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Quote from: CryptSafe on November 10, 2023, 02:15:57 PM

Talking about the tag, I would not say much about it as I am not a DT member to be in a position of taking any decision of such nature.

DT status doesn't stop you tagging someone - but inappropriate tags can be questionable. You are not required to be on DT to send any tags to someone if that is necessary - but you do need to consider something reasonable as a reference if you want to tag someone if based on other users' accusations.

Users mentioned by the OP certainly have motives and reasons for making loan requests - but we will never know exactly what their motives are. He could have wanted to get a loan because there was something urgent - but he didn't get it because his account didn't have regular activity like most other borrowers.

Quote from: logfiles on November 10, 2023, 01:52:55 PM

Would it be OK to leave a neutral tag on the profile about the loan incident after a long period of inactivity, just to act as a heads-up on anyone who might attempt to deal with the account in future?
I wanted to add one to the profile, but I don't want to be trigger-happy with tags which could easily draw criticism if they are unnecessary.

Of course - I think you can do it - IMO, but I'm tend to agree if you put it on a list of users you distrust.

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Quote from: logfiles on November 10, 2023, 01:52:55 PM

Quote from: CryptSafe on November 01, 2023, 12:09:26 PM

As I can see Shazam already turned down his request so it would be very difficult for him to get a loan for which he would default and abscond with.

No way you called him Shazam Grin

My bad for not spelling the name correctly Sir. I apologize for it Sir. Grin

Quote from: logfiles on November 10, 2023, 01:52:55 PM

Would it be OK to leave a neutral tag on the profile about the loan incident after a long period of inactivity, just to act as a heads-up on anyone who might attempt to deal with the account in future?
I wanted to add one to the profile, but I don't want to be trigger-happy with tags which could easily draw criticism if they are unnecessary.

He was not given the loan by Shasan and did not succeed in his motive as the case maybe but if he had gotten the loan and the reverse was the case it would have been a different game altogether. I believe this thread would also be here as reference for his actions in the near future if anything arises again that warrants such to be done or actions taken. Talking about the tag, I would not say much about it as I am not a DT member to be in a position of taking any decision of such nature.

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Quote from: CryptSafe on November 01, 2023, 12:09:26 PM

As I can see Shazam already turned down his request so it would be very difficult for him to get a loan for which he would default and abscond with.

No way you called him Shazam Grin

Would it be OK to leave a neutral tag on the profile about the loan incident after a long period of inactivity, just to act as a heads-up on anyone who might attempt to deal with the account in future?
I wanted to add one to the profile, but I don't want to be trigger-happy with tags which could easily draw criticism if they are unnecessary.

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Quote from: CryptSafe on November 10, 2023, 10:32:48 AM

I am not blaming the account holder but I could imagine that kind of scenario and what it could result to in the future after successfully collection of the loan. Let us assume the account holder is not aware of this and the borrower happens to be a scammer who hack or steal the details of the account holder just to perpetrate their nefarious act and after everything, the scammer runs away leaving the money to be paid by the owner of the account and prior to his or her knowledge, they have not had such agreement what do you expect?
The lender was fast enough to detect their schemes and refused issuing the loan which had saved the owner of the account the stress of repayment and explanations.

Definitely the real owner of that account won't be aware because as it stands that account has been hacked by this current person using the account and if one way or the other the main user of that account get to recover the account he or she would be seeing red tags all over the account without knowing what went down.
By then the fraudster might have done the damages and letting the real owner to suffer for it, I can tell you for free that the person giving the loan won't believe what the owner of the account is saying as a defense to what he has been accused of, is really sad to see such a thing happening to members without their consent. But the account could be another sold account, don't you think 🤔.

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on November 10, 2023, 09:33:56 AM

Quote from: CryptSafe on November 01, 2023, 12:09:26 PM

It is obvious that this borrower is a scammer because I see no reason why someone would just wake up all of a sudden and go straight to get a loan. If not for a sinister motive, what else would warrant this actions from such account holder. As I can see Shazam already turned down his request so it would be very difficult for him to get a loan for which he would default and abscond with.

