I had to lookup Infighting in my pokedex... never heard it before.
Of course, why would you use a dictionary? http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/infighting
Topic: Redsn0w, negative/neutral/or no trust due to Escrow negligence? - page 2. (Read 2788 times)
January 05, 2015, 11:35:58 PM
I had to lookup Infighting in my pokedex... never heard it before.
Of course, why would you use a dictionary? http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/infighting
January 05, 2015, 11:23:14 PM
Now I'm asking why a negative feedback if all was resolved ,nothing else ? I will not provide new escrow service , so people will worry about what ?
I think the bolded part is what's causing the issue. Didn't BadBear remove the negative under the promise you would do no escrow service at all?
That's assuming we have the same intelligence as you. I'm not so easily manipulated.
January 05, 2015, 11:22:26 PM
Now I'm asking why a negative feedback if all was resolved ,nothing else ? I will not provide new escrow service , so people will worry about what ?
I think the bolded part is what's causing the issue. Didn't BadBear remove the negative under the promise you would do no escrow service at all?
That's assuming we have the same intelligence as you. I'm not so easily manipulated.
January 05, 2015, 11:20:27 PM
Now I'm asking why a negative feedback if all was resolved ,nothing else ? I will not provide new escrow service , so people will worry about what ?
I think the bolded part is what's causing the issue. Didn't BadBear remove the negative under the promise you would do no escrow service at all?
That's assuming we have the same intelligence as you. I'm not so easily manipulated.
January 05, 2015, 11:17:10 PM
Now I'm asking why a negative feedback if all was resolved ,nothing else ? I will not provide new escrow service , so people will worry about what ?
I think the bolded part is what's causing the issue. Didn't BadBear remove the negative under the promise you would do no escrow service at all?
January 05, 2015, 11:11:13 PM
Now I'm asking why a negative feedback if all was resolved ,nothing else ? I will not provide new escrow service , so people will worry about what ?
I think the bolded part is what's causing the issue. Didn't BadBear remove the negative under the promise you would do no escrow service at all?
January 05, 2015, 10:00:01 PM
Thanks guys for yours opinion , in this forum I've learned if you make a mistake you will receive a ~negative feedback ( also if the "mistake" has been "recovered). It is strange , but it is how it works here. If the account has not been recovered I will sure would paid him , because I didn't want to ruin my reputation for 0.80 bitcoin. However , sorry for the "trouble" that I've generated here, and thanks again.
Mistakes can cost people a lot of money here and people are right to question your ability as an escrow. It's easy to say in retrospect that you would've paid but your previous comments make me not so certain. 0.8 isn't much and it's possible you would have just paid it to save your rep but what if a signature campaign or an ipo goes bad next time where there's a lot more money at stake?
This is why I've stopped to provide new escrow services and try to complete the actuals , but I have received another negative feedback. I've tried to "demonstrate" or better repay my mistake and with the help of the admin and the other users the account was recovered.
Now I'm asking why a negative feedback if all was resolved ,nothing else ? I will not provide new escrow service , so people will worry about what ?
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January 05, 2015, 09:52:12 PM
Thanks guys for yours opinion , in this forum I've learned if you make a mistake you will receive a ~negative feedback ( also if the "mistake" has been "recovered). It is strange , but it is how it works here. If the account has not been recovered I will sure would paid him , because I didn't want to ruin my reputation for 0.80 bitcoin. However , sorry for the "trouble" that I've generated here, and thanks again.
Mistakes can cost people a lot of money here and people are right to question your ability as an escrow. It's easy to say in retrospect that you would've paid but your previous comments make me not so certain. 0.8 isn't much and it's possible you would have just paid it to save your rep but what if a signature campaign or an ipo goes bad next time where there's a lot more money at stake?
January 05, 2015, 09:39:11 PM
Thanks guys for yours opinion , in this forum I've learned if you make a mistake you will receive a ~negative feedback ( also if the "mistake" has been "recovered). It is strange , but it is how it works here. If the account has not been recovered I will sure would paid him , because I didn't want to ruin my reputation for 0.80 bitcoin. However , sorry for the "trouble" that I've generated here, and thanks again.
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January 05, 2015, 09:23:50 PM
Do you think your feedback is "right" ? Why don't change it to neutral as the other users done ? I think I don't deserve the negative feedback , it is this the problem.
