I've had severe mental illness and I managed to get better and no longer take any medication. Anyone interested in how I did it can read my short essay if you cut and paste this link in your browser and press enter. Thanks
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Topic: RE: "The root causes of mental illness." (Read 2457 times)
I want people to be their highest power. That's all I meant, joint.
Now, state your point. I am intrigued.
Now, state your point. I am intrigued.
As you wish.
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My cause...: It is for every individual...
Every individual includes me, by the way.
Compared with...
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I'm sick of you saying you knows whats best and that you know how to live my life...etc. etc....
You're not god....
Though, to some extent, this is besides the point because the whole intended message of my mental illness thread is that people do, in fact, wield an incredible amount of power and that they have control over their lives.
Guess what I voted for in your poll?
While a lot of diagnosed people can deal with mental illness on their own, I think there's a range and the more extreme cases are largely physical, not environmental or social.
I've read a little bit about drugs like lithium and other antipsychotics, and they measure brain mass or how dense the dendrites are, and generally, if someone is having psychotic episodes, and they take these drugs, it seems to reduce the loss of neurons. (By psychotic episode, I mean hallucinations or times when people lose control of themselves.)
That seems logical to me. We're always losing neurons, and our brains adapt by reinforcing things we wish to remember. As we age, our thinking slows down -- as a middle aged person, I can attest to this -- but we remain intelligent and functional largely because we simply ignore a lot more stuff that we think doesn't matter.
So, my point here - some mental health is a physical, degenerative disease. Let's not get all mystical about it. It's just the brain losing matter. I suspect it's analogous older people losing muscle mass, or bone mass, or hair, or other cells. That's why old people suffer dementia more often than young people.
I don't know why so many teens get morose and into moody, dark music, like I did, but my inclination is to think it's something related to brain development. Maybe it's a combination of physical, social, and environmental factors.
I've read a little bit about drugs like lithium and other antipsychotics, and they measure brain mass or how dense the dendrites are, and generally, if someone is having psychotic episodes, and they take these drugs, it seems to reduce the loss of neurons. (By psychotic episode, I mean hallucinations or times when people lose control of themselves.)
That seems logical to me. We're always losing neurons, and our brains adapt by reinforcing things we wish to remember. As we age, our thinking slows down -- as a middle aged person, I can attest to this -- but we remain intelligent and functional largely because we simply ignore a lot more stuff that we think doesn't matter.
So, my point here - some mental health is a physical, degenerative disease. Let's not get all mystical about it. It's just the brain losing matter. I suspect it's analogous older people losing muscle mass, or bone mass, or hair, or other cells. That's why old people suffer dementia more often than young people.
I don't know why so many teens get morose and into moody, dark music, like I did, but my inclination is to think it's something related to brain development. Maybe it's a combination of physical, social, and environmental factors.
On 'the inability to cope.' If one believes that the most serious mental illnesses are a fabrication of the highest levels of the executive center or consciousness then you need to spend some time in the psych ward of the local hospital. Those are mostly people with real problems. Serious problems of structure and/or signaling of the brain.
Now, for non acute mental illness the inability to cope due to perception and expectations may be a factor. But to give a blanket explanation for mental illness is truly asinine.
Reading up on the workings of the brain begins to give one an idea of how easily the highest levels of consciousness can be persuaded and corrupted by various phenomenon that are not at all or not entirely under the control of consciousness.
What makes you think that 'problems of structure and/or signaling of the brain' are not caused by environmental factors? Sure there may be infections, tumors, and various other organic pathological vectors, but a lot of damage comes from the stresses of living in the modern age. Our brains have lots of functions. It seems to be the social functions that frighten 'normal' people the most. Man is a social animal and civilization needs to allow our socialization to evolve along with our economic and technological expectations. Wouldn't it be great if we addressed the actual cause rather just treat the symptoms? This one thing that I really commend FaceBook for attempting.Now, for non acute mental illness the inability to cope due to perception and expectations may be a factor. But to give a blanket explanation for mental illness is truly asinine.
