Re: Updated Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns - page 222.

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Quote from: Mitchell on September 09, 2014, 04:56:35 AM

Quote from: shorena on September 09, 2014, 04:45:37 AM

What did your original arangement for escrow state? Did it state anything about the length of the campaign?

This is the Escrow contract that was sent to DiceBitco.in:

Quote from: bitcoininformation on July 30, 2014, 06:03:11 PM

BitcoinInformation Escrow

First Draft

30-07-2014

Basic Information
This message will be a binding contract between Dicebitco.in and BitcoinInformation, which ensures payment of campaign members which take part in the "[DiceBitco.in] [Make the most out of your sig!] Make coins by simply posting!"-campaign. BitcoinInformation will be send a specified amount of coins which will be used to pay campaign participants if Dicebitco.in defaults or disappears. If Dicebitco.in pays in time the coins will be returned.

Fee's
BitcoinInformation won't charge anything for this service, but donations are always welcome.

Amount of coins to hold onto
The coins that will be escrowed are 5BTC

Procedure
The agreed amount of coins that BitcoinInformation will hold onto will be send to the following address: 1ExgQhoWP9aEJrSYgHKRt9EF8Hwa8aFprF. Once received, BitcoinInformation will sign a message stating that he is in control of these coins to proof to the participants of the campaign that escrow has been done through BitcoinInformation.

BitcoinInformation will return the coins to Dicebitco.in, once they did there first payment. If they fail to do so, the coins will be used to reimburse the participants.

Agreement
If Dicebitco.in agrees with this contract he shall send the coins to the address specified above. If Dicebitco.in does not agree they are welcome to send suggestion to BitcoinInformation which will be used to improve this contract.

I know that it's a bit noobish, sorry for that. I use a different template right now. Anyway, the agreement states that the coins will be used if DiceBitco.in doesn't pay. A period isn't clearly stated, but we both knew it was meant for a month (should have written that down).

DiceBitco.in asked Dooglus and me to keep the coins for another month, which indicates that this arrangement is for a whole month.

Ok, so currently, it looks like dicebitcoin will be making payouts. If they fail to do so then bitcoinformation pays out using the escrowed funds. Got it.

Now what about going over the maximum posts (dicebitcoin assured that they would pay gladly if people went over - case by case)

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Quote from: shorena on September 09, 2014, 04:45:37 AM

What did your original arangement for escrow state? Did it state anything about the length of the campaign?

This is the Escrow contract that was sent to DiceBitco.in:

Quote from: bitcoininformation on July 30, 2014, 06:03:11 PM

BitcoinInformation Escrow

First Draft

30-07-2014

Basic Information
This message will be a binding contract between Dicebitco.in and BitcoinInformation, which ensures payment of campaign members which take part in the "[DiceBitco.in] [Make the most out of your sig!] Make coins by simply posting!"-campaign. BitcoinInformation will be send a specified amount of coins which will be used to pay campaign participants if Dicebitco.in defaults or disappears. If Dicebitco.in pays in time the coins will be returned.

Fee's
BitcoinInformation won't charge anything for this service, but donations are always welcome.

Amount of coins to hold onto
The coins that will be escrowed are 5BTC

Procedure
The agreed amount of coins that BitcoinInformation will hold onto will be send to the following address: 1ExgQhoWP9aEJrSYgHKRt9EF8Hwa8aFprF. Once received, BitcoinInformation will sign a message stating that he is in control of these coins to proof to the participants of the campaign that escrow has been done through BitcoinInformation.

BitcoinInformation will return the coins to Dicebitco.in, once they did there first payment. If they fail to do so, the coins will be used to reimburse the participants.

Agreement
If Dicebitco.in agrees with this contract he shall send the coins to the address specified above. If Dicebitco.in does not agree they are welcome to send suggestion to BitcoinInformation which will be used to improve this contract.

I know that it's a bit noobish, sorry for that. I use a different template right now. Anyway, the agreement states that the coins will be used if DiceBitco.in doesn't pay. A period isn't clearly stated, but we both knew it was meant for a month (should have written that down).

DiceBitco.in asked Dooglus and me to keep the coins for another month, which indicates that this arrangement is for a whole month.

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No I dont escrow anymore.

Quote from: marcotheminer on September 09, 2014, 04:25:43 AM

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First, I have changed my signature back to the original code. Please confirm im still in. (I altered it because you gave me an ok, bitcoininformation)

HOWEVER, why won't dicebitcoin be paying out signature participants at the end of the period? They started the thread buying people's signatures so they must pay us, not bitcoininformation OR dooglus. (then the escrowed 10BTC can be sent back)

Additionally, I am already over the maximum (dicebitcoin was aware of this and I understood that it was alright).

