Topic: Re: My ignore list and my feedbacks and is Poker Player acceptable? (Read 1309 times)

I think so too. While we empathize with Yahoo, we shouldn't drag his health into discussions that don't need it.

🙆‍♀️ Isn't it too early for "Vawulence" advocacy, ehn engineer? Come to think of it, this forum has been relatively peaceful for longer time than when I newly joined. There were a lot of dramatist personas in the imbroglio I can't remember now. However, I do remember that many of them then were veteran members bickering at one another and literally drawing blood. We've relative peace now than before despite the little skirmishes here and there now. Let peace continue to reign.

What is happening in this forum? Why do you guys take everything personally? You guys are not competitors. So why do you guys keep continuing such shit? @Poker Player, Don't you think you are doing too much? You do not trust this guy, and you left the feedback. You should be done here. No? Why do you have to bump up those threads every few days and re-write your feedback? Don't get me wrong, but this doesn't make sense.

I have read through the link and noticed that the genesis of all this, is as results of disagreement, the proof tender or render by you and also by Royse is not what we have to continue to look for the fact or neither blame anyone, when we proceed to verify the fact of both of you it will end up pouring fuel on little flame of fire. So I'm appealing for both of you to subside your anger. And also avoid each other for a period of time.

That's not the point now. This is not just a drama between two people that don't like each other. The point now is if Royse777 fabricated the evidence to base the accusation that opens this thread, as I was told by PM by a Legendary member of the forum and as I after reviewing the screenshots also believe it was a gross manipulation of the screenshots.

I received this private message (Royse777's screenshot manipulation).

Let us try to cut off all this dramas here, because if this should be continue many people will also emulate these and starts, having haters as well. So all this disagreement have gotten to the point where everyone will let go. Poker has said that he never contacted Rose client, so let us forget about it and make peace between the bridges. This place is internet and it's very hard before we can know each other here, and knowing each other here the possibility is high. So let us have it in mind.

From my point of view, I see it so small that I consider it less than 1%, and as I know, obviously, that I have not contacted any of his clients, it is clear to me that he has manipulated the evidence, what I did not think is that he would be so stupid as to publish the screenshot with evidence of manipulation and that is why I did not even review it, apart from the fact that I know nothing about screenshot analysis.

Obviously you don't have to agree with me but I have clear answers.


I do believe it, as explained above.


It's not that I believe it, it's just that I know I haven't communicated with any of his clients.


Tiny possibility in my opinion, as said above.

I would just like to echo this. It's important to keep in mind that online communication can be easily manipulated and fabricated. It's also understandable that you have doubts about the credibility of the screenshot evidence, whether it was fabricated or not, and about the existence of the supposed client. The moment I read the alleged communication, I had my doubts about its credibility. But, even if the screenshots were genuine, there is no way to confirm the identity of the person on the other end. It could even have been that disgraced user naim027, who is still hanging around on the forum and has a history of some weird stuff like that.

Lately I've been making an effort to stay out of these types of reputation squabbles, it doesn't really serve the forum and often just turns into cliques of otherwise reputable forum members getting mud on their shoes.

But I do want to relay a story;  A couple of years ago I was offering a free escrow service, and largely due to my inexperience and naivety most of my clients turned out to be sellers of AWS mail accounts and the like, and their buyers.  As one might expect, things didn't go quite as smoothly as I hoped, and I realized I was dealing with some of the scummiest of scumbags on the forum.

But one particularly interesting thing happened during that time.  Someone took it upon themselves to make it really miserable for me to offer the service I was offering.  In the end I came to agree with intention of this unknown individual, but to this day I fume when I recall the method.  Again, I don't know who this person is, but someone started harassing me on Telegram with requests to provide escrow for some deals.  They would use these fake deals to waste my time, and the time of any seller they could get on the hook.  For a while there I was getting 4 or 5 of these time-wasting spams per week, from multiple Telegram accounts.

The point of the story is we don't know what these screenshots really reveal.  If they reveal anything!  After giving them some real consideration I have more questions than answers.  But I do have answers to these questions:  Do I believe Royse fabricated the screenshots?  Do I believe the claim that Poker Player communicated with the potential client?  Do I believe believe the "client" was real and not just a time-wasting bully?  The answer to all these questions is no, there's nothing to convince me otherwise.

As LoyceV mentioned, nothing can be proven by these screenshots.  They may look like they paint an ugly picture of one user undermining another, but there isn't nearly enough known to be sure.  And maybe, just maybe there's a small possibility that a third party is stirring the pot in the hopes to keep the drama alive.  I wouldn't put it past some of the drama queens on this forum.

When someone quotes his BS wondering what it's coming for, I see the quote. And when it's someone who's opinion I value, or when it's just totally misleading, I can't always stay out of the drama.

I see a contradiction here. If you have him on ignore, how come you respond to him with facts?   Well, that's just what I was talking about.