I am believe Shasan already dealt with it. So no need the borrower wasting his or her time going for such an amount of loan with no collateral because nobody would make such a mistake doing such.

You need not blame the scammer or borrower like you address him, these things has only one end, if the loan is given that's the end, if the person giving the loan resist that's the end of the loan request. So the person using that account only want tto damage that account completely for the original owner.
Taking the loan and going off is likely to happen because if he eventually get the loan he would stop using that account and the main owner would be the one to suffer for what he has no idea of, just hope this gets to the main user to reset his password.

I am not blaming the account holder but I could imagine that kind of scenario and what it could result to in the future after successfully collection of the loan. Let us assume the account holder is not aware of this and the borrower happens to be a scammer who hack or steal the details of the account holder just to perpetrate their nefarious act and after everything, the scammer runs away leaving the money to be paid by the owner of the account and prior to his or her knowledge, they have not had such agreement what do you expect?
The lender was fast enough to detect their schemes and refused issuing the loan which had saved the owner of the account the stress of repayment and explanations.

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Quote from: CryptSafe on November 01, 2023, 12:09:26 PM

It is obvious that this borrower is a scammer because I see no reason why someone would just wake up all of a sudden and go straight to get a loan. If not for a sinister motive, what else would warrant this actions from such account holder. As I can see Shazam already turned down his request so it would be very difficult for him to get a loan for which he would default and abscond with.

I am believe Shasan already dealt with it. So no need the borrower wasting his or her time going for such an amount of loan with no collateral because nobody would make such a mistake doing such.

You need not blame the scammer or borrower like you address him, these things has only one end, if the loan is given that's the end, if the person giving the loan resist that's the end of the loan request. So the person using that account only want tto damage that account completely for the original owner.
Taking the loan and going off is likely to happen because if he eventually get the loan he would stop using that account and the main owner would be the one to suffer for what he has no idea of, just hope this gets to the main user to reset his password.

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It is obvious that this borrower is a scammer because I see no reason why someone would just wake up all of a sudden and go straight to get a loan. If not for a sinister motive, what else would warrant this actions from such account holder. As I can see Shazam already turned down his request so it would be very difficult for him to get a loan for which he would default and abscond with.

I am believe Shasan already dealt with it. So no need the borrower wasting his or her time going for such an amount of loan with no collateral because nobody would make such a mistake doing such.

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Quote from: SmartGold01 on October 29, 2023, 12:35:29 PM

Quote from: shasan on October 29, 2023, 12:33:57 AM

At the time of defaulting the loan the borrower was in a good signature campaign which was managing by royese777 and the campaign is still ongoing. From the time of the loan the borrower could retun my loan and also could gather few more fund drom the campaign.

Does it mean the borrower no longer in a campaign currently that leads to scam and violation which probably calls for defaulting of loan. Although Royse777 is a disciplined manager who always wants everyone to be serious and dedicated with their activities in terms of work. I love him for his actions and ways of management.

The user has been removed after 2 weeks of not creating any posts.

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Quote from: shasan on October 29, 2023, 12:33:57 AM

At the time of defaulting the loan the borrower was in a good signature campaign which was managing by royese777 and the campaign is still ongoing. From the time of the loan the borrower could retun my loan and also could gather few more fund drom the campaign.

Does it mean the borrower no longer in a campaign currently that leads to scam and violation which probably calls for defaulting of loan. Although Royse777 is a disciplined manager who always wants everyone to be serious and dedicated with their activities in terms of work. I love him for his actions and ways of management.

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Quote from: SmartGold01 on October 28, 2023, 07:56:02 AM

Quote from: shasan on October 27, 2023, 05:46:00 PM

Actually it is not an easy task to understand mind setup of a scammer. Though scammer is going down day by day yet it has not stopped. I have a good example of a scammer who has returned me 1050USDT but later took 1000 and went away which scam accusation I will post asap.

