Re: Updated Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns - page 221.

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Quote from: u9y42 on September 09, 2014, 11:18:07 AM

Quote from: pawel7777 on September 09, 2014, 10:30:56 AM

You're right, the rules doesn't state anything about alterations. But DB posted somewhere, that whoever does that, will be removed. Doog + BTCinfo seemed to take this as a legitimate instruction and chose to comply with it.

The fact is, DB broke the rules by making Doog and BTCinfo responsible for payouts (he was meant to do this, escrow was just to secure the funds and add confidence).

So again, Dooglus and Bitcoininformation have every right to close it early (not even to mention that 10BTC may not be sufficient).

I'm not against being paid earlier, given the circumstances have changed somewhat; but independently of what else happened, we did agree to advertise DicebBitco.in for a month, so I'm willing to do so, if they decide to go on with it. Also I wouldn't exactly say DB broke the rules by having Dooglus and Bitcoininformation handle payments - the coins were in escrow to handle any unforeseen events, and this sort of classifies, but it shouldn't give them the power to completely rewrite the rules of the campaign if they so choose.

Wrong, the coins were placed in escrow in case dicebitcoin did not/could not pay out. They have stated already they will not be paying out themselves, but instead escrow funds will be used. (a breach in contract)

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Quote from: pawel7777 on September 09, 2014, 10:30:56 AM

Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on September 09, 2014, 10:18:13 AM

Quote from: pawel7777 on September 09, 2014, 10:13:48 AM

So you and Doog have 100% control, why not end this bullshit and divide the funds proportionally to the rank (as I suggested somewhere above)? You have every right to do it.

Let's not get here yet, however contracts can be voided and I personally think this is an appropriate time to void the contract -- but there is no need:

I cannot find anything in the rules the prohibit modification or altering of the signature to add a disclaimer.

DiceBitco.in has later claimed that changing or altering it breaks the rules. However, as stated the rules do not prohibit modification. Contracts may not be altered unilaterally.

(BitcoinInformation and dooglus, please check email for longer response)

You're right, the rules doesn't state anything about alterations. But DB posted somewhere, that whoever does that, will be removed. Doog + BTCinfo seemed to take this as a legitimate instruction and chose to comply with it.

The fact is, DB broke the rules by making Doog and BTCinfo responsible for payouts (he was meant to do this, escrow was just to secure the funds and add confidence).

So again, Dooglus and Bitcoininformation have every right to close it early (not even to mention that 10BTC may not be sufficient).

That was my point exactly aswell: "DB broke the rules by making Doog and BTCinfo responsible for payouts"

The best course of action would be to:

1. Pay out all members for posts made in the next few days.
2. Return all unused funds to dicebitcoin.
3. If dicebitcoin want to continue their signature campaign they can make a new thread and have people join.

The contract was breached when they stated signature payouts will be made from escrowed funds. The signature campaign is officially in the hands of bitcoininformation and dooglus.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on September 09, 2014, 10:30:56 AM

You're right, the rules doesn't state anything about alterations. But DB posted somewhere, that whoever does that, will be removed. Doog + BTCinfo seemed to take this as a legitimate instruction and chose to comply with it.

The fact is, DB broke the rules by making Doog and BTCinfo responsible for payouts (he was meant to do this, escrow was just to secure the funds and add confidence).

So again, Dooglus and Bitcoininformation have every right to close it early (not even to mention that 10BTC may not be sufficient).

I'm not against being paid earlier, given the circumstances have changed somewhat; but independently of what else happened, we did agree to advertise DicebBitco.in for a month, so I'm willing to do so, if they decide to go on with it. Also, I wouldn't exactly say DB broke the rules by having Dooglus and Bitcoininformation handle payments - the coins were in escrow to handle any unforeseen events, and this sort of classifies, but it shouldn't give them the power to completely rewrite the rules of the campaign if they so choose.

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No I dont escrow anymore.

New campaign for dice.ninja:

Dice.ninja (Thread)
Payment period: bi-weekly
Minimum posts: 25 posts bi-weekly
Payments: based on rank
Miscellaneous: loyalty bonus: (consecutively weeks enrolled/2)*0.001
payment structure
Members - 0.03 bitcoin
Full Members - 0.04 bitcoin
Senior Members - 0.05 bitcoin
Hero Members - 0.07 bitcoin
Legendary Members - 0.08 bitcoin
Limited to 10 currently.

