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newbie
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December 31, 2013, 01:55:51 AM
#48
Your enterprise will probably be cannibalized by the Bilderberg whether you like it or not. I wish it were not so, but look at where the internet went...straight into the nutsack of the New Stasi. No reason to believe this will be any different, pleasantly surprise me if I'm wrong though.

I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.

Seriously though - do you think the powers that be will crush Bitcoin under their heel or embrace it?  It is interesting that although the internet is resistant to censorship and thus people can openly expose various conspiracies, not much can be done with the information as far as prosecution goes.  So there really is little for the power structure to fear.  In fact, they now have an exceptional tool for monitoring and attacking adversaries.  Will they recognize that Bitcoin can also play into their continued global dominance?  Unknown.

If the political and financial elite can find a way to profit from and use bitcoin to increase their political control, then yes they will co-opt it. 
newbie
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December 31, 2013, 01:50:39 AM
#47

Great post jballs, but I fear it will fall mostly on deaf ears.  You see most of the bitcoin true believers are 20 somethings who have never traded professionally or for an extended period of time for that matter.  They have never traded during a speculative bubble like the late 90's tech bubble or the 2008 oil bubble.  They think they have everything figured out and that older people have no idea what they are talking and nothing to add to the conversation.

They think bitcoin will take over the world in short order and render the dollar, euro, yen, gold, Fed, ECB, BOJ, investment banks, hedge funds, stock and bond markets completely obsolete and useless.  According to them bitcoin does not follow any of the old rules of trading.  Charts, technical analysis, risk management, profit taking, trading experience are completely worthless.  Bitcoin is a completely new animal.  In short, "this time its different."

Jesse Livermore, one of the greatest speculators of all time, once said, "There is nothing new in speculating.  There can't be because speculation is as old as the hills.  Whatever happens in financial markets today has happened before and will happen again."

You couldn't be further from the truth.

And as to Livermore, I read his book. He was a smart kid that failed to overcome a gambling addiction and ultimately committed suicide.

I couldn't be further from the truth about what?

Please enlighten me about what kind of gambling addiction?
  
sr. member
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December 31, 2013, 01:49:54 AM
#46
Your enterprise will probably be cannibalized by the Bilderberg whether you like it or not. I wish it were not so, but look at where the internet went...straight into the nutsack of the New Stasi. No reason to believe this will be any different, pleasantly surprise me if I'm wrong though.

I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.

Seriously though - do you think the powers that be will crush Bitcoin under their heel or embrace it?  It is interesting that although the internet is resistant to censorship and thus people can openly expose various conspiracies, not much can be done with the information as far as prosecution goes.  So there really is little for the power structure to fear.  In fact, they now have an exceptional tool for monitoring and attacking adversaries.  Will they recognize that Bitcoin can also play into their continued global dominance?  Unknown.
member
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December 31, 2013, 01:49:00 AM
#45


Great post jballs, but I fear it will fall mostly on deaf ears.  You see most of the bitcoin true believers are 20 somethings who have never traded professionally or for an extended period of time for that matter.  They have never traded during a speculative bubble like the late 90's tech bubble or the 2008 oil bubble.  They think they have everything figured out and that older people have no idea what they are talking and nothing to add to the conversation.

They think bitcoin will take over the world in short order and render the dollar, euro, yen, gold, Fed, ECB, BOJ, investment banks, hedge funds, stock and bond markets completely obsolete and useless.  According to them bitcoin does not follow any of the old rules of trading.  Charts, technical analysis, risk management, profit taking, trading experience are completely worthless.  Bitcoin is a completely new animal.  In short, "this time its different."

Jesse Livermore, one of the greatest speculators of all time, once said, "There is nothing new in speculating.  There can't be because speculation is as old as the hills.  Whatever happens in financial markets today has happened before and will happen again."


True enough. I ponder if I was that arrogant when I was 20. Probably, but I did have mentors who I respected and learned from, only reason I haven't followed Livermore into the coat room. Also I have a 30ish trading partner who is on the cusp still so I'm familiar with the hubris. I still have to yank his leash 3-4 times a month to keep him out of the fire.

