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Quote from: Utoy101 on September 07, 2019, 04:26:53 PM

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Quote from: Utoy101 on September 07, 2019, 12:10:17 PM

I think making participants that have promoted the project for like 50% of the bounty duration should be allowed to take off their signature. Just my opinion though.

it will be better and clear if they ask the bounty manager if they are allowed to remove thier signatures and it wont cost any trouble on both parties.

If the rules indicate that, then it's fine. Here's a bounty with a similar rule and I hope some other bounty manager can adapt such rule into the campaigns they will manage in the future.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bountyendeddecentralized-lending-platform-and-mobile-banking-app-5182388 campaign is managed by Arteezy

Yeah, exactly. If the rules state right from the beginning what will happen with your stakes when you leave campaing early I am totally fine with it. Even when you then lose your stakes if you remove your signature. But then they should also provide a fixed date when the bounty will end. This way I can decide before joining if I wanna keep the signature that long. And if they extend the campaign afterwards everyone should be free to remove the signature/leave the campaign without any penalty.

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Quote from: tukagero on September 07, 2019, 12:20:52 PM

Quote from: Utoy101 on September 07, 2019, 12:10:17 PM

I think making participants that have promoted the project for like 50% of the bounty duration should be allowed to take off their signature. Just my opinion though.

it will be better and clear if they ask the bounty manager if they are allowed to remove thier signatures and it wont cost any trouble on both parties.

If the rules indicate that, then it's fine. Here's a bounty with a similar rule and I hope some other bounty manager can adapt such rule into the campaigns they will manage in the future.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bountyendeddecentralized-lending-platform-and-mobile-banking-app-5182388 campaign is managed by Arteezy

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Quote from: Utoy101 on September 07, 2019, 12:10:17 PM

I think making participants that have promoted the project for like 50% of the bounty duration should be allowed to take off their signature. Just my opinion though.

it will be better and clear if they ask the bounty manager if they are allowed to remove thier signatures and it wont cost any trouble on both parties.

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I think making participants that have promoted the project for like 50% of the bounty duration should be allowed to take off their signature. Just my opinion though.

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Yes it is very unfair, in the case you mentioned above, it is very clear that bounty hunters will be very disadvantaged. Moreover, the results that have been collected for weeks just disappear.
But in cases like this we can't fully blame the bounty manager, because every bounty campaign has different rules for every bounty hunter who wants to participate, and the rules are clearly written on the first page of the bounty.
So in my opinion, in cases like this the bounty manager provides tolerance or a little policy so that no party feels disadvantaged.

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Quote from: Lanatsa on August 31, 2019, 06:26:48 PM

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Quote from: ahmadakbari on August 02, 2019, 04:42:20 PM

There is a same rule in all of signature campaigns
"You must keep the signature till end of the campaign"

That is the rule in the first place, if you don't want to follow it then stay away with that campaign, simply as that.

Quote from: ahmadakbari on August 02, 2019, 04:42:20 PM

In my opinion it's really unfair.
Assume that a campaign includes 20 weeks. One person participate from week 1 until week 10 and makes effort for advertising the ICO. But he/she decided to participate in another campaign. In this case, bounty managers remove all the stakes that have been earned before. Don't you think it's unfair? In my opinion, he/she should give the reward for those weeks that had worn the signature.

Again, there are rules in joining a bounty campaign, that's why we have this rule. Some managers though are very lenient, if you PM them in advance then probably you can still get your stakes. Others have a 4 week rule, you need to stay at least 4 weeks before you can get your bounty. So I don't think it's unfair, why are you leaving the campaign in the first place? If your remove the signature prior to the end of the campaign then you forfeit everything here.

The reason? They do leave because they do see much better gold mine that on the previous one.Most bounty hunters doesn't read up rules on the first place that's why
when they don't able to get stakes they do normally complain and not even realizing that they are the ones whose wrong into this situation.Its been clearly stated that you wont get any stakes if you leave out the campaign but there are some managers that do consider out on giving stakes even if you do leave.Its just a matter of explanation or some sort of negotitiation between participants and the manager.They aren't that hard to convince if you do really need to transfer from other bounties.Just explain everything and if they do consider it out then your lucky but if not then you should call it a day.

That is exactly my point, they find something new with supposedly "good" pay, removed their signatures without any explanation to the previous manager and then they expect something in return? That's not how a business run here, if you don't read the rules of the campaign then I'm so sorry bounty hunters are at fault here and there's no need to bitch around and complain that they have been short changes here. And obviously if the previous manager saw that you remove the signature when counting the previous weeks stakes and seeing that you didn't even bother to PM him/her then I don't see you getting the stakes unless you are lucky, but rules is rules, IMHO.

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Quote from: Babyrica0226 on September 02, 2019, 11:16:24 PM

Quote from: ahmadakbari on August 02, 2019, 04:42:20 PM

There is a same rule in all of signature campaigns
"You must keep the signature till end of the campaign"

In my opinion it's really unfair.
Assume that a campaign includes 20 weeks. One person participate from week 1 until week 10 and makes effort for advertising the ICO. But he/she decided to participate in another campaign. In this case, bounty managers remove all the stakes that have been earned before. Don't you think it's unfair? In my opinion, he/she should give the reward for those weeks that had worn the signature.