Reading up on the workings of the brain begins to give one an idea of how easily the highest levels of consciousness can be persuaded and corrupted by various phenomenon that are not at all or not entirely under the control of consciousness.
That wasn't my argument. I have no idea how you got that out of my post. Save the flames for someone else.
Send me a pdf and I'll get it made into a pro looking book, then mail copy to an address of your choosing. It'll probably cost about 15-50 bucks depending on what type of quality (binding, etc).
Or you can buy it on Amazon. If you pm me I'll give you the link for the hardcopy or Kindle version. I also have a copy to loan on Kindle. 
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I want people to be their highest power. That's all I meant, joint.
Now, state your point. I am intrigued.
Now, state your point. I am intrigued.
My cause...: It is for every individual...
Interesting.
Dare I clarify the irony/hypocrisy?
There is no contradiction. I selfishly enjoy the liberation of others.
You seriously don't see the irony in what you said? Really?
Edit: I'll give you a hint. It involves something that you accused me of and condemned me for.
My cause...: It is for every individual...
Interesting.
Dare I clarify the irony/hypocrisy?
There is no contradiction. I selfishly enjoy the liberation of others.
That makes it sound like you jerk off to the "liberation of others".
It's worse than that-- he thinks his jerking off is what is liberating others.
I was wrong. Thank you.
you made 11 posts, then you made a user account more. sick bastard! please leave us alone, or at least use the same fucking account so we can ignore you.
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My cause...: It is for every individual...
Interesting.
Dare I clarify the irony/hypocrisy?
There is no contradiction. I selfishly enjoy the liberation of others.
That makes it sound like you jerk off to the "liberation of others".
It's worse than that-- he thinks his jerking off is what is liberating others.
My cause...: It is for every individual...
Interesting.
Dare I clarify the irony/hypocrisy?
There is no contradiction. I selfishly enjoy the liberation of others.
That makes it sound like you jerk off to the "liberation of others".
It is clearly not environmental or "organic" factors... it is the interaction between the two that causes behaviour (beneficial or not). Which you go on to assume for the rest of your post so I dunno maybe I am just nitpicking. Are you proposing that it is easier to change the environment than genetics/hormone levels/etc, therefore we should focus on that?
It's more than changing meds. It's about how we map our neuro-pathways. We can adapt them somewhat. Our brain has evolved to model others to at least survive, but beyond that our brains develop in ways we are only beginning to understand. Our culture is missing out by not valuing people over merit. If we all, I mean everyone, learned to see themselves in what they perceive as others, we would develop a social order based on commonality rather than otherness. We do that by allowing ourselves and our children to cultivate curiosity rather than force-feed knowledge. Everyone has tremendous capacity for skill if they are allowed to develop it, but the greatest potential we have evolved is to care about our family, tribe, and community. This is so simple, any sane person knows this. So why do we bog ourselves down with the trappings of social systems? It's because we bury our self-image that doesn't match what someone erroneously says we should conform to. They say that keen awareness of surroundings is not as valuable as memorizing the names of abstractions. We value left over right brain dominance, when they are equally powerful and we handicap the person forced to learn against his predisposition. We should teach both ways and value them equally.We need to rebuild society from the ground up and we will, someday. It won't happen in my lifetime, so I write about ways that someday we will. Maybe our progeny will someday see a world that faces problems together rather than create problems for each other.
Well I'd like to read one of your books where you examine this further. Designing a robust system is hard to say the least.
Send me a pdf and I'll get it made into a pro looking book, then mail copy to an address of your choosing. It'll probably cost about 15-50 bucks depending on what type of quality (binding, etc).
Cbeast:
I love the term mental illness. It sells a lot of books. Personally, I don't believe it exists. What we perceive as depression, delusion, ADD (bullshit), schizophrenia (most diagnoses are inconclusive), etc. is nothing but our inability to cope with our own weaknesses in helping each other.
Smoke you, you blind bigot.