Was he in a campaign before scamming you such huge amount or it was just by mutual trust after returning you that amount you felt so welcomed by him and you gave him 1k and ran away without showing back to you, Must at times people might secretly go wear a signature code to pretend as if they are in campaign and then later come to apply for a loan, do you as well check them with the campaign to know if actually they are into campaign before giving out loan to them?
Maybe I will like to have a look at the user who ran away with that such amount of money.
So sorry for that sir.

At the time of defaulting the loan the borrower was in a good signature campaign which was managing by royese777 and the campaign is still ongoing. From the time of the loan the borrower could retun my loan and also could gather few more fund drom the campaign.

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Quote from: Z_MBFM on October 28, 2023, 12:05:18 PM

Ask for sign a message of his/her old wallet can't be a solution. Because he is not using this account since 2021. It means this account is not important to him and he does not value this account. and so this account is not valuable for him. Meanwhile he has applied for a loan amounting to $800 which is quite a large amount. So even if his account gets red tag for this, he doesn't care about it.

Members like them have multiple plans in mind, making it difficult to know which one they are implementing. He only has one try if he can somehow get the loan, and the lenders know very well what these members do after getting the loan.

Suddenly waking up and asking for a loan is the most suspicious thing, what else can be expected from him. He might have thought about dumping his account for the $800 loan. But he failed, because his loan was not accepted.

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Quote from: bittraffic on October 25, 2023, 12:02:18 PM

Quote from: zasad@ on October 25, 2023, 11:50:50 AM

I'm not a fraud specialist, but it seems to me that such an account, which was registered in 2013, has a value of more than $800.
But if a user participates in a subscription campaign and has an additional bonus of 300-400 dollars per month, then why would he cheat on this forum for 800 dollars?

It wouldn't make sense but it would take ~Money~ to join a campaign to be able to get a loan which he likely needed now.

Asking for a loan while the account recently just woke is not good for their business. They will scrutinize the account for good and may want to sign a message of their old wallet to see if it is still him. Because definitely as it happened before accounts could change hands.

Ask for sign a message of his/her old wallet can't be a solution. Because he is not using this account since 2021. It means this account is not important to him and he does not value this account. and so this account is not valuable for him. Meanwhile he has applied for a loan amounting to $800 which is quite a large amount. So even if his account gets red tag for this, he doesn't care about it.

His post history helps us to understand that he is an Indian. Because he has done many postings in Indian Local Boards in the past. And Indian people are not very convenient. not everyone is like that. But his activities are very suspicious

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Quote from: shasan on October 27, 2023, 05:46:00 PM

Actually it is not an easy task to understand mind setup of a scammer. Though scammer is going down day by day yet it has not stopped. I have a good example of a scammer who has returned me 1050USDT but later took 1000 and went away which scam accusation I will post asap.

Was he in a campaign before scamming you such huge amount or it was just by mutual trust after returning you that amount you felt so welcomed by him and you gave him 1k and ran away without showing back to you, Must at times people might secretly go wear a signature code to pretend as if they are in campaign and then later come to apply for a loan, do you as well check them with the campaign to know if actually they are into campaign before giving out loan to them?
Maybe I will like to have a look at the user who ran away with that such amount of money.
So sorry for that sir.

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Quote from: SmartGold01 on October 27, 2023, 09:48:35 AM

Quote from: shasan on October 27, 2023, 09:33:52 AM

Quote from: SmartGold01 on October 27, 2023, 07:03:48 AM

Do you need to give such person a neutral tag for applying a loan without any collateral or for being inactive?
Usually when we see such activity it's assume that such user is a scammer or his account is being hacked and used to apply for a loan without a collateral even though most newbies do apply for a loan I sees it as an usual activity for a newbie or inactive member to come request for loan it's very suspicious. Whenever I see them two things comes into my mind either hacked or stolen account.

