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Ah, the second law of thermodynamics argument, which has been debunked

Wrong!

1. We see entropy all around. It is readily identifiable. It is a law of nature.
2. We don't see anything that could kick the universe into the high heights of advancement that are all around us.
3. Man is extremely intelligent and advanced (compared with, say, a microbe), and life and the universe as we see it are marvelous in their actions and activity, even though everything is slowing down due to entropy.
4. If the universe is billions of years old, and entropy has been going on all this long while ('cause we don't see anything other than entropy), just think how great everything must have been even only 1 billion years ago!!!

Entropy is causing everything to decline. Just think of the heights we must have fallen from if we have been declining for billions of years. And we must be declining. Why? Because we don't see anything that could have caused any advancement in all that time. It just doesn't exist. Evolution is all guesswork. Entropy is so widespread that evolution is as though it were nothing, or less than nothing.

So, since we have been declining due to entropy for all these billions of years, why haven't we left ourselves any clear records form the past? You know, the past of, say, a million years ago when we were advanced way higher than we are now, because entropy didn't have time to do its work way back then, yet, as much as it has done now?

Evolution is something that has to be searched for. You can't tell that it is there just by looking. Yet anybody and everybody who thinks about it and looks around, can see entropy. Evolution is a homemade interpretation of things that can be interpreted many other ways as well.

Of course!

I said religion is not what caused the war, not that they shouldn't be condemned.

Isn't the first time Gods get killed, Zeus, Odin, Jupiter... so many Gods were killed this far.
Eventually people will kill the Jewish God too and you can go to cinema enjoying "Thor's Hammer" at room 1 and "Jesus running 3 miles over the Atlantic" at room 2.

But acts of war are acts of war. They are condemnable no matter if in Europe, US or Middle East.

this is a completely wrong point of view

civilized countries [western world, rich countries] don't start wars

countries that haven't been in touch with western civilization, that aren't modernized do

it's not the religions fault, it's just a justification, a try to get the conqured countries obey just because they're of simmilar culture
they're trying to get the support of all muslims
it has nothing to do with religion, it's politics

however numbers of non-believers are increasing every year, one day all people will believe there is no god, it's inevitable

So I consider we're just wasting our time on this conversation

Comparing ONE atheist with, for an instance, a group of Muslims killing people like ISIS?  
I hear of a Jew who ran over a cat, a Christian who killed his neighbor... and so on...

And apparently the guy was defending his sign, the act of aggression comes first from the old lady and her scissors. Anyway, nobody got killed, just a minor incident. If all the bad on the world would be two old folks fighting, then the World would be a paradise.

it's the first one you heard, because liberals usually control the media

this one was just a week ago and it wasn't forced, in a free democratic country an atheist punches down a 77-year old woman breaking her nose and knocking her down, she ended up in a hospital with heavy injuries

But hell, this isn't important, so people won't get to know, the media only promotes liberal ideas so not this..

use google translator on Chrome..

http://www.vecernji.hr/hrvatska/katolickoj-aktivistici-razbijen-nos-na-skupu-pokreta-za-sekularnu-hrvatsku-962233
http://www.jutarnji.hr/foto--napadac-sa-cvjetnog-zaradio-kaznenu-prijavu-ruzica-cavar-zadobila-tesku-ozljedu-ruke/1221570/

But the Quran itself has entries that are exactly the opposite... how do you sort it?

Atheism has NO DOCTRINE. That's why it can't be forced into someone. Atheism without Philosophy can be hazardous, you need a higher understanding yourself to not fall into oblivion. Forced atheists may be ignorant atheists, with a random and unpredictable behavior.
A bit like Bitcoin, for you to can be your own bank you need to know the basics of banking, otherwise just keep believing on what the banker says.

For people who doesn't interest or care about religion, I would suggest 100x Agnosticism over Atheism.

No it doesn't, because all of the people in a religion are living their lives based on a single holy book, and a good bit of their crimes are because of what the book told them.  For example, the bible literally says to stone gays, so when Christians beat up people based on that it's not hard to find out how they got there.  You hear about that stuff all the time, that post you linked was the first atheist I've heard of that got violent because of religion.  The lack of a belief does not make us all think the same.

same goes for some religions

they represent peace and toleration but people often use it for their own selfish reasons

the Quran itself has quotes like this

people tend to use religion to cover-up their own selfish reasons

the public should be more aware of this "kind" rules from their Bibles,Qurans,Torahs etc.
it is us, that justify that for them because their religion "tells them so"
this is not true, but we have made it true for them at least

When you don't know you can have a theory about something, but you mustn't act as if you know when all you've is a theory.
A theory isn't as simple as say "I believe this", it requires some supporting evidence that points that way.
Happens that for Creationism we have nothing, an empty theory supported on anything but claims of blatant ignorant ancient people who thinks Earth was flat and the center of universe.

Also the apply to "feelings" comes out void; a Christian will always see Christ or some of the figures of the Christian Mythology, but not Muhammad, a Muslim will see Muhammad or any of his companions, but not Christ, and so on and so on... Basically we can note here is the power of suggestion.

That was one crazy guy, in any large group there will always be some.  There is no atheist doctrine telling us to hate certain people or try to convert others, but rather a very broad spectrum of people that simply lack the belief in a diety.

Yes they have

In the strict dictionary meaning of "science," you may be correct. Proof has to do with what people think. For example. People haven't been able to find proof for evolution. In fact, all that they have been able to do is find strong evidence that evolution shouldn't even be considered a theory. So, the thing that they have done is to change the meaning of "science" informally if not dictionary-wise.

How much evidence does it take that the proven laws of entropy are correct? In the minds of evolutionists, they keep on seeking evidence for some little thing that might prove entropy incorrect. So, what really is proof?

Nice topic. Congratz OP. We love to shit on religions. Right.

no violence, huh?
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/10/22/1021-atheist-charged-wth-assaulting-pastor.html

What is that supposed to mean?  We are talking scientific proof, either it exists or it doesn't.  

I think it's the other way around. People have issues with the sentence "I don't know" and so accept any "solution" for this issue, no mater how irrational that explanation may be. This is the gap filled by religion.

BADecker, you can't prove in the negative. You can't prove there is no Santa, there are no Unicorns, there is no bigfoot or Nessie. The same goes to your God or Zeus. Why don't you believe on Zeus?

Proof only works when people are reasonably honest, especially with themselves. 

This is the exact reason that the God of the Bible doesn't force anyone to believe that He exists. He can't, and keep them as free-thinking, non-robots. This is why Jesus instructs his "preachers" to offer God to people, and then to let Him attempt to entice the people spiritually. He knows how to do it right.

This is why the Knights of Templar, and the Crusades have been wrong in the past when they tried to force Christianity on people.

The strugle of the exsistance of god.

Personally believe what ever you will jusy dont turn a blind eye to intelligence. People use religion as an ignorant scape goat to not understand how the world works