That sounds familiar, a certain Donator does the same to me, for years now. Once every few months, he posts some shit about me (preferrably when it's completely off-topic). Most people see right through it anyway, but once in a while, I respond with facts. That quiets him down for months again. Either way, I love having him on ignore. See my personal text

Regarding the self-moderated thread, I see that being the reviews in another there is nothing questionable, as Edwardard and LoyceV have commented.


No, LoyceV, I will not make that mistake again. I'm not going to put him on ignore again because since he's also a liar if he tells lies about me I won't be able to defend myself. In fact


things like this have been said in these threads after I defended myself. When he said that I was sending messages to his clients, as if I didn't have better things to do, everyone who commented took it for granted that it was true. I guess I won't need to start quoting here.

So I have realized that this is a mistake I will not make again. It's one thing to put someone on ignore because he's constantly trolling or something, but someone you've had reputation discussions with? Not a chance. I'm going to keep a close eye on him.

Then don't post there:
You can see no posts have been deleted. Self-moderation is great against spam.

---

---

My stance on the alledged messages: I saw a screenshot that looks like it came from Telegram. It may have actually happened, outside Bitcointalk. We can't know who sent it. So it proves nothing.

---

---

My advice: Move on!
@Royse777: ignore the other guy. Close your topic on him.
@Poker Player: ignore the other guy. Close your topic on him.
We get it, you don't like each other. That's okay. You're not supposed to like everyone on the internet.

^^This is excellent advice, Royse777, and I thought you did have a thicker skin than you're displaying so it's puzzling to me why he's getting under your skin so much and why you continue to engage and escalate things by slinging insults back at him.  Of course that's probably what I'd do myself, but I'd also get bored with it pretty quickly and then just let it go.  I think that's what you ought to do--and I'm intentionally not addressing any of Poker Player's or your points, just the drama between the two of you.

Yeah, like cryptohunter and his alt account brigade.  That was an example where threads were created about him in which he wasn't welcome to post.  It doesn't sound fair, but he had a habit of derailing every single thread he posted in.  Since it's not against the rules to do that, you've obviously taken the path many would and have created your own thread to rebut the accusations against you and whatever else.  Again, I think you ought to just keep a stiff upper lip but I wouldn't like to be attacked and then banned from defending myself either.

This sounds like stale-coffee issues, anyway.  It doesn't look like you've sullied your reputation since the Crypto Critique thing, so...

Although the campaign (application) thread made by Royse was self-moderated, users were never asked to post a review in that thread. Instead the reviews were posted in the mixero ann thread which is not self-moderated and there were some critical reviews too.

---

---

Also, I dont think Royse has ever deleted a useful post in his thread, whether it is against him or not?!. If he did, ppl could easily make a new thread asking for a reason. But I guess nobody has made such topics against him yet, ?!

It is simply that I received a PM alerting me that mixero could be a scam. I don't have much technical knowledge, therefore I can't give my opinion, what has caught my attention is that he makes the thread self-moderated.


And how would I know the content of the deleted posts? I might know the number of posts, but not the content of the posts.

Making it self-moderated gives rise to arbitrariness, another thing is that no one has written a really critical review and therefore has not been deleted, but the fact that it is self-moderated is a deterrent. I don't think people who have a bad review on mixero would post it there because they know it will be deleted, and the one who sent me the PM is one who could have posted it and didn't do it.

I'm not sure what's the problem here, you seems to exaggerated anything about him.

It's true someone can abuse in self moderated thread since he have a power to delete someone post, but can you show me which post he delete in his self moderated post? he doesn't delete anyone post since there's no details below the subject title.

It will be different if show he delete high quality post about criticism, you can drag that case here.

Talking about acceptable or unacceptable behavior.

Is this acceptable behavior?

[Full] Mixero bitcoin mixer| Review campaign| Application| 0.00175 btc reward

I mean, a self-moderated review campaign doesn't seem very acceptable to me. I understand that Royse777 self-moderates his campaign threads and other threads, but an honest campaign review should not be self-moderated, although as Royse777 is not honest I should not be so surprised.

The next one I have seen is not self-moderated:

[OPEN]🔥COINSLOTTY🔥 Review Campaign – Rewards From $60 to $70🔥

I understand your perspective. I do not believe the screenshot from Royse proves anything. As anyone can contact him on Telegram and make any claim. Can we consider this as valid evidence? I do not think so.


I do not believe a screen recording would be conclusive evidence either.


I am afraid moderators are unlikely to be able to help you with this. It may only be possible for admins, but I doubt they would want to become involved in the situation.

No, no, I am not going to PM any moderator. Whoever wants to believe me, and whoever doesn't, don't believe me. Time will put everyone in their place.

What is clear is that, answering the thread question, yes, my behavior is more than acceptable because I have not gotten myself into the messes that the lying, cowardly OP has gotten himself into.