Topic: RED Trust...is it enough for fraudulent work ??? (Read 2255 times)

I have to do it sometimes soon, the problem is editing big post from the phone is horrible. I need some free time behind the PC and when I get the chance I'll do it.

This may be quite useful to quote in your trust section of your: Don't Panic:  Iasenkos Official Hitchhiker's Guide to the BTCitcointalk Galaxy [/b]

I've just included a link to that here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.38765392 so I didn't have to duplicate the information that you have already provided.

It is a funny thread if you compare it to a real life situation like " if a traffic light has shown a red light and you are trespassing it and got hit, can you blame the red light or the one who make the traffic light or the police?" It is almost the same like how DT trust works. I believe red trust from DT with enough reference on the scam are trusted enough to stop us from being scammed, which can reduce the number of scam in the future, but it seems there are more people who like to gamble by trespassing the red light nowadays, and when they got hit, they blame others.

Yes¹, I know - you are having a good time. Happy for you.

Indeed! So let's walk through that direction then....

Anyway....
You can visit the post, I have updated it: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--4221113

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Update
¹ The "Yes" was not meant to say that investing in that site is safe.  

I will request to OP, please lock this thread from lower left. Look like discussion is gone out of subject. Even red tag not enough for scammer/spammer it's give warning to dealing with red taged member's. There is reference on comment why tagged a member's. So it's easy to find who is scammer or spammer.

Fixed that quote for you with proper link 
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--4221113
As you can see, time is today, as I just signed up to "project2018" under your sponsorship. Tell me, as my sponsor, is it safe to invest in that site? 

Ok, i will stop posting and replying to this topic because it went to completely different direction. Or not?

 

Show me where I have doxxed your wife.

You just made the accusation. Now provide the proof.

Dox:
In regards to your information - you published your full name and LinkedIn profile as well as your twitter.

You posted your name and linkedin here in April and rest of the stuff here in May

Unless I published your phone number or home address (which I won't) there is nothing more to doxx.

Archive for reference

Promoting twitter account to promote ponzi now is becoming a blame for doxxing. See how you manipulate information?  
Did I (?) When? After you pulled my information from the web and dumped them on your post or before?


Would you mind? http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4019640.new
Screenshot


This is an older cached version on google by the way which anyone (the world) could access and even they still can.




http://archive.is/CiVJK#selection-1067.41-1067.84
May be someone will be interested to click on those images from the bottom from this google page

On the top under the navigation follow those ones which has  this...
Bitcoin Forum > Economy > Trading Discussion > Scam Accusations (Moderator: Cyrus) > Serial feedback blackmailer - mdayonliner

Have I volunteered my wife's social media information?

See this is what I am calling diversion. This has already been responded.

Why are you bringing old stuffs again? These has answered already. Diversion? The original conversation was started here with me and marlboroza so that I can talk back and forth with him/her but you stepped in and again started messing things around.

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Good that you are keeping all the quotes so that I can not change information which I don't actually. I always keep records intact even if I see I could get trouble. You can justify from the PM I sent to Lutpin where I could delete the evidence but I archived it just to keep reference. Too much for me going through but yes I will see the link and will write you back.

It's really good to see how hard you guys are trying to keep the forum free from scam. On the process you even do not bother to cool down your head and readjust your prior perception. All these things I have done in the past does not have anything to do with the forum lifetime. I never scammed anyone on the forum nor even outside the forum but here I am, defending myself to restore my honour. I may not be able to fight against it alone but I will try my best.

Few things not the  least....
Time is relevant
Place is relevant

It's very curious, you have trust system where when user gives someone green/red trust, there is a reference link or explanation of reasons. From them and with your mind/brain, you have to decide whether trust or not user.
Looking for "ideas" how are you going to deal with scammers? Everyone can lie, no matter what you'll do, it's impossible to prevent.
And it's not our duty ensure a safe environment here for our upcoming generation. Our duty is to share knowledge and help each other. When we had bad deal, we mark them. Don't look for help in everything, take some risks on your own.

Quoted for for record, archived here http://archive.is/FrCjd and reposted here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--4221113

RED trust might not be enough but doing more is on the basis of the power available to the people with default trust ability and doing the right thing which I am sure if given more, they would surely try to reduce the amount of people engaged in fraudulent activities on the forum. The most important we need to focus on is the enlightenment of people not to fall for scams as some of those scams are really too cheap for someone who values money to see but as a newbie greedy to make tons of money within a short period of time, everything seems legit and the quickest way to achieve financial objectives.

