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“The planet as a whole is doing what was expected in terms of warming. Sea ice as a whole is decreasing as expected, but just like with global warming, not every location with sea ice will have a downward trend in ice extent,” Parkinson said.

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“Its really not surprising to people in the climate field that not every location on the face of Earth is acting as expected – it would be amazing if everything did,” Parkinson said. “The Antarctic sea ice is one of those areas where things have not gone entirely as expected. So it’s natural for scientists to ask, ‘OK, this isn’t what we expected, now how can we explain it?’”

i suggest bombing the antarctic! Angry Grin


OK, this isn’t what we expected, now how can we doublespeak it?


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priceless: http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum

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“The planet as a whole is doing what was expected in terms of warming. Sea ice as a whole is decreasing as expected, but just like with global warming, not every location with sea ice will have a downward trend in ice extent,” Parkinson said.

Roll Eyes


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“Its really not surprising to people in the climate field that not every location on the face of Earth is acting as expected – it would be amazing if everything did,” Parkinson said. “The Antarctic sea ice is one of those areas where things have not gone entirely as expected. So it’s natural for scientists to ask, ‘OK, this isn’t what we expected, now how can we explain it?’”

i suggest bombing the antarctic! Angry Grin
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Relax men, the next call for racketeering investigation will undoubtedly start thus:

Dear President Obama, Attorney General Lynch, and War Director Fruttkake,

As you know, an overwhelming majority of non-psychopaths are convinced about the potentially serious adverse effects of human-induced wars, on totally false and fraudulent pretenses, on human health, agriculture, and biodiversity...........

Look, we've got to stick with the science, and everyone knows that the consensus of Scientists is that the world is warming up.  And it's caused by Deniers.  The ones that don't agree with the Consensus, those guys.  But don't worry - our Scientists continue to do great work, even while the naysayers argue ridiculous things.  I mean, can you believe it?  They argue it hasn't warmed in twenty years, the Antarctic ice is growing, and crops grow better with CO2 higher.

You know we know better, because we're the Consensus.  And don't worry, you'll get rewarded hansomely for being on the right side.  Now here's an example of right thinking - trees can't do the job of fixing the planet - it's way past that, almost too late to save the planet at this point.

But if we could just make a new, better tree, then paint all the land white, so it would reflect sun back up into the sky - that might work. 

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/08/31/the-artificial-tree-green-replacement-real-trees/
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Relax men, the next call for racketeering investigation will undoubtedly start thus:

Dear President Obama, Attorney General Lynch, and War Director Fruttkake,

As you know, an overwhelming majority of non-psychopaths are convinced about the potentially serious adverse effects of human-induced wars, on totally false and fraudulent pretenses, on human health, agriculture, and biodiversity...........
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Debate no more! Jailed for scientific dissent?! Twenty climate scientists, including Top UN scientist, call for RICO investigation of climate skeptics in letter to Obama

Warmist scientists including UN IPCC Lead Author Kevin Trenberth to Obama: ...recently proposed by Senator Sheldon Whitehouse – is a RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act)...

Letter to President Obama, Attorney General Lynch, and OSTP Director Holdren

September 1, 2015


Dear President Obama, Attorney General Lynch, and OSTP Director Holdren,
... finding effective ways to restabilize the Earth’s climate, before even more lasting damage is done.
Sincerely,
Jagadish Shukla, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA
Edward Maibach, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA
Paul Dirmeyer, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA
Barry Klinger, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA
Paul Schopf, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA
David Straus, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA
Edward Sarachik, University of Washington, Seattle, WA
Michael Wallace, University of Washington, Seattle, WA
Alan Robock, Rutgers University, New Brunswick, NJ
Eugenia Kalnay, University of Maryland, College Park, MD
William Lau, University of Maryland, College Park, MD
Kevin Trenberth, National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, CO
T.N. Krishnamurti, Florida State University, Tallahassee, FL
Vasu Misra, Florida State University, Tallahassee, FL
Ben Kirtman, University of Miami, Miami, FL
Robert Dickinson, University of Texas, Austin, TX
Michela Biasutti, Earth Institute, Columbia University, New York, NY
Mark Cane, Columbia University, New York, NY
Lisa Goddard, Earth Institute, Columbia University, New York, NY
Alan Betts, Atmospheric Research, Pittsford, VT


I got to thinking of this in this in the context of the 'red scare', 'McCarthyism', and 'black-listing'.  Same shit, different assholes.  History will be no more kind to these people than it was to Joe McCarthy and his minions and hopefully much less so.  I'll work toward that outcome.