A fun statistical ratio would be the number of supremely confident 20-somethings vs. the number of extremely wealthy 40-somethings, 20 years later.

 Shocked

hero member
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December 31, 2013, 01:41:45 AM
#44
For the newbies, a point of clarification.

The architecture of bitcoin is a radical departure from most of the financial world, but not all of it. In absolute terminology, they are a structured derivative. Most likely if they survive (I am betting they will), they will ultimately be absorbed into the financial industry as that product type.

While "swapping paper back and forth" is a useful metaphor, the fact is virtually all derivatives and currencies are already digital. I have not ever in my two decades actively trading transacted any paper for any other paper, aside from a brief foray into the trading floor where there were actually paper tickets, but even those represented something else, not the paper.

In the last year I have bought and sold soybeans, wheat, corn, natural gas, gold, platinum, palladium, crude oil, euros, yen, SA Rand, and option on several of those as well.

I have only been to a soybean field once ever. Didn't like it. Have enjoyed the occasional edamame with my sushi. I couldn't pick out a spring wheat from a winter wheat from a tumbleweed in a line-up, but I am a professional consultant advising wheat farmers and end users for risk management and price protection. I have no natural gas pipeline or storage facility, I have no idea where my gas goes when I sell it or where it was when I bought it. I have never held a yen in my hand, have had a few euros on occasion for spending. It is all digital.

The difference between trading natural gas or soybeans or yen is a matter of making a secure digital transaction over an exchange. Having knowledge of the markets (and yes, if you are a GOOD technical analyst it is immensely helpful, however if you are a bad technician god help you) is important. Having a deep understanding of risk management and refined trading skills is vastly more important.

You are all speculating on bitcoin. I don't care what your premise is, the cardinal rule of trading is the future is unpredictable. Thus you must understand the mental environment of a successful speculator to trade bitcoin, or anything else. Anything that fluctuates in value and has an available counterparty is a vehicle for speculation. In this way bitcoin is no different than any other commodity we trade, save for the much higher potential of high sigma price fluctuation. Which is a good thing. If you're a speculator.

Make no mistake, those of you who believe you have reinvented the wheel and are knocking the old hands in this game, we will watch you ride your emotional rollercoaster, and in the end we will quietly, cautiously, mop up the floor with what is left of you. Trade humble, or go broke. It is a law. Write it down.

later...

 [edit- Thanks all for the props above, always appreciated...)

Great post jballs, but I fear it will fall mostly on deaf ears.  You see most of the bitcoin true believers are 20 somethings who have never traded professionally or for an extended period of time for that matter.  They have never traded during a speculative bubble like the late 90's tech bubble or the 2008 oil bubble.  They think they have everything figured out and that older people have no idea what they are talking and nothing to add to the conversation.

They think bitcoin will take over the world in short order and render the dollar, euro, yen, gold, Fed, ECB, BOJ, investment banks, hedge funds, stock and bond markets completely obsolete and useless.  According to them bitcoin does not follow any of the old rules of trading.  Charts, technical analysis, risk management, profit taking, trading experience are completely worthless.  Bitcoin is a completely new animal.  In short, "this time its different."

Jesse Livermore, one of the greatest speculators of all time, once said, "There is nothing new in speculating.  There can't be because speculation is as old as the hills.  Whatever happens in financial markets today has happened before and will happen again."

You couldn't be further from the truth.

And as to Livermore, I read his book. He was a smart kid that failed to overcome a gambling addiction and ultimately committed suicide.

edit: I see Bitcoin as a tool to fight financial corruption. I couldn't care less about speculators. I read about it, thought to myself, "Hey cool, a technology that could wrest power from those who issue currency so my kids don't have to grow up fighting politicians' wars funded by central banks. That's how it's different.