This is just my personal opinion: I think they are done with this board. The way the users reacted on the faulty code and mateo was very destructive. So many jumped to conclusions and made fun of dicebitco.in in the dirt. Ive seen a different and ugly face of plenty users yesterday and its contemptible. I have no idea what happend, neither do you. Think about what you would have done in their place. A scammer would be gone the second the shit starts to hit the fan IMHO. Now imagine your dream in the dirt, shat upon because you made a mistake. Would you go back and sit through another 3 weeks with this community?

You signed up for a month, you stick with them for a month or you get no payment. The way your signature was you technically dropped out anyway.

Quote from: Mitchell on September 09, 2014, 04:38:52 AM

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We have been thinking of paying out right now, but, well, DiceBitco.in clearly states that we need to pay at the end of the period (which is at the end of this month). I, personally, prefer to payout right now, but we aren't sure what we should do. I will talk with Dooglus about as soon as he gets online.

What did your original arangement for escrow state? Did it state anything about the length of the campaign?

Quote from: marcotheminer on September 09, 2014, 04:43:48 AM

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I see. But you need to contact dicebitcoin ASAP and ask if they will payout at the end of the month OR if they expect you to use the escrowed funds. IF they tell you to use the escrow funds then you can pay out right now (as they clearly don't want to payout the full amounts). Please keep us updated.

No, bitcoininformation and doog need to honor the original arangement. Thats what you setup escrow for. If escrow could do "what they think is best", they would not be reliable.

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Quote from: Mitchell on September 09, 2014, 04:38:52 AM

Quote from: marcotheminer on September 09, 2014, 04:37:00 AM

Its all good now.

Thank you, sorry for being a pain in the ass.

Quote from: marcotheminer on September 09, 2014, 04:37:00 AM

What I dont understand is why we dont do this:

Pay out all members right now, terminating the campaign. (if necessary at a reduced rate)

Then, if they want, dicebitoin can relaunch the campaign if they want to run it for another month.

This will prevent a lack of funds (because it seems dicebitcoin doesnt want to payout but instead wants to use the escrow funds straight away)

We have been thinking of paying out right now, but, well, DiceBitco.in clearly states that we need to pay at the end of the period (which is at the end of this month). I, personally, prefer to payout right now, but we aren't sure what we should do. I will talk with Dooglus about as soon as he gets online.

I see. But you need to contact dicebitcoin ASAP and ask if they will payout at the end of the month OR if they expect you to use the escrowed funds. IF they tell you to use the escrow funds then you can pay out right now (as they clearly don't want to payout the full amounts). Please keep us updated.

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Quote from: marcotheminer on September 09, 2014, 04:37:00 AM

Its all good now.

Thank you, sorry for being a pain in the ass.

Quote from: marcotheminer on September 09, 2014, 04:37:00 AM

What I dont understand is why we dont do this:

Pay out all members right now, terminating the campaign. (if necessary at a reduced rate)

Then, if they want, dicebitoin can relaunch the campaign if they want to run it for another month.

This will prevent a lack of funds (because it seems dicebitcoin doesnt want to payout but instead wants to use the escrow funds straight away)

We have been thinking of paying out right now, but, well, DiceBitco.in clearly states that we need to pay at the end of the period (which is at the end of this month). I, personally, prefer to payout right now, but we aren't sure what we should do. I will talk with Dooglus about as soon as he gets online.

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Quote from: Mitchell on September 09, 2014, 04:32:24 AM

Quote from: marcotheminer on September 09, 2014, 04:25:43 AM

First, I have changed my signature back to the original code. Please confirm im still in. (I altered it because you gave me an ok, bitcoininformation)

HOWEVER, why won't dicebitcoin be paying out signature participants at the end of the period? They started the thread buying people's signatures so they must pay us, not bitcoininformation OR dooglus. (then the escrowed 10BTC can be sent back)

Additionally, I am already over the maximum (dicebitcoin was aware of this and I understood that it was alright).

Your signature isn't correct yet. And yes, I know I said it was okay, because I thought we had to payout right then and there, but we need to continue the campaign till the end of the period.

I have no idea why he asked us to do it, but we will have to do it if he/they don't, so we prefer to be prepared.

Its all good now. What I dont understand is why we dont do this:

Pay out all members right now, terminating the campaign. (if necessary at a reduced rate)

Then, if they want, dicebitoin can relaunch the campaign if they want to run it for another month.

This will prevent a lack of funds (because it seems dicebitcoin doesnt want to payout but instead wants to use the escrow funds straight away)

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Quote from: marcotheminer on September 09, 2014, 04:25:43 AM

First, I have changed my signature back to the original code. Please confirm im still in. (I altered it because you gave me an ok, bitcoininformation)

HOWEVER, why won't dicebitcoin be paying out signature participants at the end of the period? They started the thread buying people's signatures so they must pay us, not bitcoininformation OR dooglus. (then the escrowed 10BTC can be sent back)

Additionally, I am already over the maximum (dicebitcoin was aware of this and I understood that it was alright).