Trenberth - For GLOBAL COOLING IN THE 1970s/1980s

And still chasing the tail of the money, now in GLOBAL WARMING.
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Debate no more! Jailed for scientific dissent?! Twenty climate scientists, including Top UN scientist, call for RICO investigation of climate skeptics in letter to Obama

Warmist scientists including UN IPCC Lead Author Kevin Trenberth to Obama: ...recently proposed by Senator Sheldon Whitehouse – is a RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act)...

Letter to President Obama, Attorney General Lynch, and OSTP Director Holdren

September 1, 2015


Dear President Obama, Attorney General Lynch, and OSTP Director Holdren,
... finding effective ways to restabilize the Earth’s climate, before even more lasting damage is done.
Sincerely,
Jagadish Shukla, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA
Edward Maibach, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA
Paul Dirmeyer, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA
Barry Klinger, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA
Paul Schopf, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA
David Straus, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA
Edward Sarachik, University of Washington, Seattle, WA
Michael Wallace, University of Washington, Seattle, WA
Alan Robock, Rutgers University, New Brunswick, NJ
Eugenia Kalnay, University of Maryland, College Park, MD
William Lau, University of Maryland, College Park, MD
Kevin Trenberth, National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, CO
T.N. Krishnamurti, Florida State University, Tallahassee, FL
Vasu Misra, Florida State University, Tallahassee, FL
Ben Kirtman, University of Miami, Miami, FL
Robert Dickinson, University of Texas, Austin, TX
Michela Biasutti, Earth Institute, Columbia University, New York, NY
Mark Cane, Columbia University, New York, NY
Lisa Goddard, Earth Institute, Columbia University, New York, NY
Alan Betts, Atmospheric Research, Pittsford, VT


I got to thinking of this in this in the context of the 'red scare', 'McCarthyism', and 'black-listing'.  Same shit, different assholes.  History will be no more kind to these people than it was to Joe McCarthy and his minions and hopefully much less so.  I'll work toward that outcome.

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Debate no more! Jailed for scientific dissent?! Twenty climate scientists, including Top UN scientist, call for RICO investigation of climate skeptics in letter to Obama



Warmist scientists including UN IPCC Lead Author Kevin Trenberth to Obama: ‘We appreciate that you are making aggressive and imaginative use of the limited tools available to you in the face of a recalcitrant Congress. One additional tool – recently proposed by Senator Sheldon Whitehouse – is a RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act) investigation of corporations and other organizations that have knowingly deceived the American people about the risks of climate change, as a means to forestall America’s response to climate change. We strongly endorse Senator Whitehouse’s call for a RICO investigation.’

Via Politico: ‘Twenty climate scientists called for RICO investigation in a letter to Obama and U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch. The scientists argue that the systemic efforts to prevent the public from understanding climate change resembles the investigation undertaken against tobacco. They draw inspiration from Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse who said on the Senate floor that there might be a similar conspiracy here, and a civil trial could provide the tools of discovery needed to find out.’


http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/09/17/twenty-climate-scientists-including-top-un-scientist-call-for-rico-investigation-of-climate-skeptics-in-a-letter-to-obama-argue-skeptics-guilty-of-disinformation-like-tobacco-companies/



Letter to President Obama, Attorney General Lynch, and OSTP Director Holdren

September 1, 2015



Dear President Obama, Attorney General Lynch, and OSTP Director Holdren,

As you know, an overwhelming majority of climate scientists are convinced about the potentially serious adverse effects of human-induced climate change on human health, agriculture, and biodiversity. We applaud your efforts to regulate emissions and the other steps you are taking. Nonetheless, as climate scientists we are exceedingly concerned that America’s response to climate change – indeed, the world’s response to climate change – is insufficient. The risks posed by climate change, including increasing extreme weather events, rising sea levels, and increasing ocean acidity – and potential strategies for addressing them – are detailed in the Third National Climate Assessment (2014), Climate Change Impacts in the United States. The stability of the Earth’s climate over the past ten thousand years contributed to the growth of agriculture and therefore, a thriving human civilization. We are now at high risk of seriously destabilizing the Earth’s climate and irreparably harming people around the world, especially the world’s poorest people.