The suffering I've seen from delusions and hallucinations can not be simply faked. To deny its existence is to admit you have no regard for these people, which I will not question.
he did not say faking. only that your delusions happen because you can't cope. he just rejects the term "mental illness", and replaces it with "inability to cope".I love the term mental illness. It sells a lot of books. Personally, I don't believe it exists. What we perceive as depression, delusion, ADD (bullshit), schizophrenia (most diagnoses are inconclusive), etc. is nothing but our inability to cope with our own weaknesses in helping each other.
Smoke you, you blind bigot.
The suffering I've seen from delusions and hallucinations can not be simply faked. To deny its existence is to admit you have no regard for these people, which I will not question.
now please fuck off this forum, you are useless, and nobody likes you here. if what you have postulated in a lot of other threads(that you are a grate guy IRL), you don't need this forum to like you either.
On 'the inability to cope.' If one believes that the most serious mental illnesses are a fabrication of the highest levels of the executive center or consciousness then you need to spend some time in the psych ward of the local hospital. Those are mostly people with real problems. Serious problems of structure and/or signaling of the brain.
Now, for non acute mental illness the inability to cope due to perception and expectations may be a factor. But to give a blanket explanation for mental illness is truly asinine.
Reading up on the workings of the brain begins to give one an idea of how easily the highest levels of consciousness can be persuaded and corrupted by various phenomenon that are not at all or not entirely under the control of consciousness.
That wasn't my argument. I have no idea how you got that out of my post. Save the flames for someone else.
It is clearly not environmental or "organic" factors... it is the interaction between the two that causes behaviour (beneficial or not). Which you go on to assume for the rest of your post so I dunno maybe I am just nitpicking. Are you proposing that it is easier to change the environment than genetics/hormone levels/etc, therefore we should focus on that?
It's more than changing meds. It's about how we map our neuro-pathways. We can adapt them somewhat. Our brain has evolved to model others to at least survive, but beyond that our brains develop in ways we are only beginning to understand. Our culture is missing out by not valuing people over merit. If we all, I mean everyone, learned to see themselves in what they perceive as others, we would develop a social order based on commonality rather than otherness. We do that by allowing ourselves and our children to cultivate curiosity rather than force-feed knowledge. Everyone has tremendous capacity for skill if they are allowed to develop it, but the greatest potential we have evolved is to care about our family, tribe, and community. This is so simple, any sane person knows this. So why do we bog ourselves down with the trappings of social systems? It's because we bury our self-image that doesn't match what someone erroneously says we should conform to. They say that keen awareness of surroundings is not as valuable as memorizing the names of abstractions. We value left over right brain dominance, when they are equally powerful and we handicap the person forced to learn against his predisposition. We should teach both ways and value them equally.We need to rebuild society from the ground up and we will, someday. It won't happen in my lifetime, so I write about ways that someday we will. Maybe our progeny will someday see a world that faces problems together rather than create problems for each other.
Well I'd like to read one of your books where you examine this further. Designing a robust system is hard to say the least.
It is clearly not environmental or "organic" factors... it is the interaction between the two that causes behaviour (beneficial or not). Which you go on to assume for the rest of your post so I dunno maybe I am just nitpicking. Are you proposing that it is easier to change the environment than genetics/hormone levels/etc, therefore we should focus on that?
It's more than changing meds. It's about how we map our neuro-pathways. We can adapt them somewhat. Our brain has evolved to model others to at least survive, but beyond that our brains develop in ways we are only beginning to understand. Our culture is missing out by not valuing people over merit. If we all, I mean everyone, learned to see themselves in what they perceive as others, we would develop a social order based on commonality rather than otherness. We do that by allowing ourselves and our children to cultivate curiosity rather than force-feed knowledge. Everyone has tremendous capacity for skill if they are allowed to develop it, but the greatest potential we have evolved is to care about our family, tribe, and community. This is so simple, any sane person knows this. So why do we bog ourselves down with the trappings of social systems? It's because we bury our self-image that doesn't match what someone erroneously says we should conform to. They say that keen awareness of surroundings is not as valuable as memorizing the names of abstractions. We value left over right brain dominance, when they are equally powerful and we handicap the person forced to learn against his predisposition. We should teach both ways and value them equally.We need to rebuild society from the ground up and we will, someday. It won't happen in my lifetime, so I write about ways that someday we will. Maybe our progeny will someday see a world that faces problems together rather than create problems for each other.