If I see only loan request from me or only one thread then I do not take any action. But if I see same thing on multiple thread then I see neutral trust even negative trust. Cause asking loan on multiple thread is also considered as scam activity.

Okay I understand now..
Please be very mindful with the people that request for a loan because most of them aren't genuine person they have an interior motive to scam and run away with your funds, I have seen some of your thread at the scam and reputation board. I feel so bad for people to take such evil steps, again the user who requested for a loan are meant to be given a tag.

Actually it is not an easy task to understand mind setup of a scammer. Though scammer is going down day by day yet it has not stopped. I have a good example of a scammer who has returned me 1050USDT but later took 1000 and went away which scam accusation I will post asap.

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Quote from: shasan on October 27, 2023, 09:33:52 AM

Quote from: SmartGold01 on October 27, 2023, 07:03:48 AM

Do you need to give such person a neutral tag for applying a loan without any collateral or for being inactive?
Usually when we see such activity it's assume that such user is a scammer or his account is being hacked and used to apply for a loan without a collateral even though most newbies do apply for a loan I sees it as an usual activity for a newbie or inactive member to come request for loan it's very suspicious. Whenever I see them two things comes into my mind either hacked or stolen account.

If I see only loan request from me or only one thread then I do not take any action. But if I see same thing on multiple thread then I see neutral trust even negative trust. Cause asking loan on multiple thread is also considered as scam activity.

Okay I understand now..
Please be very mindful with the people that request for a loan because most of them aren't genuine person they have an interior motive to scam and run away with your funds, I have seen some of your thread at the scam and reputation board. I feel so bad for people to take such evil steps, again the user who requested for a loan are meant to be given a tag.

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Quote from: SmartGold01 on October 27, 2023, 07:03:48 AM

Do you need to give such person a neutral tag for applying a loan without any collateral or for being inactive?
Usually when we see such activity it's assume that such user is a scammer or his account is being hacked and used to apply for a loan without a collateral even though most newbies do apply for a loan I sees it as an usual activity for a newbie or inactive member to come request for loan it's very suspicious. Whenever I see them two things comes into my mind either hacked or stolen account.

If I see only loan request from me or only one thread then I do not take any action. But if I see same thing on multiple thread then I see neutral trust even negative trust. Cause asking loan on multiple thread is also considered as scam activity.

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Quote from: zasad@ on October 27, 2023, 07:28:36 AM

Quote from: SmartGold01 on October 25, 2023, 01:18:06 PM

Quote from: zasad@ on October 25, 2023, 12:57:56 PM

Quote from: SmartGold01 on October 25, 2023, 12:38:54 PM

I believe Shasan doesn't give a loan to an account that has never participated in a campaign or has not joined campaign for long period of time, so he knows how to handle such cases and his request will be turned down. However, there is every possiblity that this account is being hacked from the original owner or possibly being sold out so, there is no need to worry anyone and the only way possible is to ask him to sign a message using his previously used btc address to prove ownership and that doesn't mean that s/he's loan will be approved by lender.

If the account were sold, then either the email or the password were probably changed, but this did not happen. But if the account is sold, the buyer will also require a private key from the Bitcoin address that was used for the signature. But this method will protect against account hacking.

Don't you think people can be so smart nowadays after seeing the drama going on here they might decide not to change password to avoid being suspected. I can remember a case like that were someone login another person profile and request for a loan from Shasan and he gave, while the original owner didn't request for a loan it ended up were the account owner will have to start paying loan he didn't request. I think from what I read there the original owner said the loan was requested when he was asleep and all this happened through pm. In your state of reasoning would you ever believe this story or you will think the account owner is just formulating and cooking up stories that he didn't take the loan?

Issuing loans without collateral is an even riskier business than investing in new crypto projects. I think whoever does this should request confirmation via a signature in the Bitcoin wallet. But to be honest, I don't really like loan sharks.