Any of the bounty hunters that will encounter that, of course it 100% it is unfair for the participants.
But if you ask permission to the BM of the projects campaign to remove you're signature and avatar, then the
BM reply to your permission, I think your stakes will be safe if the BM allow you to do so, but if not it will be forfeit.

You wont really have any choice but to deal on what would be the decision of the bounty manager regarding on leaving out the campaign.
If he's a good one then he might consider out but if not then you should deal with it on having no stakes on the work you had done for the project.
A common thing actually on most bounty hunters that's why its much better to finish it until the end so effort wont be wasted.

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Quote from: ahmadakbari on August 02, 2019, 04:42:20 PM

There is a same rule in all of signature campaigns
"You must keep the signature till end of the campaign"

In my opinion it's really unfair.
Assume that a campaign includes 20 weeks. One person participate from week 1 until week 10 and makes effort for advertising the ICO. But he/she decided to participate in another campaign. In this case, bounty managers remove all the stakes that have been earned before. Don't you think it's unfair? In my opinion, he/she should give the reward for those weeks that had worn the signature.

Any of the bounty hunters that will encounter that, of course it 100% it is unfair for the participants.
But if you ask permission to the BM of the projects campaign to remove you're signature and avatar, then the
BM reply to your permission, I think your stakes will be safe if the BM allow you to do so, but if not it will be forfeit.

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Quote from: Kemarit on August 31, 2019, 05:47:57 PM

Quote from: ahmadakbari on August 02, 2019, 04:42:20 PM

There is a same rule in all of signature campaigns
"You must keep the signature till end of the campaign"

That is the rule in the first place, if you don't want to follow it then stay away with that campaign, simply as that.

Quote from: ahmadakbari on August 02, 2019, 04:42:20 PM

In my opinion it's really unfair.
Assume that a campaign includes 20 weeks. One person participate from week 1 until week 10 and makes effort for advertising the ICO. But he/she decided to participate in another campaign. In this case, bounty managers remove all the stakes that have been earned before. Don't you think it's unfair? In my opinion, he/she should give the reward for those weeks that had worn the signature.

Again, there are rules in joining a bounty campaign, that's why we have this rule. Some managers though are very lenient, if you PM them in advance then probably you can still get your stakes. Others have a 4 week rule, you need to stay at least 4 weeks before you can get your bounty. So I don't think it's unfair, why are you leaving the campaign in the first place? If your remove the signature prior to the end of the campaign then you forfeit everything here.

The reason? They do leave because they do see much better gold mine that on the previous one.Most bounty hunters doesn't read up rules on the first place that's why
when they don't able to get stakes they do normally complain and not even realizing that they are the ones whose wrong into this situation.Its been clearly stated that you wont get any stakes if you leave out the campaign but there are some managers that do consider out on giving stakes even if you do leave.Its just a matter of explanation or some sort of negotitiation between participants and the manager.They aren't that hard to convince if you do really need to transfer from other bounties.Just explain everything and if they do consider it out then your lucky but if not then you should call it a day.

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Quote from: ahmadakbari on August 02, 2019, 04:42:20 PM

There is a same rule in all of signature campaigns
"You must keep the signature till end of the campaign"

That is the rule in the first place, if you don't want to follow it then stay away with that campaign, simply as that.

Quote from: ahmadakbari on August 02, 2019, 04:42:20 PM

In my opinion it's really unfair.
Assume that a campaign includes 20 weeks. One person participate from week 1 until week 10 and makes effort for advertising the ICO. But he/she decided to participate in another campaign. In this case, bounty managers remove all the stakes that have been earned before. Don't you think it's unfair? In my opinion, he/she should give the reward for those weeks that had worn the signature.

Again, there are rules in joining a bounty campaign, that's why we have this rule. Some managers though are very lenient, if you PM them in advance then probably you can still get your stakes. Others have a 4 week rule, you need to stay at least 4 weeks before you can get your bounty. So I don't think it's unfair, why are you leaving the campaign in the first place? If your remove the signature prior to the end of the campaign then you forfeit everything here.

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They should first check the spreadsheet if the manager is finished counting the stakes, maybe is it okay to remove signature without asking the bounty manager once the spreadsheet has been finalized.

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Depends on the rules and person who is managing campaign, sometimes you can talk to bounty manager and leave campaign and you will receive reward and sometimes they will remove all your reward if you do so. It shouldn't get you disqualified but if it does there is nothing you can do about it. Better approach is to join campaign at late stage, few weeks before it ends, don't join campaigns if it will last for several months and if you are not one hundred percent sure you will get tokens.

Quote from: sunsilk on August 23, 2019, 06:10:25 AM

Bounty hunters who have been jumping from one bounty to another bounty thinks of it as unfair rule.

If you work for a month and then you quit your job, would you consider it fair if your employer does not pay you for work you have done that month?