Well I'd like to read one of your books where you examine this further. Designing a robust system is hard to say the least.
It is clearly not environmental or "organic" factors... it is the interaction between the two that causes behaviour (beneficial or not). Which you go on to assume for the rest of your post so I dunno maybe I am just nitpicking. Are you proposing that it is easier to change the environment than genetics/hormone levels/etc, therefore we should focus on that?
It's more than changing meds. It's about how we map our neuro-pathways. We can adapt them somewhat. Our brain has evolved to model others to at least survive, but beyond that our brains develop in ways we are only beginning to understand. Our culture is missing out by not valuing people over merit. If we all, I mean everyone, learned to see themselves in what they perceive as others, we would develop a social order based on commonality rather than otherness. We do that by allowing ourselves and our children to cultivate curiosity rather than force-feed knowledge. Everyone has tremendous capacity for skill if they are allowed to develop it, but the greatest potential we have evolved is to care about our family, tribe, and community. This is so simple, any sane person knows this. So why do we bog ourselves down with the trappings of social systems? It's because we bury our self-image that doesn't match what someone erroneously says we should conform to. They say that keen awareness of surroundings is not as valuable as memorizing the names of abstractions. We value left over right brain dominance, when they are equally powerful and we handicap the person forced to learn against his predisposition. We should teach both ways and value them equally.We need to rebuild society from the ground up and we will, someday. It won't happen in my lifetime, so I write about ways that someday we will. Maybe our progeny will someday see a world that faces problems together rather than create problems for each other.
Atlas , do us and yourself a favor and finish off what you didn't do last time w/ the little stunt you pulled. Off yourself but find a deep dark cave to do it in so you'll never be found.
Mel's hole?
Atlas , do us and yourself a favor and finish off what you didn't do last time w/ the little stunt you pulled. Off yourself but find a deep dark cave to do it in so you'll never be found.
It is clearly not environmental or "organic" factors... it is the interaction between the two that causes behaviour (beneficial or not). Which you go on to assume for the rest of your post so I dunno maybe I am just nitpicking. Are you proposing that it is easier to change the environment than genetics/hormone levels/etc, therefore we should focus on that?
Cbeast:
I love the term mental illness. It sells a lot of books. Personally, I don't believe it exists. What we perceive as depression, delusion, ADD (bullshit), schizophrenia (most diagnoses are inconclusive), etc. is nothing but our inability to cope with our own weaknesses in helping each other.
Smoke you, you blind bigot.
The suffering I've seen from delusions and hallucinations can not be simply faked. To deny its existence is to admit you have no regard for these people, which I will not question.
he did not say faking. only that your delusions happen because you can't cope. he just rejects the term "mental illness", and replaces it with "inability to cope".I love the term mental illness. It sells a lot of books. Personally, I don't believe it exists. What we perceive as depression, delusion, ADD (bullshit), schizophrenia (most diagnoses are inconclusive), etc. is nothing but our inability to cope with our own weaknesses in helping each other.
Smoke you, you blind bigot.
The suffering I've seen from delusions and hallucinations can not be simply faked. To deny its existence is to admit you have no regard for these people, which I will not question.
now please fuck off this forum, you are useless, and nobody likes you here. if what you have postulated in a lot of other threads(that you are a grate guy IRL), you don't need this forum to like you either.
On 'the inability to cope.' If one believes that the most serious mental illnesses are a fabrication of the highest levels of the executive center or consciousness then you need to spend some time in the psych ward of the local hospital. Those are mostly people with real problems. Serious problems of structure and/or signaling of the brain.
Now, for non acute mental illness the inability to cope due to perception and expectations may be a factor. But to give a blanket explanation for mental illness is truly asinine.
Reading up on the workings of the brain begins to give one an idea of how easily the highest levels of consciousness can be persuaded and corrupted by various phenomenon that are not at all or not entirely under the control of consciousness.
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