I'm not offering more new escrow service here , and it is obviously if one want deal with me he has to check my history profile ( as all the users make to the other users before start a deal).
I'm not offering more new escrow service here , and it is obviously if one want deal with me he has to check my history profile ( as all the users make to the other users before start a deal).
You're not offering them currently but have admitted you may in the future and I think it's very likely you will, and in that case the feedback is an apt warning. What he wrote seems accurate and fair:
Refused to take personal responsibility when he messed up an transaction he was handling escrow for. The situation resolved itself because of a policy exception by a forum administrator.
He may be a honest person however should not be trusted to hold funds for others nor to handle any kind of escrow.
I agree with what he said and think you're likely a decent person but you did refuse to answer certain questions which makes me question your suitability as an escrow and for that reason I wouldn't trust you as one and would advise using someone else and I think his feedback is a valuable warning to others in this case so they can take it into consideration.
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If it's justifiable and there is genuine concern, but if it isn't the feedback will very likely get brought up here and the reasoning questioned much like this thread now. If people abuse the feedback system over personal issues it usually comes back to bite them.
If it's justifiable and there is genuine concern, but if it isn't the feedback will very likely get brought up here and the reasoning questioned much like this thread now. If people abuse the feedback system over personal issues it usually comes back to bite them.
In this case his negative feedback is not right , as moreia told (he was involved in "first row").
How so? Just because he wasn't involved and moreia has forgiven you doesn't invalidate your mistake or the concerns that arose from it.
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Yes I believe my feedback is right. You have asked me many times, and I was threatened with negative feedback to remove it. Trust me if there was a doubt that it was right I would have removed it a long time ago and admitted my mistake.
My trust rating for you is not going to stop anyone from trading with you. At the very most it would cause someone to want to use escrow while trading with you, however even the most reputable people are willing to accept escrow
edit: I personally think the people who have left neutral feedback is incorrect
Yes I believe my feedback is right. You have asked me many times, and I was threatened with negative feedback to remove it. Trust me if there was a doubt that it was right I would have removed it a long time ago and admitted my mistake.
My trust rating for you is not going to stop anyone from trading with you. At the very most it would cause someone to want to use escrow while trading with you, however even the most reputable people are willing to accept escrow
edit: I personally think the people who have left neutral feedback is incorrect
I think the negative feedback was right if I went away from the run or "bad" I've lost forever the moreia's account , but this is not the case. I'm still here , and the account was recovered.
But we never got the chance to see what happened if the situation wasn't resolved by BadBear. You yourself admitted you don't know what you would have done so you could've 'run' had it not been resolved. What if you lose a 10btc deal next time? You may run then rather than have to pay it back out of your own pocket. Should the feedback be removed until this happens again to see how you will react? I don't think it should.
January 05, 2015, 09:17:16 PM
I dont think feedback either way is necessary. We would have had to have seen his actions if the account was not recovered, and the loan was not paid. I was an escrow agent for a long while and luckily never had an issue, but if the escrow agent messes up, and something goes wrong, it is on them. If the account had not been recovered, and the loan not paid, redsn0w would have had to repay the loan. Thats why escrow agents charge fees and ask for tips, its to cover their liability. Since that is not the case, theres no reason to leave feedback either way. It would be positive feedback if he paid the loan as per his escrow agent obligation if the lendee ran off and the account was no longer secure, it could be neutral now I suppose if you wish, and it would be negative if redsn0w had not paid the loan if the account was lost and the lendee ran off.
Honestly, probably the most valuable information that could have come out of this, is to see how redsn0w handled something going wrong. Not really a big deal as far as how it turned out.
Honestly, probably the most valuable information that could have come out of this, is to see how redsn0w handled something going wrong. Not really a big deal as far as how it turned out.
How I see it all feedback in the trust system is at the discretion of the person leaving it. For example if you wouldnt trust someone with your btc after a situation has unfolded then you're entitled to leave that as a form of feedback. Preferably the situation is an interaction with you but it can be an interaction that is not made directly with you. Although now that neutral feedback has been brought in it may be a good idea to consider it more.
Thanks for yours opinion , it is appreciated. Now BedBear left me negative feedback , for continuing the two (3) escrow services [ sig. campaign - FIND , moreia's account). My only mistake/error was to not change/hide the email ... I don't have problem to hold the funds or other type of "deals".