If you older traders are too obtuse to see how digital currencies are a game-changer, I'm not sure what to tell you.
newbie
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December 31, 2013, 01:36:21 AM
#43
For the newbies, a point of clarification.

The architecture of bitcoin is a radical departure from most of the financial world, but not all of it. In absolute terminology, they are a structured derivative. Most likely if they survive (I am betting they will), they will ultimately be absorbed into the financial industry as that product type.

While "swapping paper back and forth" is a useful metaphor, the fact is virtually all derivatives and currencies are already digital. I have not ever in my two decades actively trading transacted any paper for any other paper, aside from a brief foray into the trading floor where there were actually paper tickets, but even those represented something else, not the paper.

In the last year I have bought and sold soybeans, wheat, corn, natural gas, gold, platinum, palladium, crude oil, euros, yen, SA Rand, and option on several of those as well.

I have only been to a soybean field once ever. Didn't like it. Have enjoyed the occasional edamame with my sushi. I couldn't pick out a spring wheat from a winter wheat from a tumbleweed in a line-up, but I am a professional consultant advising wheat farmers and end users for risk management and price protection. I have no natural gas pipeline or storage facility, I have no idea where my gas goes when I sell it or where it was when I bought it. I have never held a yen in my hand, have had a few euros on occasion for spending. It is all digital.

The difference between trading natural gas or soybeans or yen is a matter of making a secure digital transaction over an exchange. Having knowledge of the markets (and yes, if you are a GOOD technical analyst it is immensely helpful, however if you are a bad technician god help you) is important. Having a deep understanding of risk management and refined trading skills is vastly more important.

You are all speculating on bitcoin. I don't care what your premise is, the cardinal rule of trading is the future is unpredictable. Thus you must understand the mental environment of a successful speculator to trade bitcoin, or anything else. Anything that fluctuates in value and has an available counterparty is a vehicle for speculation. In this way bitcoin is no different than any other commodity we trade, save for the much higher potential of high sigma price fluctuation. Which is a good thing. If you're a speculator.

Make no mistake, those of you who believe you have reinvented the wheel and are knocking the old hands in this game, we will watch you ride your emotional rollercoaster, and in the end we will quietly, cautiously, mop up the floor with what is left of you. Trade humble, or go broke. It is a law. Write it down.

later...

 [edit- Thanks all for the props above, always appreciated...)

Your post makes me wonder if you have a good understanding of what Bitcoin actually is. Under the hood, I mean.

You see what I mean?  This post illustrates my point exactly.  jballs just made a point that speculation is speculation regarless of the vehicle be it soybeans, crude oil, currencies, stocks or bitcoins.  

"You are all speculating on bitcoin. I don't care what your premise is, the cardinal rule of trading is the future is unpredictable. Thus you must understand the mental environment of a successful speculator to trade bitcoin, or anything else. Anything that fluctuates in value and has an available counterparty is a vehicle for speculation. In this way bitcoin is no different than any other commodity we trade

and then bassclef basically makes the point that bitcoins are different from all those things.

half the time bitcoin true believers claim it is a currency that will replace the dollar soon as a means of exchange.  then when someone compares it to currencies like the dollar that fluctuate in value and can be traded, they say "no!  its completely different!"
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December 31, 2013, 01:35:59 AM
#42


You should read and learn about the history of Bitstamp, how it started, who runs it and what their track record is. I know you may be waiting for JP Morgan (Wink) to start a bitcoin exchange, but until then, there are safe ways to trade.

This is a good place to make the point. Bitstamp?

https://www.bitstamp.net/about_us/

Who the fuck are they, why do they list an office in the UK but operate out of Slovenia and have no names, faces, anything?

Why the fuck would I send those "people" money and how deserving would I be of getting swindled if I did? I get great offers from Nigeria all the time but there is a pattern see...

And like I say I have no reason to believe they are not legit. I am just not naive enough to find out.