We appreciate that you are making aggressive and imaginative use of the limited tools available to you in the face of a recalcitrant Congress. One additional tool – recently proposed by Senator Sheldon Whitehouse – is a RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act) investigation of corporations and other organizations that have knowingly deceived the American people about the risks of climate change, as a means to forestall America’s response to climate change. The actions of these organizations have been extensively documented in peerreviewed academic research (Brulle, 2013) and in recent books including: Doubt is their Product (Michaels, 2008), Climate Cover-Up (Hoggan & Littlemore, 2009), Merchants of Doubt (Oreskes & Conway, 2010), The Climate War (Pooley, 2010), and in The Climate Deception Dossiers (Union of Concerned Scientists, 2015). We strongly endorse Senator Whitehouse’s call for a RICO investigation.

The methods of these organizations are quite similar to those used earlier by the tobacco industry. A RICO investigation (1999 to 2006) played an important role in stopping the tobacco industry from continuing to deceive the American people about the dangers of smoking. If corporations in the fossil fuel industry and their supporters are guilty of the misdeeds that have been documented in books and journal articles, it is imperative that these misdeeds be stopped as soon as possible so that America and the world can get on with the critically important business of finding effective ways to restabilize the Earth’s climate, before even more lasting damage is done.

Sincerely,

Jagadish Shukla, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA
Edward Maibach, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA
Paul Dirmeyer, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA
Barry Klinger, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA
Paul Schopf, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA
David Straus, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA
Edward Sarachik, University of Washington, Seattle, WA
Michael Wallace, University of Washington, Seattle, WA
Alan Robock, Rutgers University, New Brunswick, NJ
Eugenia Kalnay, University of Maryland, College Park, MD
William Lau, University of Maryland, College Park, MD
Kevin Trenberth, National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, CO
T.N. Krishnamurti, Florida State University, Tallahassee, FL
Vasu Misra, Florida State University, Tallahassee, FL
Ben Kirtman, University of Miami, Miami, FL
Robert Dickinson, University of Texas, Austin, TX
Michela Biasutti, Earth Institute, Columbia University, New York, NY
Mark Cane, Columbia University, New York, NY
Lisa Goddard, Earth Institute, Columbia University, New York, NY
Alan Betts, Atmospheric Research, Pittsford, VT

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good quote ....

fecally consensused scientards suckling from the government-funded teet of stupidity and perverse incentives…
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Antarctic sea ice hit 35-year record high Saturday (washingtonpost.com)










Antarctic sea ice has grown to a record large extent for a second straight year, baffling scientists seeking to understand why this ice is expanding rather than shrinking in a warming world.

On Saturday, the ice extent reached 19.51 million square kilometers, according to data posted on the National Snow and Ice Data Center Web site. That number bested record high levels set earlier this month and in 2012 (of 19.48 million square kilometers). Records date back to October 1978.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2013/09/23/antarctic-sea-ice-hit-35-year-record-high-saturday/









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NY Times Op-Ed: Climate Change Will Usher In A Second Holocaust…



A new Holocaust is lurking just around the corner, and it will be caused by climate change, Yale historian Timothy Snyder said in a New York Times op-ed over the weekend.

As disruptions in the earth's climate make food and other essential resources scarcer, men will slaughter one another under the banner of "them or us," he added, suggesting that this is not unlike when Nazi Germany tried in the 20th century to wipe out the Jews.

Unsurprisingly, Snyder's op-ed has been met in certain corners with criticism and outright mockery.

"Liberal professors and organizations like Snyder and The New York Times are much more concerned about inciting guilt and panic to further their own agenda than they are about addressing real tragedies currently taking place around the world," Newsbuster's Spencer Raley wrote in response to the op-ed.

National Review's Robert Zubrin summed up Snyder's article by saying, "So we are looking at the grim prospect of world war and genocide over resources. And it's all America's fault."

The Washington Examiner's David Freddoso added, "This is simply insane. Like, lock up the author, he's insane."

But for Snyder, it's a near certain thing that climate change, which he also refers to as "global warming," will bring about mass genocide not unlike the Nazi slaughter of the Jews.

"[T]he Nazi Final Solution ... was in fact the killing of human beings at close range during a war for resources," Snyder wrote. "The war that brought Jews under German control was fought because Hitler believed that Germany needed more land and food to survive and maintain its standard of living — and that Jews, and their ideas, posed a threat to his violent expansionist program."

"The Holocaust may seem a distant horror whose lessons have already been learned," he added. "But sadly, the anxieties of our own era could once again give rise to scapegoats and imagined enemies, while contemporary environmental stresses could encourage new variations on Hitler's ideas, especially in countries anxious about feeding their growing populations or maintaining a rising standard of living."