I asked LoyceV to put a neutral tag on my profile so that if someone gains access to my account, they will not be able to receive credit. And I advise everyone who does not plan to take out loans to do this.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62530353

I see!
I have actually applied for a loan and though still had an intention to take another loan but if my account request for any loan without the previously used TRX address then I will ask the lender not to grant it because it's not from me or possibly he should request for a bitcoin message and if the account was not able to sign the message then he should know the account is hacked from me. By then if you come across the drama you are free to give a neutral tag by then.

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Quote from: SmartGold01 on October 25, 2023, 01:18:06 PM

Quote from: zasad@ on October 25, 2023, 12:57:56 PM

Quote from: SmartGold01 on October 25, 2023, 12:38:54 PM

I believe Shasan doesn't give a loan to an account that has never participated in a campaign or has not joined campaign for long period of time, so he knows how to handle such cases and his request will be turned down. However, there is every possiblity that this account is being hacked from the original owner or possibly being sold out so, there is no need to worry anyone and the only way possible is to ask him to sign a message using his previously used btc address to prove ownership and that doesn't mean that s/he's loan will be approved by lender.

If the account were sold, then either the email or the password were probably changed, but this did not happen. But if the account is sold, the buyer will also require a private key from the Bitcoin address that was used for the signature. But this method will protect against account hacking.

Don't you think people can be so smart nowadays after seeing the drama going on here they might decide not to change password to avoid being suspected. I can remember a case like that were someone login another person profile and request for a loan from Shasan and he gave, while the original owner didn't request for a loan it ended up were the account owner will have to start paying loan he didn't request. I think from what I read there the original owner said the loan was requested when he was asleep and all this happened through pm. In your state of reasoning would you ever believe this story or you will think the account owner is just formulating and cooking up stories that he didn't take the loan?

Issuing loans without collateral is an even riskier business than investing in new crypto projects. I think whoever does this should request confirmation via a signature in the Bitcoin wallet. But to be honest, I don't really like loan sharks.

I asked LoyceV to put a neutral tag on my profile so that if someone gains access to my account, they will not be able to receive credit. And I advise everyone who does not plan to take out loans to do this.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62530353

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Quote from: shasan on October 26, 2023, 07:12:22 PM

Quote from: SmartGold01 on October 25, 2023, 12:38:54 PM

I believe Shasan doesn't give a loan to an account that has never participated in a campaign or has not joined campaign for long period of time, so he knows how to handle such cases and his request will be turned down. However, there is every possiblity that this account is being hacked from the original owner or possibly being sold out so, there is no need to worry anyone and the only way possible is to ask him to sign a message using his previously used btc address to prove ownership and that doesn't mean that s/he's loan will be approved by lender.

You are right that I usually do not give a loan to a user who is not in a signature campaign (except a few users who are moderators or have a lot of earned merit). When anyone applies for any loan on my lending thread firstly I check the campaign, then earned merit, and then recent post history.

Do you need to give such person a neutral tag for applying a loan without any collateral or for being inactive?
Usually when we see such activity it's assume that such user is a scammer or his account is being hacked and used to apply for a loan without a collateral even though most newbies do apply for a loan I sees it as an usual activity for a newbie or inactive member to come request for loan it's very suspicious. Whenever I see them two things comes into my mind either hacked or stolen account.

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on October 26, 2023, 04:34:26 AM

Plus, as you are no doubt aware, the sale of UID's usually comes with an address and or email, so the request is moot.

Exactly, what made me suspect that this account ~Money~ might have been sold or hacked is the user's behavior on the forum even that he is an old user and have enough knowledge about how things works here. Requesting a loan after a long period of inactivity and no posting doesn't make sense for an old user, as he would know he won't get the loan and instead he might receive a neutral or even a negative trust for an account without any suspicious or bad activities.

Now, and once again the account has entered a period of inactivity, and we will have to wait for his next post when he wake up.

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