January 05, 2015, 09:12:14 PM
How I see it all feedback in the trust system is at the discretion of the person leaving it. For example if you wouldnt trust someone with your btc after a situation has unfolded then you're entitled to leave that as a form of feedback. Preferably the situation is an interaction with you but it can be an interaction that is not made directly with you. Although now that neutral feedback has been brought in it may be a good idea to consider it more.
January 05, 2015, 09:08:51 PM
I dont think feedback either way is necessary. We would have had to have seen his actions if the account was not recovered, and the loan was not paid. I was an escrow agent for a long while and luckily never had an issue, but if the escrow agent messes up, and something goes wrong, it is on them. If the account had not been recovered, and the loan not paid, redsn0w would have had to repay the loan. Thats why escrow agents charge fees and ask for tips, its to cover their liability. Since that is not the case, theres no reason to leave feedback either way. It would be positive feedback if he paid the loan as per his escrow agent obligation if the lendee ran off and the account was no longer secure, it could be neutral now I suppose if you wish, and it would be negative if redsn0w had not paid the loan if the account was lost and the lendee ran off.
Honestly, probably the most valuable information that could have come out of this, is to see how redsn0w handled something going wrong. Not really a big deal as far as how it turned out.
*Edit* I'm not going to change my wording around in my original post, but I will mention here, that feedback is fine, but I don't think there is enough info for a Trust call.
Honestly, probably the most valuable information that could have come out of this, is to see how redsn0w handled something going wrong. Not really a big deal as far as how it turned out.
*Edit* I'm not going to change my wording around in my original post, but I will mention here, that feedback is fine, but I don't think there is enough info for a Trust call.
January 05, 2015, 09:04:15 PM
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If it's justifiable and there is genuine concern, but if it isn't the feedback will very likely get brought up here and the reasoning questioned much like this thread now. If people abuse the feedback system over personal issues it usually comes back to bite them.
If it's justifiable and there is genuine concern, but if it isn't the feedback will very likely get brought up here and the reasoning questioned much like this thread now. If people abuse the feedback system over personal issues it usually comes back to bite them.
In this case his negative feedback is not right , as moreia told (he was involved in "first row").
It's not obvious and it's still a concern that you are still considering the escrow once this all blows over. Just because you won't do accounts anymore isn't the problem. What happens if you screw up on something else and make an even costlier mistake? The issue here was your error not that accounts are insecure (they're pretty secure once handled right).
I'm waiting the funds , if tomorrow will not arrive I will post in the signature campaign topic that the funds will not cover all the 100 posts during the week.
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Yes I believe my feedback is right. You have asked me many times, and I was threatened with negative feedback to remove it. Trust me if there was a doubt that it was right I would have removed it a long time ago and admitted my mistake.
My trust rating for you is not going to stop anyone from trading with you. At the very most it would cause someone to want to use escrow while trading with you, however even the most reputable people are willing to accept escrow
edit: I personally think the people who have left neutral feedback is incorrect
Yes I believe my feedback is right. You have asked me many times, and I was threatened with negative feedback to remove it. Trust me if there was a doubt that it was right I would have removed it a long time ago and admitted my mistake.
My trust rating for you is not going to stop anyone from trading with you. At the very most it would cause someone to want to use escrow while trading with you, however even the most reputable people are willing to accept escrow
edit: I personally think the people who have left neutral feedback is incorrect
I think the negative feedback was right if I went away from the run or "bad" I've lost forever the moreia's account , but this is not the case. I'm still here , and the account was recovered.
]I didn't ask him to put a negative feedback to you , it was his decision.
January 05, 2015, 09:01:50 PM
~ @Quickseller , Can I ask you here in public one thing ?
yes
If I don't trust you , should I leave you a negative feedback ? Is this how the trust system works now ?
Do you think your feedback is "right" ? Why don't change it to neutral as the other users done ? I think I don't deserve the negative feedback , it is this the problem.
I'm not offering more new escrow service here , and it is obviously if one want deal with me he has to check my history profile ( as all the users make to the other users before start a deal).