German domination was based on the "denial of science," he explained, suggesting also the existence of eerie similarities between the rise of Adolf Hitler's Third Reich and efforts today to challenge the science of climate change.

"Climate change threatens to provoke a new ecological panic. So far, poor people in Africa and the Middle East have borne the brunt of the suffering," he wrote.

The op-ed goes on to suggest that economic crises in countries affected by "global warming," including China and Russia, could spill over into violent conquests for resources, ultimately coming to the shores of the United States.

"The full consequences of climate change may reach America only decades after warming wreaks havoc in other regions. And by then it will be too late for climate science and energy technology to make any difference," Snyder claimed. "Indeed, by the time the door is open to the demagogy of ecological panic in the United States, Americans will have spent years spreading climate disaster around the world."

He concludes by asking whether Americans will at long last accept the science of "global warming" and act to mitigate its damage, or whether they will go the way of the Nazis and react violently as "a wave of ecological panic" spreads across the world.


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2572061/?utm_content=buffer1ec4e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer



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hey not funny! im pretty sure the gaz chambers have had an impact on AGW..

tis iz zienzzze! Roll Eyes


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NY Times Op-Ed: Climate Change Will Usher In A Second Holocaust…



A new Holocaust is lurking just around the corner, and it will be caused by climate change, Yale historian Timothy Snyder said in a New York Times op-ed over the weekend.

As disruptions in the earth's climate make food and other essential resources scarcer, men will slaughter one another under the banner of "them or us," he added, suggesting that this is not unlike when Nazi Germany tried in the 20th century to wipe out the Jews.

Unsurprisingly, Snyder's op-ed has been met in certain corners with criticism and outright mockery.

"Liberal professors and organizations like Snyder and The New York Times are much more concerned about inciting guilt and panic to further their own agenda than they are about addressing real tragedies currently taking place around the world," Newsbuster's Spencer Raley wrote in response to the op-ed.

National Review's Robert Zubrin summed up Snyder's article by saying, "So we are looking at the grim prospect of world war and genocide over resources. And it's all America's fault."

The Washington Examiner's David Freddoso added, "This is simply insane. Like, lock up the author, he's insane."

But for Snyder, it's a near certain thing that climate change, which he also refers to as "global warming," will bring about mass genocide not unlike the Nazi slaughter of the Jews.

"[T]he Nazi Final Solution ... was in fact the killing of human beings at close range during a war for resources," Snyder wrote. "The war that brought Jews under German control was fought because Hitler believed that Germany needed more land and food to survive and maintain its standard of living — and that Jews, and their ideas, posed a threat to his violent expansionist program."

"The Holocaust may seem a distant horror whose lessons have already been learned," he added. "But sadly, the anxieties of our own era could once again give rise to scapegoats and imagined enemies, while contemporary environmental stresses could encourage new variations on Hitler's ideas, especially in countries anxious about feeding their growing populations or maintaining a rising standard of living."

German domination was based on the "denial of science," he explained, suggesting also the existence of eerie similarities between the rise of Adolf Hitler's Third Reich and efforts today to challenge the science of climate change.

"Climate change threatens to provoke a new ecological panic. So far, poor people in Africa and the Middle East have borne the brunt of the suffering," he wrote.

The op-ed goes on to suggest that economic crises in countries affected by "global warming," including China and Russia, could spill over into violent conquests for resources, ultimately coming to the shores of the United States.

"The full consequences of climate change may reach America only decades after warming wreaks havoc in other regions. And by then it will be too late for climate science and energy technology to make any difference," Snyder claimed. "Indeed, by the time the door is open to the demagogy of ecological panic in the United States, Americans will have spent years spreading climate disaster around the world."

He concludes by asking whether Americans will at long last accept the science of "global warming" and act to mitigate its damage, or whether they will go the way of the Nazis and react violently as "a wave of ecological panic" spreads across the world.


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2572061/?utm_content=buffer1ec4e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer



Godwin!


hey not funny! im pretty sure the gaz chambers have had an impact on AGW..

tis iz zienzzze! Roll Eyes
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NY Times Op-Ed: Climate Change Will Usher In A Second Holocaust…



A new Holocaust is lurking just around the corner, and it will be caused by climate change, Yale historian Timothy Snyder said in a New York Times op-ed over the weekend.

As disruptions in the earth's climate make food and other essential resources scarcer, men will slaughter one another under the banner of "them or us," he added, suggesting that this is not unlike when Nazi Germany tried in the 20th century to wipe out the Jews.

Unsurprisingly, Snyder's op-ed has been met in certain corners with criticism and outright mockery.