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Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on September 09, 2014, 10:18:13 AM

Quote from: pawel7777 on September 09, 2014, 10:13:48 AM

So you and Doog have 100% control, why not end this bullshit and divide the funds proportionally to the rank (as I suggested somewhere above)? You have every right to do it.

Let's not get here yet, however contracts can be voided and I personally think this is an appropriate time to void the contract -- but there is no need:

I cannot find anything in the rules the prohibit modification or altering of the signature to add a disclaimer.

DiceBitco.in has later claimed that changing or altering it breaks the rules. However, as stated the rules do not prohibit modification. Contracts may not be altered unilaterally.

(BitcoinInformation and dooglus, please check email for longer response)

You're right, the rules doesn't state anything about alterations. But DB posted somewhere, that whoever does that, will be removed. Doog + BTCinfo seemed to take this as a legitimate instruction and chose to comply with it.

The fact is, DB broke the rules by making Doog and BTCinfo responsible for payouts (he was meant to do this, escrow was just to secure the funds and add confidence).

So again, Dooglus and Bitcoininformation have every right to close it early (not even to mention that 10BTC may not be sufficient).

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Quote from: pawel7777 on September 09, 2014, 10:13:48 AM

So you and Doog have 100% control, why not end this bullshit and divide the funds proportionally to the rank (as I suggested somewhere above)? You have every right to do it.

Let's not get here yet, however contracts can be voided and I personally think this is an appropriate time to void the contract -- but there is no need:

I cannot find anything in the rules the prohibit modification or altering of the signature to add a disclaimer.

DiceBitco.in has later claimed that changing or altering it breaks the rules. However, as stated the rules do not prohibit modification. Contracts may not be altered unilaterally.

(BitcoinInformation and dooglus, please check email for longer response)

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Quote from: Mitchell on September 09, 2014, 09:47:52 AM

Quote from: pawel7777 on September 09, 2014, 09:46:02 AM

As long as you're on the list, you should be safe:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-fulldicebitcoin-make-the-most-out-of-your-sig-september-2014-758854

Dicebitcoin didn't remove any of you so nothing to worry about. And if he removes you later on, bitcoininformation + dooglus can still choose to pay you.

DiceBitco.in most likely left the forum. Didn't you follow the huge mess that happened? Anyway, we decided to enforce DiceBitco.in's rules, so if you have a signature that differs from the ones that DiceBitco.in provided, you will be kicked from the campaign and receive nothing.

So? That's still he's responsibility to remove participant's. Did you voluntarily put yourself in the position of campaign administrator? Will you also be verifying all the posts at the end of the month (if DB is gone) Huh

In my opinion, since DB has left and since he locked the official thread and instructed you two to pay from the escrowed funds - he's basically ruled himself out from being in charge. So you and Doog have 100% control, why not end this bullshit and divide the funds proportionally to the rank (as I suggested somewhere above)? You have every right to do it.

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I want to add a disclaimer to my signature:

Quote from: marcotheminer on September 09, 2014, 09:53:52 AM

Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on September 09, 2014, 09:52:13 AM

If an escrow provider has made the claim that the contract involved keeping the signature unaltered, then it seems the escrow provider hasn't read the thread.

Relevant rules:

* You must use the highest level of formatting (Color/size/etc) your user group allows to be applicable for the rates.
- Still applies if you add a disclaimer.

* Your signature must reflect your full user group rights.
- Still applies if you add a disclaimer.

* You may not advertise any other sites/threads. This includes non-paid for advertisements.
- define:advertise: "describe or draw attention to (a product, service, or event) in a public medium in order to promote sales or attendance."
A disclaimer relating to a scam is not 'promoting sales or attendance' and should not be considered advertising.

* You need to have the Dicebitco.in signature AT ALL TIMES you are enrolled. Fail to do so will void all/any outstanding payments owed to you. Dont try to cheat!
- Still applies if you add a disclaimer.

Am quoting this to send to bitcoininformation, will add a disclaimer once he decides.

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Quote from: marcotheminer on September 09, 2014, 09:47:59 AM

Just for clarification, if you used mine before when everyone didn't know what to do but now have changed back, you're fine!

Confirmed. Just be sure to change it back as soon as possible. And remember, other campaign signature aren't allowed.

Quote from: marcotheminer on September 09, 2014, 09:49:04 AM

Dooglus stated you will receive a quarter pay if you leave now.

Ah yes, I forgot to mention that, thank you marcotheminer. HOWEVER, this isn't a guarantee. We will pay people that dropped out now IF we have any BTC left.