My trust rating for you is not going to stop anyone from trading with you. At the very most it would cause someone to want to use escrow while trading with you, however even the most reputable people are willing to accept escrow
edit: I personally think the people who have left neutral feedback is incorrect
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January 05, 2015, 09:00:09 PM
If I don't trust you , should I leave you a negative feedback ? Is this how the trust system works now ?
If it's justifiable and there is genuine concern, but if it isn't the feedback will very likely get brought up here and the reasoning questioned much like this thread now. If people abuse the feedback system over personal issues it usually comes back to bite them.
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I said may start in the future and you're still currently offering services regardless. Do you plan to keep doing so after the terms expire of these current jobs or are you planning to restart your service in the future because this is the concern?
I said may start in the future and you're still currently offering services regardless. Do you plan to keep doing so after the terms expire of these current jobs or are you planning to restart your service in the future because this is the concern?
Obviously not, I'm trying to finish this two "escrow" services and when the campaign and findcoin project will finish I will stop ( and maybe one day I will restart , but not for deal involved forum accounts .. it is not secure and not fairness).
It's not obvious and it's still a concern that you are still considering the escrow once this all blows over. Just because you won't do accounts anymore isn't the problem. What happens if you screw up on something else and make an even costlier mistake? The issue here was your error not that accounts are insecure (they're pretty secure once handled right).
January 05, 2015, 08:57:43 PM
~ @Quickseller , Can I ask you here in public one thing ?
yes
If I don't trust you , should I leave you a negative feedback ? Is this how the trust system works now ?
Do you think your feedback is "right" ? Why don't change it to neutral as the other users done ? I think I don't deserve the negative feedback , it is this the problem.
I'm not offering more new escrow service here , and it is obviously if one want deal with me he has to check my history profile ( as all the users make to the other users before start a deal).
EDIT: to clarify my previous statement regarding not trusting you: this is not the main reason why I left my feedback, it does play a minor role but the overriding factor is how you handled the escrow transaction and your initial reaction when it was uncertain that you would be able to recover the account.
So is this the reason ? Only my attitude I was very tired in that moment... it was not a simple situation , but now it is not a valid reason ... I've admitted my mistake and account has been recovered.
Could you please think again about the negative feedback ? Maybe it is a right reason change it to *neutral*.
January 05, 2015, 08:52:46 PM
~ @Quickseller , Can I ask you here in public one thing ?
yes
If I don't trust you , should I leave you a negative feedback ? Is this how the trust system works now ?
EDIT: to clarify my previous statement regarding not trusting you: this is not the main reason why I left my feedback, it does play a minor role but the overriding factor is how you handled the escrow transaction and your initial reaction when it was uncertain that you would be able to recover the account.
January 05, 2015, 08:40:32 PM
You are going to pay from your own money if they don't give you enough? I would think it would be more wise to warn them that you might not have enough money to cover all the payments and how much you have. I somewhat think that statement was made because you thought that is what I wanted to hear
7 Newbie : 700 * 0,000045 = 0.0315 BTC
4 Jr. member : 400 * 0,00009 = 0.036 BTC
9 Member : 900 * 0,000175 = 0,1575 BTC
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total = 0,665 BTC
It is the max. payout in one week for the actual enrolled users. They have yet to send me more funds for this week , maybe tomorrow I will check the address .
~ @Quickseller , Can I ask you here in public one thing ?
yes
If I don't trust you , should I leave you a negative feedback ? Is this how the trust system works now ?
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I said may start in the future and you're still currently offering services regardless. Do you plan to keep doing so after the terms expire of these current jobs or are you planning to restart your service in the future because this is the concern?
I said may start in the future and you're still currently offering services regardless. Do you plan to keep doing so after the terms expire of these current jobs or are you planning to restart your service in the future because this is the concern?
Obviously not, I'm trying to finish this two "escrow" services and when the campaign and findcoin project will finish I will stop ( and maybe one day I will restart , but not for deal involved forum accounts .. it is not secure and not fairness).
Oh I forgot , I'm still holding the moreia's account in collateral ... nobody remembered it.
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January 05, 2015, 08:23:49 PM
I have not start nothing , I'm continue to manage the sig. campaigna as before and I've aske them if they want me as "manager" and they said : yes.
I said may start in the future and you're still currently offering services regardless. Do you plan to keep doing so after the terms expire of these current jobs or are you planning to restart your service in the future because this is the concern?
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