Your signature isn't correct yet. And yes, I know I said it was okay, because I thought we had to payout right then and there, but we need to continue the campaign till the end of the period.

I have no idea why he asked us to do it, but we will have to do it if he/they don't, so we prefer to be prepared.

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Quote from: Mitchell on September 08, 2014, 01:49:14 PM

Hello everyone,

Dooglus and BitcoinInformation here. We have talked a bit and decided that we will be enforcing the rules set by DiceBitco.in. If you want to advertise the site, you can, but decide for yourself. If you think it's a scam, and you don't want to advertise a scam, then change your signature. Hower, you most likely won't get paid, since you are breaking the campaign rules. This also means that changed signature's are invalid!

If we have coins left at the end of this period, we will pay those who dropped out now for being in the campaign for a week. We have send DiceBitco.in a PM asking if we could do an early payout, because the current arregement isn't optimal.

We will keep you all updated!

Kind Regards,
Dooglus and BitcoinInformation

First, I have changed my signature back to the original code. Please confirm im still in. (I altered it because you gave me an ok, bitcoininformation)

HOWEVER, why won't dicebitcoin be paying out signature participants at the end of the period? They started the thread buying people's signatures so they must pay us, not bitcoininformation OR dooglus. (then the escrowed 10BTC can be sent back)

Additionally, I am already over the maximum (dicebitcoin was aware of this and I understood that it was alright).

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ACCOUNT BANNED. Email in sig!!

Lightlord still hasn't paid me yet! Don't trust this scammer

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Quote from: Mitchell on May 19, 2014, 09:30:31 AM

Changelog:

Code:

8-Aug-2014: DiceBitco.in has been removed.
3-Sep-2014: Rollin.IO removed since they stopped their campaign. MoneyPot has been added. MoneyPot is now full.

Minor correction - it should read 8-Sep-2014

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Quote from: DiceBitcoin on September 08, 2014, 03:47:07 PM

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As for the fact if the rolls [of Mateo] are legit or not, come and test for yourself. i repeated countless times, we did a rollback on admin server, to our push, and we tripple checked everything.
...

I would be interested in computing some statistics on Mateo's play.

Could you please make available the data for his bets ?
If not, could you just tell me now many bets he placed, and how many of them were winning bets?
If I remember well, all his bets had probability of winning 0.4950, no?

If it turns out that his winning streak was extremely unlikely,
then it is possible that he was exploiting some bug in the site's code?

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Quote from: DiceBitcoin on September 08, 2014, 03:47:07 PM

I logged in just because dooglus PMed me a legit question.

If you change or alter the signature in any way, you will not be entitled to payment. Those are the signature rules. Its your choice to drop if you wish, and get paid nothing. Calling the site fraudulent though makes no sense, when we processed all payouts, we didnt keep a single BTC, and paid from our own stash. We had the opportunity to run with 7.5k coins, and we didnt. How stupid is to put a cheating method in nonce, where EVERYONE can check it, when you could simply rape a 7.5k bankroll..? others call us "mateo". If we were mateo, wouldn't it be wiser to use that card yesterday, before the shitstort, before the refunds OR even like when BR was 3~4k+ coins? looks wise to you to wait for the BR to stabilize @ ~500 BR and hit it? Dont bother answering me, i know the answer. As for the fact if the rolls are legit or not, come and test for yourself. i repeated countless times, we did a rollback on admin server, to our push, and we tripple checked everything.

As said, im not here to argue with anyone, just to make a statement for bitcoininfo and dooglus. 10 BTC will be more than enough to pay everyone, even if they were reaching max post.

Regards.

thx for the statement.i was beginning to wonder what will happen to the campaign after yesterday.nice u keep it on

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Get ready for PrimeDice Sig Campaign!

What the hell is happening with DiceBitcoin!!! No "employees" should have access to dicebitcoin provably fair system, and I seriously doubt that there is more employees. Running an online casino does not require more than 1 employee, except for maybe some mods.

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cross-post from other thread. What do you think of the idea?

Quote from: pawel7777 on September 08, 2014, 04:26:24 PM

Quote from: DiceBitcoin on September 08, 2014, 11:41:44 AM

Quote from: marcotheminer on September 08, 2014, 11:29:35 AM

Quote from: pawel7777 on September 08, 2014, 11:28:00 AM

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Note 5: dooglus and bitcoininformation, please proseed with payments for the sig campaign when it expires. You both have from 5 BTC in escrow from me. If people change their signature, or the funds are more than i sent you, you can keep them as a thank you for the service.

