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Topic: Re: Fees for full nodes? - page 5. (Read 8464 times)

legendary
Activity: 2282
Merit: 1023
September 20, 2015, 04:46:43 AM
#10
I support the idea of small fee for full nodes. After all the full nodes are helping to store all the data which is growing very fast- when I first started the blockchain was only <10GB, now it is approaching 40GB.
legendary
Activity: 1078
Merit: 1024
September 19, 2015, 09:07:07 PM
#9
I wish people would stop peddling financial solutions to technical problems. We all buy the latest car, iPhone, laptop or TV because of the money it makes for us, right? We all update our OS, firmware and disks because the newer it is, the more money it makes for us, yes?

No? If I understand your argument correctly, it cannot be applied to running a node since it can't possibly "make us" money.
No you haven't understood correctly. I'm saying that if the model behind the theory of what financial incentives would make a gazillion people start running nodes all of a sudden was true, then people would only buy the above mentioned stuff if it made them money.

What it will actually do is make money for a small number of people who know what a node is and already run them. It is rentier wannabes wanting to get in on the miner monopoly by creating their own little fiefdom and who can blame them? Why should miners get all the cash?

If you really want people to run nodes, then make running a node an inherent part of participating in the network-no full node, no access to bitcoin. That is the technical solution and doesn't rely on assumed greed or allow gaming of the system.

Bitcoin is meant to provide currency/exchange freedom.
By requiring everyone to run a full node, you are limiting the amount of potential users, which is harmful for a peer to peer system.
Not everybody has access to good bandwidth or storage.
full member
Activity: 219
Merit: 102
September 19, 2015, 08:23:33 PM
#8
I wish people would stop peddling financial solutions to technical problems. We all buy the latest car, iPhone, laptop or TV because of the money it makes for us, right? We all update our OS, firmware and disks because the newer it is, the more money it makes for us, yes?

No? If I understand your argument correctly, it cannot be applied to running a node since it can't possibly "make us" money.
No you haven't understood correctly. I'm saying that if the model behind the theory of what financial incentives would make a gazillion people start running nodes all of a sudden was true, then people would only buy the above mentioned stuff if it made them money.

What it will actually do is make money for a small number of people who know what a node is and already run them. It is rentier wannabes wanting to get in on the miner monopoly by creating their own little fiefdom and who can blame them? Why should miners get all the cash?

If you really want people to run nodes, then make running a node an inherent part of participating in the network-no full node, no access to bitcoin. That is the technical solution and doesn't rely on assumed greed or allow gaming of the system.
legendary
Activity: 1078
Merit: 1024
September 19, 2015, 07:47:17 PM
#7
I wish people would stop peddling financial solutions to technical problems. We all buy the latest car, iPhone, laptop or TV because of the money it makes for us, right? We all update our OS, firmware and disks because the newer it is, the more money it makes for us, yes?

No? If I understand your argument correctly, it cannot be applied to running a node since it can't possibly "make us" money.
full member
Activity: 219
Merit: 102
September 19, 2015, 07:26:33 PM
#6
I wish people would stop peddling financial solutions to technical problems. We all buy the latest car, iPhone, laptop or TV because of the money it makes for us, right? We all update our OS, firmware and disks because the newer it is, the more money it makes for us, yes?
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1001
https://gliph.me/hUF
September 19, 2015, 07:59:29 AM
#5
[...]  If not then maybe I would be wise to switch to an SVP wallet instead.

What would happen if everyone did? Food for thought: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Full_node#Why_should_you_run_a_full_node.3F
legendary
Activity: 1078
Merit: 1024
September 18, 2015, 02:07:19 PM
#4
It doesn't matter how much money it costs you for others.
Having good hardware doesn't have much of an impact on the quality of your node either.
Good internet speed does though.

You can check how https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/incentive/ as it might interest you.
hero member
Activity: 709
Merit: 503
September 18, 2015, 01:03:10 PM
#3
It costs me real money to run a full node.  Besides the extra wear and tear on my gear, the full node software consumes memory, disk space, bandwidth, and processing power which generates heat that has to be dealt with driving up my cooling costs.  I would like to be compensated for this expense.

I have a pretty powerful processor with fast and large memory and SSD.  I have a pretty high speed link.  Clients of my full node benefit.

Perhaps there is no hope of getting compensated.  If not then maybe I would be wise to switch to an SVP wallet instead.
legendary
Activity: 1078
Merit: 1024
September 18, 2015, 12:45:19 PM
#2
How would one go about getting the software implemented to charge for the high quality full node services I provide?

Not sure why you bumped a topic from 2 years ago.

As for your service, I don't think it offers more than what is currently available for free.
If you could explain the difference between a "high quality" node and a normal node that could help me understand why you want to charge people.
hero member
Activity: 709
Merit: 503
September 18, 2015, 12:34:39 PM
#1
How would one go about getting the software implemented to charge for the high quality full node services I provide?
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