Topic: Redsn0w, negative/neutral/or no trust due to Escrow negligence? - page 3. (Read 2788 times)

Yes the know everything , and as you didn't  do.. they have reasoned . No, obviously the FIND  bounty address  is :

FmEqKohExKEgj7oFEKG7f9rh2AnSfSKF37  
For the question about the signature campaign , the 0.46 btc cover one week & more . Obviously if the funds don't cover the week I will pay from my own btc.

~ @Quickseller , Can I ask you here in public one thing ?

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You have funds for two different escrow projects in a single address? Are both parties you are holding money for aware of this? Are the participants in your signature campaign aware of this? If there are no funds in the escrow address to cover signature payments (the only money left is for the FINDCoin project) then participants would keep their signature up under the impression you have enough money to pay when you really do not

I think it is fair that the trust rating should be removed once the escrow service in my deal is completed and sealed.
Does anyone else agree with this?

It does seem like a conflict of interest if he's your friend and it's arguable as to whether redsnow is deserved of this trust but he did do something wrong regardless and I think he lucked out greatly on the situation. I think it was only a matter of time before something like this happened and could've been much worse and we never got to find out what red ultimately would have done had the account been lost. Redsnow stated a couple of times that he he himself didn't know what he would do if BadBear hadn't've of stepped in and couldn't answer whether he would've paid back the money which is a bit disturbing since he is meant to be guaranteeing it. That being said, he did close his escrow of his own accord which showed maturity but it also seems that he may start his escrow again at some point in the future which may not be a good idea for reasons already stated and in that case the feedback may be a good warning for people to use caution. The trust currently doesn't leave him marked as untrustworthy either but an orange warning which may by apt for the reason just stated.

Let the ones that are being hurt by the person to be giving out negative trust. Not an outsider.
I know that sounds a little Hypocritical, but my point still stands.

I realized what I did was threatening, but when I asked Redsn0w about the situation he said you ignored his messages and didn't reply. So I took the matters into my hands because I thought you'd listen to an outside source. Sorry if you felt insecure about the threat, I'm sorry....

Read the post above  yours ...

Yes and also for the FINDCoin project , but before my mistake not after.The transparency is the first thing , I didn't make nothing wrong it was only the  mistake (generated by me) that "ruined" me.

PS: I am doing this as a friend of Redsn0w and because I don't believe he is at the wrong in this matter.

You directly threatened me and saw that your threat did not work. If you can can find a different definition of extortion that does not match what you did then I would be wiling to concede on that point, but I don't think you can.

Uhm, #1 I removed the negative trust not because you called it Extortion, but because I made this topic and it wasn't necessary after.
#2 The Coinichiwa thing was for a free btc campaign they were giving out a few days ago, both of us being on it was a coincidence.

He is still holding funds for a signature campaign , just paid out to participants today and there is no mention of him returning funds to the owner of the site nor that he is going to resign. Per the OP of the campaign he is holding funds in 1GkgLFg9YVyvLzKbsipzJJjy5r33mpv4ki and per the blockchain there is ~.46 BTC in the address.

He is still holding funds for a signature campaign , just paid out to participants today and there is no mention of him returning funds to the owner of the site nor that he is going to resign. Per the OP of the campaign he is holding funds in 1GkgLFg9YVyvLzKbsipzJJjy5r33mpv4ki and per the blockchain there is ~.46 BTC in the address.

Steal a PGP key , are you serious ? In that days I had some invitations to the keybase.io site and I wanted to share them with the users. I've seen that he didn't signed a pgp message in his escrow thread and I wanted to send him an invite

I removed my negative because redsn0w said he would no longer act as escrow, so I didn't see it as necessary. I have seen reports/posts that this is not the case, but haven't had time to look into it.

I removed my negative because redsn0w said he would no longer act as escrow, so I didn't see it as necessary. I have seen reports/posts that this is not the case, but haven't had time to look into it.

Yes, please continue doing this campaign.

Have you fixed your issues?

You are allowed to act as escrow and have other commitments outside of the forum. Your presence was not the issue, the issue was that you were not there to promise that you would make good on the situation.

*What he said here*.

I actually did contact him, he sent one word messages that were bleak and ignorant. That's why I brought it here...

(sic)excuise me?

That it extortion

extortion (n) - the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats.

Since I am being extorted by michaeladair to remove my negative trust, or to change it to neutral, I will post here about my trust rating that I gave him. I am not 100% sure what his connection is to Redsn0w, however his profile says he is 18 years old and you have a low maturity level so maybe you know each other from high school or something. You both appear to support coinichiwa and I was informed that you both are active in the NXT forums.

For the record he did give me negative trust, however he since removed it when I informed him that what he is/was doing is extortion.

I have really never trusted Redsn0w, as he seems to be too eager to be holding other's money for them. I have seen many signature campaigns pop up where he immediately would offer his services via PM (I know he offered it because you make a post saying that he sent a PM - which is unnecessary BTW, especially when you are wearing a paid signature). He also appear to be building up trust as I have seen you trade with others on default trust list (and have few trades - with the exception of your escrow services - with people who are not on default trust list) this makes me believe the only reason for the trade was for the trust rating. I do not see any received feedback from anyone that was not either using him as escrow or is on default trust list. It appears that he was always the one risking getting scammed when dealing with users on default trust list.

Even though he argues that everything turned out okay (and went smoothly), in the end it did not. He gave both lihuajkl and Moreia a false sense of security when providing his services. My interpretation of how moreia's account was hacked was that it was not sophisticated. The theory seems to be that the email address was public when he took control of the account and did not change it to private (nor did he change the actual email address) - these are what is claimed. It has been said that only one account has ever been hacked because of weak forum security, so I would doubt it was the forum's fault it got hacked. 

Once the account was out of his control, redsn0w appeared to be primarily concerned about his reputation (by saying things like I think someone is trying to ruin my reputation) and wanted to know who was behind the hack. He was not quick to accept responsibility, he repeatedly said that the mistake was unintentional when asked if he will cover the lender's losses. The only acceptable response to that question would be some variation of "yes". It was only when BadBear gave Redsn0w negative trust (that he later removed) that Redsn0w "closed" his escrow service (although it does not appear to be closed). He is still operating as escrow for ActionCrypto.com signature campaign and recently gave Dogedigital positive trust because he escrowed a transaction with today's time stamp (although he could have previously acted as escrow and just added it now).



Additionally even though Redsn0w has several neutral trust ratings warning people not to use him as escrow he still received at least one escrow referral as recently as two days ago.

You are allowed to act as escrow and have other commitments outside of the forum. Your presence was not the issue, the issue was that you were not there to promise that you would make good on the situation.

Additionally, unrelated to the escrow transaction at issue, he did on at least one occasion did something that a much older, very trusted escrow provider thought was an attempt to steal his PGP private key as evidenced in the below post found on his escrow thread.

I think that I've reacted  properly , I didn't go away from the forum I tried to resolve the issues generated due my mistake ( email not changed) and at the end  with the help of community no one of the parts has been damaged.

Now he left me negative feedback, but it was not necessary.   

I made as escrow , great user.

Another heads up... This user just asked me to use their 3rd party site to generate a PGP key. I can think of no other reason but a scam to want to provide someone with their PGP key. I'm seeing an uptick in scam attempts targeting myself and users of my escrow services. Please be careful and always check trust history before dealing with anyone.

It's not what happens to you that matters, it's how you react to it.

You can get a good example of how NOT to react by looking at the recent issue with takagari.  He made it so much worse for himself.

Give it some time, and contact quickseller in the future.  Let all parties cool down.  Don't keep harassing him if he is not budging.