As for JPMorgan, they are trying. Goldman is already in though

http://www.coindesk.com/goldman-sachs-director-board-bitcoin-startup-circle/

And in case you haven't noticed, Coinbase has a Goldman alum running the shop too. Forex dealer, kudos to him for leaving the vipers nest of GS forex dealing, but here is what you don't know. Give me an opaque exchange with no regulation and I will show you 500 ways to steal all day long with nobody noticing. Most of the banks run a bid/offer window you can run a truck through, they fill you at the bottom or top of the day and keep the spread and it's a sweet business if your clients don't even know it is a game, let alone how to know when they get played.

Your enterprise will probably be cannibalized by the Bilderberg whether you like it or not. I wish it were not so, but look at where the internet went...straight into the nutsack of the New Stasi. No reason to believe this will be any different, pleasantly surprise me if I'm wrong though.




newbie
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December 31, 2013, 01:29:46 AM
#41
For the newbies, a point of clarification.

The architecture of bitcoin is a radical departure from most of the financial world, but not all of it. In absolute terminology, they are a structured derivative. Most likely if they survive (I am betting they will), they will ultimately be absorbed into the financial industry as that product type.

While "swapping paper back and forth" is a useful metaphor, the fact is virtually all derivatives and currencies are already digital. I have not ever in my two decades actively trading transacted any paper for any other paper, aside from a brief foray into the trading floor where there were actually paper tickets, but even those represented something else, not the paper.

In the last year I have bought and sold soybeans, wheat, corn, natural gas, gold, platinum, palladium, crude oil, euros, yen, SA Rand, and option on several of those as well.

I have only been to a soybean field once ever. Didn't like it. Have enjoyed the occasional edamame with my sushi. I couldn't pick out a spring wheat from a winter wheat from a tumbleweed in a line-up, but I am a professional consultant advising wheat farmers and end users for risk management and price protection. I have no natural gas pipeline or storage facility, I have no idea where my gas goes when I sell it or where it was when I bought it. I have never held a yen in my hand, have had a few euros on occasion for spending. It is all digital.

The difference between trading natural gas or soybeans or yen is a matter of making a secure digital transaction over an exchange. Having knowledge of the markets (and yes, if you are a GOOD technical analyst it is immensely helpful, however if you are a bad technician god help you) is important. Having a deep understanding of risk management and refined trading skills is vastly more important.

You are all speculating on bitcoin. I don't care what your premise is, the cardinal rule of trading is the future is unpredictable. Thus you must understand the mental environment of a successful speculator to trade bitcoin, or anything else. Anything that fluctuates in value and has an available counterparty is a vehicle for speculation. In this way bitcoin is no different than any other commodity we trade, save for the much higher potential of high sigma price fluctuation. Which is a good thing. If you're a speculator.

Make no mistake, those of you who believe you have reinvented the wheel and are knocking the old hands in this game, we will watch you ride your emotional rollercoaster, and in the end we will quietly, cautiously, mop up the floor with what is left of you. Trade humble, or go broke. It is a law. Write it down.

later...

 [edit- Thanks all for the props above, always appreciated...)

Great post jballs, but I fear it will fall mostly on deaf ears.  You see most of the bitcoin true believers are 20 somethings who have never traded professionally or for an extended period of time for that matter.  They have never traded during a speculative bubble like the late 90's tech bubble or the 2008 oil bubble.  They think they have everything figured out and that older people have no idea what they are talking and nothing to add to the conversation.

They think bitcoin will take over the world in short order and render the dollar, euro, yen, gold, Fed, ECB, BOJ, investment banks, hedge funds, stock and bond markets completely obsolete and useless.  According to them bitcoin does not follow any of the old rules of trading.  Charts, technical analysis, risk management, profit taking, trading experience are completely worthless.  Bitcoin is a completely new animal.  In short, "this time its different."

Jesse Livermore, one of the greatest speculators of all time, once said, "There is nothing new in speculating.  There can't be because speculation is as old as the hills.  Whatever happens in financial markets today has happened before and will happen again."
hero member
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December 31, 2013, 01:21:35 AM
#40
For the newbies, a point of clarification.

