarding the contest.

Why would he give some huge merit right? Meaning the art he saw is good for him. But some people really do an amazing art of their own which is totally awesome and clearly their own piece. Anyway, the contest is almost near to its end and let us wish those deserving winners to received their fair share to it.

Hoping too win, also with my entries.

I have seen other members submitting their coldkey designs to 10th anniversary art contest. And I think it is okay since the art contest from yogg is demanding members to design their coldkey based on the the things that reminded them of the forum itself which is also a key requirement for 10th anniversary art contest.

I am not an artist but since theymos did not specify what form of art should be posted, I think coldkey design can be submitted as long as it is your original artwork.

With 2 contests running at the same time, "10th anniversary art contest" and "[CONTEST] Design the 10 years of Bitcointalk commemorative Coldkey ($500+ prize)", can a user submit the exact same art/design without any modification/improvisation? Yogg who runs the Coldkey contest did say entries in the 10th anniversary art contest can be used in coldkey contest with adaptations/modifications. My 1st entry in the coldkey contest was based on my 1st entry in the 10th anniversary art contest. I need opinions if I can use the final art/design entries submitted in coldkey contest be submitted in the 10th anniversary art contest.

Profile that has received 20 Merits from you yesterday at once, uses the same Bitcoin address, has the same name as yours and from Romania like yourself.

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