More in my opinion needs to be done on accounts exchange as everyone that is on the forum, is dealt with on that basis. The moment that part can be sanitized, more of high ranked accounts would be nuked to carry out fraudulent activities while the newbie accounts would still be seen with much suspicions to be trusted with funds.

Stop talking crap Mdayonliner.

I didn't dox you. You doxed yourself. You even volunteered the information. Here




Nothing I posted was irrelevant to the accusation. I didn't post any details that didn't need to be there. Everything is available because either you posted it on the internet yourself or it is public record. I deliberately did not post information that was unnecessary.

You are selective in your posts. Stop scamming everyone with your "poor me" story.

This is how you treat people:


You got caught scamming. You promoted a scam and people that participated in the scam lost money and bitcoin.

End of story.

I have never promoted any ponzi on the forum not even since I have started my journey here. After that last video I left all the online affilaite businesses promoting for others.




I had/have nothing personal with you. Have I bought anyone from here? They also have problems with me like you have.


The image says,

To be precise, it cannot be called a punishment, but it is more of a warning for others not to trust the person for anything in future. And that works, if people are careful when doing things involving money.


The trust system is for the users of this forum to be safe from frauds or scams as it represents the reputation of a user that is involved in something in this forum, or has an account in the forum but doing something bad outside it and is caught. A user cannot get back to doing something again in the forum with the same account if it is marked red, obviously. If they do it outside the forum, then it is your responsibility not to trust someone just like that.


Of course it is your responsibility if you deal with someone having negative trust and get scammed. When you see a board saying "Danger ahead" and you still go there, it is you who is responsible for what happens.


It is enough. Banning someone for only being untrustworthy is not how this forum works. So this generation or any upcoming generations will have to learn to understand warnings.


You should learn not to blindly trust anyone, no matter how good others say they are. Someone in the DT is not supposed to be an angel, or to be trusted with anything, because they are included in DT if someone already in DT gives them a positive trust rating, and that does not mean they cannot do wrong things, except from some of them.

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Why are you bringing all this "I have never promoted scam on forum" crap? What difference does it make?

Are you denying that you promoted a ponzi ?


I posted in accordance to the rules - it was information you had posted on the forum yourself.

In order to be able to post more information and ensure that google cannot index it I moved it to the investigations forum in accordance to the rules.


You are not actively defending yourself - you are creating a diversion by trying to make me look bad.

If you defend yourself then you explain your actions. You can't explain your involvement in the ponzi so you create a diversion instead.

Effectively you are harassing and stalking me by doing that. You could just never mention my name again and then I never will reply to you again.

archive for reference
O - is he?

You were stalking on my wife's social media pages.
You are still spreading lies against me that I am promoting ponzi on the forum and my twitter promotion was to advertise ponzi.
You were/are harassing me just because I found suspicious activities on your merit transaction.
You think If I can post my private stuffs on the forum then you can too

Who is nonsense?

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You always create diversion when I try to defend my reputation on the forum.
Anyway I would ask the readers to refresh their mind which I actually posted for everyone to read here

Obviously you didn't understand what he was saying. He was referring to you when he said:


He was referring to you when he was talking about the "games".

Anyone doing any research will see that you are quoting most of the other stuff out of context. I'm not going to waste my time replying to most of the nonsense that you have posted.

Obviously when anything goes wrong for you it is automatically my fault.

Yes - you are doing a good job at stalking me.

Check each topic and see who mentions xtraelv or mdayonliner first in that thread.

Archive for reference

Where in my twitter? What makes you think I promoted it here to advertise scam? Your manipulated mind can think anything and I see that is working very well.
I always said the self promotion was to add it on my portfolio because I wanted to offer signature and bounty management service.
I understand your petty games.

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All the media accounts are set to public and are asking for followers so you can advertise more.

I am a stalker for looking at an advertised social media account ?

Remember - it was you that told me:




There is a link right under it with the video and time that you say it.  After you say Uday is a good guy you explain how much money people lost due to his actions. That is what I was talking about.


You are so concerned about your privacy that you post links to your social media on bitcointalk here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.37072867

There is nothing "personal" about advertising a SCAM on a publicly view-able social media page that is linked to a social media page that is actively advertised on here..