The architecture of bitcoin is a radical departure from most of the financial world, but not all of it. In absolute terminology, they are a structured derivative. Most likely if they survive (I am betting they will), they will ultimately be absorbed into the financial industry as that product type.

While "swapping paper back and forth" is a useful metaphor, the fact is virtually all derivatives and currencies are already digital. I have not ever in my two decades actively trading transacted any paper for any other paper, aside from a brief foray into the trading floor where there were actually paper tickets, but even those represented something else, not the paper.

In the last year I have bought and sold soybeans, wheat, corn, natural gas, gold, platinum, palladium, crude oil, euros, yen, SA Rand, and option on several of those as well.

I have only been to a soybean field once ever. Didn't like it. Have enjoyed the occasional edamame with my sushi. I couldn't pick out a spring wheat from a winter wheat from a tumbleweed in a line-up, but I am a professional consultant advising wheat farmers and end users for risk management and price protection. I have no natural gas pipeline or storage facility, I have no idea where my gas goes when I sell it or where it was when I bought it. I have never held a yen in my hand, have had a few euros on occasion for spending. It is all digital.

The difference between trading natural gas or soybeans or yen is a matter of making a secure digital transaction over an exchange. Having knowledge of the markets (and yes, if you are a GOOD technical analyst it is immensely helpful, however if you are a bad technician god help you) is important. Having a deep understanding of risk management and refined trading skills is vastly more important.

You are all speculating on bitcoin. I don't care what your premise is, the cardinal rule of trading is the future is unpredictable. Thus you must understand the mental environment of a successful speculator to trade bitcoin, or anything else. Anything that fluctuates in value and has an available counterparty is a vehicle for speculation. In this way bitcoin is no different than any other commodity we trade, save for the much higher potential of high sigma price fluctuation. Which is a good thing. If you're a speculator.

Make no mistake, those of you who believe you have reinvented the wheel and are knocking the old hands in this game, we will watch you ride your emotional rollercoaster, and in the end we will quietly, cautiously, mop up the floor with what is left of you. Trade humble, or go broke. It is a law. Write it down.

later...

 [edit- Thanks all for the props above, always appreciated...)

Your post makes me wonder if you have a good understanding of what Bitcoin actually is. Under the hood, I mean.
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December 31, 2013, 01:07:17 AM
#39
The govt will never allow a currency that they have no control over.

"The govt"?

Which government is "the" government? Which jurisdiction?

I live in the USA so I'm referring the US federal govt.  The only one that has the authority to issue currency in the US.

2 points on this thread. There are real traders from real exchanges. And some of them make money doing it, no doubt. Most will not. Those who do not will not admit it the the sample responses is always skewed.

The more the price the goes up, the more governments worldwide will take action. Some negatively, some positively.  I tend to believe more negatively.  But I also think it wont matter and XBT will become semi mainstream.
newbie
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December 31, 2013, 01:01:35 AM
#38
my take on bitcoin is the exchanges are fubar ... who the hell are they and who gets your money back if they fly by night?

So Coinbase is a threat ?  LOL ...
Yes all these exchanges will just up and take all our money with them.
Thats a rational paranoia.
Honestly that tells me you aren't too familiar with what is going on.  All due respect.

To the original poster:  the LAST people you want to ask about bitcoin are the people who have been involved IN ANY CAPACITY in the obsolete financial world.

Those are the biggest naysayers, the most skeptical, the least informed, and the most confused by what Bitcoin is.

Bitcoin violates every rule they have ever learned, and it drives them insane.  Please only use such individuals for personal entertainment.

-B-

So what is your response to this BittBurger?  "Stay away from Coinbase" https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stay-away-from-coinbase-344604

99.9% of bitcoin owners are trading with a few hundred to a few thousand dollars worth of bitcoins.  The total market cap of bitcoin is $12 billion dollars.

The total assets under management of all stock and bond funds and hedge funds are in the trillions.  The FOREX market trades $4 TRILLION dollars a day.  Hardly "obsolete."  