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Quote from: djselery on August 28, 2019, 09:50:31 PM

There are a few campaigns allowing people to remove the signature in the condition of telling the bounty manager before doing this,

that is if the manager will agree but some manager wont allow it . there are still bounties that do weekly countings , and its okay to remove your sigs as soon as the week has passed because you will be qualified for the stakes or payment .

Quote from: djselery on August 28, 2019, 09:50:31 PM

It is up to the participant, if he is not comfortable with this rules, he can simply avoid participating.

yes . at the end the decision is still on the participant because that is his life and no one can control him . he can leave or stay any time at his own discretion .

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There are a few campaigns allowing people to remove the signature in the condition of telling the bounty manager before doing this, but most campaigns don't allow this, and ask participants to keep wearing the signature until the end of the bounty. It is up to the participant, if he is not comfortable with this rules, he can simply avoid participating.

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Quote from: lotfiuser on August 23, 2019, 10:24:35 AM

if it was against the rules of champagne so I think it's fair any way almost every bounty here will end up with no payment or a scam

Champagne huh? Do you need vodka, dude?

Ended with no payment and scam are different case. You can't say removal the sig means same with getting scammed. If the rules was posted about don't remove the sig until the campaign end, it means you shouldn't remove or you will ended disqualified for receive the reward/payment. While getting scammed mean, you already do all the work according the rules until the end of campaign, but you didn't get any payment or the bounty has been reduced wuthout any explanation

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if it was against the rules of champagne so I think it's fair any way almost every bounty here will end up with no payment or a scam

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Quote from: dunfida on August 22, 2019, 12:04:32 PM

Quote from: sunsilk on August 22, 2019, 03:56:09 AM

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Rules should really be strictly followed and its been stated before the campaign start.If its been said to equip signature until the end the campaign then you should follow it.

Bounty hunters who have been jumping from one bounty to another bounty thinks of it as unfair rule. But they have to respect the rules of that bounty and if they don't like it, very simple and the answer is by not joining from the start.

Quote from: dunfida on August 22, 2019, 12:04:32 PM

Decision would vary with the manager if he would consider out to count stakes for those who leave and plan to join other campaigns but most of the time the dont really grant such request.

Yes, I've said this too if the manager is very considerate they are lucky if they found a manager that has that attitude.

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Quote from: arpon11 on August 21, 2019, 01:48:39 PM

Quote from: ahmadakbari on August 02, 2019, 04:42:20 PM

There is a same rule in all of signature campaigns
"You must keep the signature till end of the campaign"

In my opinion it's really unfair.
Assume that a campaign includes 20 weeks. One person participate from week 1 until week 10 and makes an effort for advertising the ICO. But he/she decided to participate in another campaign. In this case, bounty managers remove all the stakes that have been earned before. Don't you think it's unfair? In my opinion, he/she should give the reward for those weeks that had worn the signature.

The right thing to do is to "owned no man his wages" The people promoting bounties has spent time and thinking in other to be able to post quality posts that bring icos or any projects into public domain and it is common sense to reward them and not deny them for changing to another project they think will reward them midway.
I have participated in about four bounties and experienced this treatment. We also hard about a campaign that runs here last month (anyone) and the developer refused to pay those that participated in the campaign and removed their signature.

The part of owing no man no wages which was not practices by some bounty campaign manager cause a bounty participant remove sign code or move to another simply show the level incompetent of bounty manager which does such and I will advise people not participate in future bounty or campaign posted by such manager.

I love this statement (The right thing to do is to "owed no man his wages" )
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Quote from: janggernaut on August 22, 2019, 06:07:30 PM

Quote from: slaman29 on August 22, 2019, 06:57:56 AM

Put yourselves in the shoes of the campaign manager. Would you like it if the guys carrying your signature switched to your signature when you were counting, and then switched off when you weren't? Rules are simple and most people know how to follow them. Why is it so important for a few people to ask for exceptions?

You can also put yourself in bounty hunter's side. Will you accept if all of your stakes before (many weeks) got removed only because you changed or joined on other bounty? Sometimes there was no rules like that and it just implemented after ICO ends, which isn't fair.

You can say that because you are being paid with bitcoin on your campaign now, can you remove that and join on bounty altcoin campaign now?
I know the feel because i've used join on altcoin campaign too before.

Bounty managers should do thier job when the campaign has ended not that it will take 2 weeks before they update the spreadsheet and when they see a hunter removes the signature they will disqualify it and remove all his stakes which is not right.

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Quote from: slaman29 on August 22, 2019, 06:57:56 AM

Put yourselves in the shoes of the campaign manager. Would you like it if the guys carrying your signature switched to your signature when you were counting, and then switched off when you weren't? Rules are simple and most people know how to follow them. Why is it so important for a few people to ask for exceptions?

You can also put yourself in bounty hunter's side. Will you accept if all of your stakes before (many weeks) got removed only because you changed or joined on other bounty? Sometimes there was no rules like that and it just implemented after ICO ends, which isn't fair.

You can say that because you are being paid with bitcoin on your campaign now, can you remove that and join on bounty altcoin campaign now?
I know the feel because i've used join on altcoin campaign too before.

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