What's the fucking point of wearing the sigs for the next 3 weeks? If everyone hit the max post count, the 10 BTC won't be sufficient, we should cancel the campaign and divide the funds proportionally to ranks.

Dooglus, Bitcoininformation, any thoughts?

That's the best possible route to take currently. We need a response ASAP. (maybe even add a little extra for everyone if there is enough, for all the trouble and so the 10btc get distributed fairly)

last month with 100 ppl and higher rates, we paid ~12 btc in total. now rates are lower and post count less. 10 btc are enough to cover it.

OK. Lets be serious

You decided to call it a day and give up on DB, I understand, don't blame you for the decision. But why the hell do you want us to carry on with the signatures till the end of the month?

Can't you just give both Dooglus and Bitcoininformation a 'green light' to pay everyone sooner? I suggest giving both of them 0.25 for their trouble, and divide the remaining 9.5BTC proportionally to the rank (it's not complicated, I can do the calculation if needed).

In such scenario, everyone should be happy, people would generally get paid slightly less then when reaching max post count, but would be paid sooner and with no further need of posting. Dooglus + Bitcoininformation would get the whole escrow sorted sooner (+would get paid a little) and you wouldn't have to do all the posts verification. Everybody wins.

Sounds reasonable?

Ps I won't have much trouble in reaching the max post count (and I don't spam and am not very active), if other hit the max too, then 10BTC is not enough. If that happens - it's gonna get pretty messed up + there's a risk that Doog and BTCinformation will end up (involuntarily) being responsible for verification of posts.

EDIT: If everyone reaches max post count, it would total 18 BTC

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#Free market

Quote from: dooglus on September 08, 2014, 03:49:32 PM

Quote from: redsn0w on September 08, 2014, 03:31:44 PM

But it is an error to promote a "failure" site ? The sig. campaign goes in parallel to the promoter site or is it an error ?

I've seen no proof that the site is "failed". It's still running, and they say the issues have been resolved.

So the site is not failed , oh perfect ! I keep the signature Wink

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Thanks for the fast response @dicebitco.in

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Quote from: redsn0w on September 08, 2014, 03:31:44 PM

But it is an error to promote a "failure" site ? The sig. campaign goes in parallel to the promoter site or is it an error ?

I've seen no proof that the site is "failed". It's still running, and they say the issues have been resolved.

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I logged in just because dooglus PMed me a legit question.

If you change or alter the signature in any way, you will not be entitled to payment. Those are the signature rules. Its your choice to drop if you wish, and get paid nothing. Calling the site fraudulent though makes no sense, when we processed all payouts, we didnt keep a single BTC, and paid from our own stash. We had the opportunity to run with 7.5k coins, and we didnt. How stupid is to put a cheating method in nonce, where EVERYONE can check it, when you could simply rape a 7.5k bankroll..? others call us "mateo". If we were mateo, wouldn't it be wiser to use that card yesterday, before the shitstort, before the refunds OR even like when BR was 3~4k+ coins? looks wise to you to wait for the BR to stabilize @ ~500 BR and hit it? Dont bother answering me, i know the answer. As for the fact if the rolls are legit or not, come and test for yourself. i repeated countless times, we did a rollback on admin server, to our push, and we tripple checked everything.

As said, im not here to argue with anyone, just to make a statement for bitcoininfo and dooglus. 10 BTC will be more than enough to pay everyone, even if they were reaching max post.

Regards.

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Maybe you should split the 10 btc equally and give them to the enrolled members.

EDIT: I didn't know that the site was still working Cheesy

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#Free market

Quote from: Mitchell on September 08, 2014, 02:33:14 PM

Quote from: tspacepilot on September 08, 2014, 02:23:45 PM

See, this is where I'm obviously confused, I thought that just above you were saying "marco, you're fine" which I interpreted as meaning that you approved of his change. I don't know what's happening, obviously.

I approved of it because I thought we had to pay today, which isn't true. I misinterpreted what DiceBitco.in said.
Just to be clear, Dooglus and I are enforcing the signature campaign rules, which means that you have to use their signature.

//Only a question

But it is an error to promote a "failure" site ? The sig. campaign goes in parallel to the promoter site or is it an error ?

// I'm only asking,

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Quote from: tspacepilot on September 08, 2014, 02:23:45 PM

See, this is where I'm obviously confused, I thought that just above you were saying "marco, you're fine" which I interpreted as meaning that you approved of his change. I don't know what's happening, obviously.

I approved of it because I thought we had to pay today, which isn't true. I misinterpreted what DiceBitco.in said.
Just to be clear, Dooglus and I are enforcing the signature campaign rules, which means that you have to use their signature.

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