Your unwarranted arrogance is laughable.
legendary
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December 31, 2013, 12:54:42 AM
#37
my take on bitcoin is the exchanges are fubar ... who the hell are they and who gets your money back if they fly by night?

So Coinbase is a threat ?  LOL ...
Yes all these exchanges will just up and take all our money with them.
Thats a rational paranoia.
Honestly that tells me you aren't too familiar with what is going on.  All due respect.

To the original poster:  the LAST people you want to ask about bitcoin are the people who have been involved IN ANY CAPACITY in the obsolete financial world.

Those are the biggest naysayers, the most skeptical, the least informed, and the most confused by what Bitcoin is.

Bitcoin violates every rule they have ever learned, and it drives them insane.  Please only use such individuals for personal entertainment.

-B-

Where is Sheep Market? Where is their money? Where is Silk Road? Where is BuySellBitCo.in ? Where  is....hang on...

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/list-of-major-bitcoin-heists-thefts-hacks-scams-and-losses-old-83794


 Bitcoin is cool but it is not going to end finance, sorry. And until there is legal and technological stability the exchanges are high risk. I do not care at all where you put your money though. Good luck.

You should read and learn about the history of Bitstamp, how it started, who runs it and what their track record is. I know you may be waiting for JP Morgan (Wink) to start a bitcoin exchange, but until then, there are safe ways to trade.
member
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December 31, 2013, 12:47:12 AM
#36
For the newbies, a point of clarification.

The architecture of bitcoin is a radical departure from most of the financial world, but not all of it. In absolute terminology, they are a structured derivative. Most likely if they survive (I am betting they will), they will ultimately be absorbed into the financial industry as that product type.

While "swapping paper back and forth" is a useful metaphor, the fact is virtually all derivatives and currencies are already digital. I have not ever in my two decades actively trading transacted any paper for any other paper, aside from a brief foray into the trading floor where there were actually paper tickets, but even those represented something else, not the paper.

In the last year I have bought and sold soybeans, wheat, corn, natural gas, gold, platinum, palladium, crude oil, euros, yen, SA Rand, and option on several of those as well.

I have only been to a soybean field once ever. Didn't like it. Have enjoyed the occasional edamame with my sushi. I couldn't pick out a spring wheat from a winter wheat from a tumbleweed in a line-up, but I am a professional consultant advising wheat farmers and end users for risk management and price protection. I have no natural gas pipeline or storage facility, I have no idea where my gas goes when I sell it or where it was when I bought it. I have never held a yen in my hand, have had a few euros on occasion for spending. It is all digital.

The difference between trading natural gas or soybeans or yen is a matter of making a secure digital transaction over an exchange. Having knowledge of the markets (and yes, if you are a GOOD technical analyst it is immensely helpful, however if you are a bad technician god help you) is important. Having a deep understanding of risk management and refined trading skills is vastly more important.

You are all speculating on bitcoin. I don't care what your premise is, the cardinal rule of trading is the future is unpredictable. Thus you must understand the mental environment of a successful speculator to trade bitcoin, or anything else. Anything that fluctuates in value and has an available counterparty is a vehicle for speculation. In this way bitcoin is no different than any other commodity we trade, save for the much higher potential of high sigma price fluctuation. Which is a good thing. If you're a speculator.

Make no mistake, those of you who believe you have reinvented the wheel and are knocking the old hands in this game, we will watch you ride your emotional rollercoaster, and in the end we will quietly, cautiously, mop up the floor with what is left of you. Trade humble, or go broke. It is a law. Write it down.

later...

 [edit- Thanks all for the props above, always appreciated...)
sr. member
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December 31, 2013, 12:00:30 AM
#35
I'm picturing a freight train loaded with nickels derailing inside a tunnel and them shooting out at the other side. That's bitcoin for me.