"Liberal professors and organizations like Snyder and The New York Times are much more concerned about inciting guilt and panic to further their own agenda than they are about addressing real tragedies currently taking place around the world," Newsbuster's Spencer Raley wrote in response to the op-ed.

National Review's Robert Zubrin summed up Snyder's article by saying, "So we are looking at the grim prospect of world war and genocide over resources. And it's all America's fault."

The Washington Examiner's David Freddoso added, "This is simply insane. Like, lock up the author, he's insane."

But for Snyder, it's a near certain thing that climate change, which he also refers to as "global warming," will bring about mass genocide not unlike the Nazi slaughter of the Jews.

"[T]he Nazi Final Solution ... was in fact the killing of human beings at close range during a war for resources," Snyder wrote. "The war that brought Jews under German control was fought because Hitler believed that Germany needed more land and food to survive and maintain its standard of living — and that Jews, and their ideas, posed a threat to his violent expansionist program."

"The Holocaust may seem a distant horror whose lessons have already been learned," he added. "But sadly, the anxieties of our own era could once again give rise to scapegoats and imagined enemies, while contemporary environmental stresses could encourage new variations on Hitler's ideas, especially in countries anxious about feeding their growing populations or maintaining a rising standard of living."

German domination was based on the "denial of science," he explained, suggesting also the existence of eerie similarities between the rise of Adolf Hitler's Third Reich and efforts today to challenge the science of climate change.

"Climate change threatens to provoke a new ecological panic. So far, poor people in Africa and the Middle East have borne the brunt of the suffering," he wrote.

The op-ed goes on to suggest that economic crises in countries affected by "global warming," including China and Russia, could spill over into violent conquests for resources, ultimately coming to the shores of the United States.

"The full consequences of climate change may reach America only decades after warming wreaks havoc in other regions. And by then it will be too late for climate science and energy technology to make any difference," Snyder claimed. "Indeed, by the time the door is open to the demagogy of ecological panic in the United States, Americans will have spent years spreading climate disaster around the world."

He concludes by asking whether Americans will at long last accept the science of "global warming" and act to mitigate its damage, or whether they will go the way of the Nazis and react violently as "a wave of ecological panic" spreads across the world.


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2572061/?utm_content=buffer1ec4e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer



Godwin!
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NY Times Op-Ed: Climate Change Will Usher In A Second Holocaust…



A new Holocaust is lurking just around the corner, and it will be caused by climate change, Yale historian Timothy Snyder said in a New York Times op-ed over the weekend.

As disruptions in the earth's climate make food and other essential resources scarcer, men will slaughter one another under the banner of "them or us," he added, suggesting that this is not unlike when Nazi Germany tried in the 20th century to wipe out the Jews.

Unsurprisingly, Snyder's op-ed has been met in certain corners with criticism and outright mockery.

"Liberal professors and organizations like Snyder and The New York Times are much more concerned about inciting guilt and panic to further their own agenda than they are about addressing real tragedies currently taking place around the world," Newsbuster's Spencer Raley wrote in response to the op-ed.

National Review's Robert Zubrin summed up Snyder's article by saying, "So we are looking at the grim prospect of world war and genocide over resources. And it's all America's fault."

The Washington Examiner's David Freddoso added, "This is simply insane. Like, lock up the author, he's insane."

But for Snyder, it's a near certain thing that climate change, which he also refers to as "global warming," will bring about mass genocide not unlike the Nazi slaughter of the Jews.

"[T]he Nazi Final Solution ... was in fact the killing of human beings at close range during a war for resources," Snyder wrote. "The war that brought Jews under German control was fought because Hitler believed that Germany needed more land and food to survive and maintain its standard of living — and that Jews, and their ideas, posed a threat to his violent expansionist program."

"The Holocaust may seem a distant horror whose lessons have already been learned," he added. "But sadly, the anxieties of our own era could once again give rise to scapegoats and imagined enemies, while contemporary environmental stresses could encourage new variations on Hitler's ideas, especially in countries anxious about feeding their growing populations or maintaining a rising standard of living."

German domination was based on the "denial of science," he explained, suggesting also the existence of eerie similarities between the rise of Adolf Hitler's Third Reich and efforts today to challenge the science of climate change.

"Climate change threatens to provoke a new ecological panic. So far, poor people in Africa and the Middle East have borne the brunt of the suffering," he wrote.

The op-ed goes on to suggest that economic crises in countries affected by "global warming," including China and Russia, could spill over into violent conquests for resources, ultimately coming to the shores of the United States.