Quote from: marcotheminer on September 09, 2014, 09:49:04 AM

As for dicebitcoin leaving the forum, what makes you believe he will return to make signature payouts Huh

Nothing. We will have to wait and see what happens.

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Quote from: Mitchell on September 09, 2014, 09:47:52 AM

Quote from: pawel7777 on September 09, 2014, 09:46:02 AM

As long as you're on the list, you should be safe:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-fulldicebitcoin-make-the-most-out-of-your-sig-september-2014-758854

Dicebitcoin didn't remove any of you so nothing to worry about. And if he removes you later on, bitcoininformation + dooglus can still choose to pay you.

DiceBitco.in most likely left the forum. Didn't you follow the huge mess that happened? Anyway, we decided to enforce DiceBitco.in's rules, so if you have a signature that differs from the ones that DiceBitco.in provided, you will be kicked from the campaign and receive nothing.

Dooglus stated you will receive a quarter pay if you leave now.

As for dicebitcoin leaving the forum, what makes you believe he will return to make signature payouts Huh

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Quote from: Mitchell on September 09, 2014, 09:45:48 AM

Quote from: chadwickx16 on September 09, 2014, 09:26:21 AM

So, if we had changed to Marco's altered sig, are we considered still in or out? I know based on the original rules, we would be out; but, given the current circumstances, could you give us an update?

If your signature differs from the one provided by DiceBitcoin, you will be out. So if you use Marco's altered signature you are out.

Just for clarification, if you used mine before when everyone didn't know what to do but now have changed back, you're fine!

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Quote from: pawel7777 on September 09, 2014, 09:46:02 AM

As long as you're on the list, you should be safe:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-fulldicebitcoin-make-the-most-out-of-your-sig-september-2014-758854

Dicebitcoin didn't remove any of you so nothing to worry about. And if he removes you later on, bitcoininformation + dooglus can still choose to pay you.

DiceBitco.in most likely left the forum. Didn't you follow the huge mess that happened? Anyway, we decided to enforce DiceBitco.in's rules, so if you have a signature that differs from the ones that DiceBitco.in provided, you will be kicked from the campaign and receive nothing.

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Quote from: chadwickx16 on September 09, 2014, 09:26:21 AM

So, if we had changed to Marco's altered sig, are we considered still in or out? I know based on the original rules, we would be out; but, given the current circumstances, could you give us an update?

As long as you're on the list, you should be safe:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-fulldicebitcoin-make-the-most-out-of-your-sig-september-2014-758854

Dicebitcoin didn't remove any of you so nothing to worry about. And if he removes you later on, bitcoininformation + dooglus can still choose to pay you.

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Quote from: chadwickx16 on September 09, 2014, 09:26:21 AM

So, if we had changed to Marco's altered sig, are we considered still in or out? I know based on the original rules, we would be out; but, given the current circumstances, could you give us an update?

If your signature differs from the one provided by DiceBitcoin, you will be out. So if you use Marco's altered signature you are out.

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So, if we had changed to Marco's altered sig, are we considered still in or out? I know based on the original rules, we would be out; but, given the current circumstances, could you give us an update?

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Quote from: Mitchell on September 09, 2014, 05:10:27 AM

I know about that arrangement macrotheminer, but if Dooglus and I need to pay people we will most likely stop counting after the maximum of 200 posts per month, since we have a very limited amount of funds.

I understand. The plan is that dicebitcoin pays out (the final test wether they want to continue the site, IMO)

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I know about that arrangement macrotheminer, but if Dooglus and I need to pay people we will most likely stop counting after the maximum of 200 posts per month, since we have a very limited amount of funds.

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Just posting this here for reference:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8558533

*quote not altered, screenshot available*

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i still 200 posts per month is more than fair, and to fully support this i wouldnt mind take a case-by-case anyone who will post more than 200 constructive posts per month while on campaign, and fully pay for it even if they exceed it.

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Quote from: Mitchell on September 09, 2014, 04:56:35 AM

-snip-

I know that it's a bit noobish, sorry for that. I use a different template right now. Anyway, the agreement states that the coins will be used if DiceBitco.in doesn't pay. A period isn't clearly stated, but we both knew it was meant for a month (should have written that down).

DiceBitco.in asked Dooglus and me to keep the coins for another month, which indicates that this arrangement is for a whole month.

Thanks for that. Well usually you dont expect something to go south.

While it is not explicitly stated, the arrangement is:
If they do not pay you pay, thus you have to wait for them to "not pay" which would be at the end of the month.

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Ok, thanks again @bitcoininformation for the fast news Wink

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PS: I've changed my sig. into the original .

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