K
legendary
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December 30, 2013, 11:50:25 PM
#34
I'm picturing a freight train loaded with nickels derailing inside a tunnel and them shooting out at the other side. That's bitcoin for me.
sr. member
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December 30, 2013, 11:48:41 PM
#33
Don't kid yourselves though, the odds are hugely against you.  My position is to not fuck it up trying to pick up nickels in front of a freight train.

God damn, that's sig-worthy.

my take on bitcoin is the exchanges are fubar ... who the hell are they and who gets your money back if they fly by night?

So Coinbase is a threat ?  LOL ...
Yes all these exchanges will just up and take all our money with them.
Thats a rational paranoia.
Honestly that tells me you aren't too familiar with what is going on.  All due respect.

To the original poster:  the LAST people you want to ask about bitcoin are the people who have been involved IN ANY CAPACITY in the obsolete financial world.

Those are the biggest naysayers, the most skeptical, the least informed, and the most confused by what Bitcoin is.

Bitcoin violates every rule they have ever learned, and it drives them insane.  Please only use such individuals for personal entertainment.

-B-

Huh?  There are probably a dozen exchanges which have been hacked, shut down by a gov, or had owners who absconded with client funds/coins.  It's a real threat.  It boggles my mind that whales are comfortable sitting on millions on these exchanges.

Regarding your disdain for professionals from the "obsolete financial world" .. you obviously don't understand the parallels between Bitcoin and forex/commodities trading.
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December 30, 2013, 11:41:53 PM
#32
Don't kid yourselves though, the odds are hugely against you. What bitcoin has to offer is a parabolic rise IF it plays out that way. My position is to not fuck it up trying to pick up nickels in front of a freight train. Get in, sit down, shut up, and hold on.

win.
member
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December 30, 2013, 11:15:54 PM
#31
my take on bitcoin is the exchanges are fubar ... who the hell are they and who gets your money back if they fly by night?

So Coinbase is a threat ?  LOL ...
Yes all these exchanges will just up and take all our money with them.
Thats a rational paranoia.
Honestly that tells me you aren't too familiar with what is going on.  All due respect.

To the original poster:  the LAST people you want to ask about bitcoin are the people who have been involved IN ANY CAPACITY in the obsolete financial world.

Those are the biggest naysayers, the most skeptical, the least informed, and the most confused by what Bitcoin is.

Bitcoin violates every rule they have ever learned, and it drives them insane.  Please only use such individuals for personal entertainment.

-B-

Where is Sheep Market? Where is their money? Where is Silk Road? Where is BuySellBitCo.in ? Where  is....hang on...

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/list-of-major-bitcoin-heists-thefts-hacks-scams-and-losses-old-83794


 Bitcoin is cool but it is not going to end finance, sorry. And until there is legal and technological stability the exchanges are high risk. I do not care at all where you put your money though. Good luck.
legendary
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December 30, 2013, 10:59:57 PM
#30
The govt will never allow a currency that they have no control over.

"The govt"?

Which government is "the" government? Which jurisdiction?

I live in the USA so I'm referring the US federal govt.  The only one that has the authority to issue currency in the US.

Besides the point that the US accounts for only 4% of the global population and assuming "the govt" will be interpreted as "the US govt" is silly, there is also the issue that the US government has delegated its currency issuance authority the the Federal Reserve, which is a privately owned bank.
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December 30, 2013, 10:19:31 PM
#29
my take on bitcoin is the exchanges are fubar ... who the hell are they and who gets your money back if they fly by night?

So Coinbase is a threat ?  LOL ...
Yes all these exchanges will just up and take all our money with them.
Thats a rational paranoia.
Honestly that tells me you aren't too familiar with what is going on.  All due respect.

To the original poster:  the LAST people you want to ask about bitcoin are the people who have been involved IN ANY CAPACITY in the obsolete financial world.

Those are the biggest naysayers, the most skeptical, the least informed, and the most confused by what Bitcoin is.

Bitcoin violates every rule they have ever learned, and it drives them insane.  Please only use such individuals for personal entertainment.

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