"The full consequences of climate change may reach America only decades after warming wreaks havoc in other regions. And by then it will be too late for climate science and energy technology to make any difference," Snyder claimed. "Indeed, by the time the door is open to the demagogy of ecological panic in the United States, Americans will have spent years spreading climate disaster around the world."

He concludes by asking whether Americans will at long last accept the science of "global warming" and act to mitigate its damage, or whether they will go the way of the Nazis and react violently as "a wave of ecological panic" spreads across the world.


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2572061/?utm_content=buffer1ec4e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer


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What about the greenies that do their best to make energy expensive? 

I always thought that was pretty suspicious.  But the whole thing is nuts. 

If I had control of a decreasingly easily accessible supply of fossil fuel reserves which limited competition from entry, it would hardly break my heart to see the price that the consumer pays for my product go up.

One of the most surprising things to me when I started studying this 'global climate change' thing was the lack of evidence that the evil fossil fuel companies were significantly supporting the 'skeptics'.  I had pretty much bought the party line that this was a big factor, but when I look into even the most promoted cases (such as the Willie Soon situation) I see surprisingly little.  Those scientist who do buck the 'consensus' seem to do so at great risk to their careers and seem to do so on a shoe-string budget especially when compared to their counterparts.

It really looks to me like almost all of the environmental groups are at best 'controlled opposition' to the corporate multi-nationals, and more and more are not even 'opposition' any more.  They put on a little bit of a show for their naive supporters from time to time but increasingly they don't even seem to be bothering with that.  And the regulatory agencies are flat out lobbyists and cheerleaders for the industries that they are supposed to be regulating.  That has been the case for nearly forever.

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Greenie alarmists? lol

GWPF studies cannot be taken seriously.  The charity founder (Nigel Lawson) has got ties to a gigantic coal-fired power station in Poland and lets not forget their academic advisory council member, Professor Ian Plimer, who just so happens to be a director to a large Australian coal company. Reckon there has got to be some conflicts of interest.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2012/mar/06/climate-change-sceptic-lawson-coal?newsfeed=true

Would you really like to discount the science produced by anyone who has a financial interest (not to mention other interests) in the outcome of policy decisions associated with 'climate change'?  Just wondering.



No I wouldn't like to discount it, just bringing awareness to the fact that studies released by agenda-driven organizations is more likely to be biased. Same applies to both sides of climate change debate.
What about the greenies that do their best to make energy expensive? 

I always thought that was pretty suspicious.  But the whole thing is nuts. 
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Greenie alarmists? lol

GWPF studies cannot be taken seriously.  The charity founder (Nigel Lawson) has got ties to a gigantic coal-fired power station in Poland and lets not forget their academic advisory council member, Professor Ian Plimer, who just so happens to be a director to a large Australian coal company. Reckon there has got to be some conflicts of interest.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2012/mar/06/climate-change-sceptic-lawson-coal?newsfeed=true

Would you really like to discount the science produced by anyone who has a financial interest (not to mention other interests) in the outcome of policy decisions associated with 'climate change'?  Just wondering.



No I wouldn't like to discount it, just bringing awareness to the fact that studies released by agenda-driven organizations is more likely to be biased. Same applies to both sides of climate change debate.
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Greenie alarmists? lol

GWPF studies cannot be taken seriously.  The charity founder (Nigel Lawson) has got ties to a gigantic coal-fired power station in Poland and lets not forget their academic advisory council member, Professor Ian Plimer, who just so happens to be a director to a large Australian coal company. Reckon there has got to be some conflicts of interest.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2012/mar/06/climate-change-sceptic-lawson-coal?newsfeed=true
I don't see much in this.  "Link to COAL === BAD."

Not that I believe COAL = BAD but....

Australian greenies have somehow....banished nuclear power, forced their entire continent to rely on baseline coal.  Go figure.  Now what's a True Greenie to do?

Nigel as I recall is a really straight up guy.
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Greenie alarmists? lol

GWPF studies cannot be taken seriously.  The charity founder (Nigel Lawson) has got ties to a gigantic coal-fired power station in Poland and lets not forget their academic advisory council member, Professor Ian Plimer, who just so happens to be a director to a large Australian coal company. Reckon there has got to be some conflicts of interest.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2012/mar/06/climate-change-sceptic-lawson-coal?newsfeed=true

Would you really like to discount the science produced by anyone who has a financial interest (not to mention other interests) in the outcome of policy decisions associated with 'climate change'?  Just wondering.

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