Topic: Request: Disable merits in the Wall Observer thread - page 5. (Read 2111 times)

I understand the reason Op is making this kind of bold proposal. If there are people that sends merits to their alts in the WO thread, I cannot tell but if we feel that there is unnecessary merit flow in the WO thread, what happens is to call the attention of the merit sources to it. If merits are given to merit worthy posts, that wouldn't be a bit of a problem. If there are 1000 quality posts a day in the WO thread, 20,000 merits can flow there.
If the people sending these merits are not merit sources, they should also be called out for sending merits to relatively low quality posts. I do not support deactivating merits in the WO because that is the most remarkable thread in the forum.

So does self-moderated threads, and so does the Report button, yet those exist...

I don't see the big problem with disabling merits in one particular thread where signatures are already disabled for the reason of trying to promote honest discussion. Merit farming has led to a flood of insincere posters (many of them likely alt accounts) who don't care about anything other than sig campaign earnings. The sucking up to & fawning over loose merit givers there is disgusting... To see it being rewarded is just ridiculous, and merit sources should know better than to encourage that type of behavior. Thankfully most of them do.

Well... I'm not going to read 4 pages of posts. But, I would like to share my opinion on the question raised.

Each user and the merits to whomever they want, wherever they want and whenever they want. If the post to whom the merit is given has a lot or little quality, it can even be a question. But what is good for me may be different for someone else. Although generally speaking, the whole community has the same concept.

Now, if there are users who misuse their smerits, it's unfortunate. But, we cannot harm those who use them well.

He noticed that sometimes, an exaggerated and wrong concept was generated, who and certain boards "should" exist less given merits. What is wrong. A user can make a good merit post on any board.

Therefore, as it has happened until now, and the distribution of merits is free, it must continue like this.

This is the only practical solution since I don't see admins adding merit restriction features ever.

Don't worry about it, they have no say in it

They have no say in it either

Why not just click Ignore on them?

I seriously think that everyone should stop whinging and complaining about this topic and leave it how it is.

Good point. Maybe the merits received in WO should be visible/usable (e.g. with regards to rank) only in WO.

I’m kinda uncomfortable seeing many lower ranked accounts in this thread trying to be outspoken and having an opinion on a thread that they have taken very little part in and means nothing to them.

I’ve been here since 2014 and the WO is important to me. I’ve met around a dozen people from the thread in real life multiple times. We have a brotherhood away from the forum and arrange regular meets all over Europe.

It feels a bit, I dunno, tacky to have, forgive me for saying this, no mark accounts trying to decide what happens in what I feel is a gold medal, historic bitcointalk thread. I don’t feel like most of the people in this thread should have any say over what happens in the WO. In other words if you haven’t been a huge part of it butt out. Obviously the likes of nutildah have a valid opinion but most people in this thread shouldn’t have a say at all.
Maybe the OG’s of the thread should be the only guys with a say on what happens going forward.

As for the question, it is a bit annoying to see all the newbies posting in the WO. It’s one of the reasons why I’m not as active in there as I once was. I voted ‘No’ though, I don’t think Meriting in the WO should be outlawed. Most of us know a shit posting, merit whore when we see one.

Yeah, especially those board who has their merit source. When i visit some of the local boards it seems they send merits to every new topic. It is very easy to get merit in the local board if your board has a merit source i think. Especially india and pakistani board members are very generous towards their fellow comrades. I have no idea what is happening around here. Lol

You're somehow right that there are many members of the local boards that rank up pretty fast, but that doesn't mean that they get all of the merits from WO thread because some of those members also get good amount of merits from their own local boards. I don't think that they're getting those merits easily. Even in WO thread there are many members who won't get good any merits even they create more than 10 posts a day, but there are only a few lucky ones who get a dozen of merits when their post is liked by @El duderino_ and I think those guys are very lucky because @El Duderino_ is known for his attribute of distributing merits to the posts he finds worthy of getting merits. That doesn't means he gives merits to all those craps the members are posting on WO thread, but to the only ones that are somehow related to Bitcoin.

Even the ones posting memes may get some merits from WO, but that really doesn't mean that those members aren't putting efforts in getting those merits. In fact they're trying their best to find those memes and post it on WO thread to get those merits, and that's the main reason that @OP of this thread wanted the merit system to be disabled on WO thread. Even-through their approach also requires some efforts, but they aren't learning anything in the process and such members won't be able to create good quality posts even if they receive so many merits in a short span of time.

It becomes a cynosure to worry about when it escalates to this point... I personally observed the habit on the WO thread and compared it to the infrequent meriting habits on altcoin section...it was way too de-escalating ...
I remember the stories I read so far about this whole meritocracy - when it really knew no boundaries and was spent appropriately across every section on the forum, including the altcoin section... This was later seen as an abuse since very many shit posters were seldom on liverage to earning merits.... Is this gonna be the fate of the wo thread?!
I don't think I've made any post in there but, I don't also feel any section of the forum needs to be on a merit ban; afterall, we've got good posters in there... Haven't we?

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Some of my local board members rank up pretty fast. it was hard for me to believe how they did it when i saw the way they posted. When I checked their source of merit i found that it was WHO. They just keep posting memes and sharing tweets. Some even got merit by saying a joke when i haven't found any logic behind them. If getting merit is that easy then it will lose its value.

Ideally we should all encourage good posting habits with our merits... but let's be real, you can't expect everyone to follow some "high quality" guidelines that would be highly subjective anyway. However you can and should expect the ~100 (or whatever the number is nowadays) merit sources to try to avoid meriting obvious merit farmers/beggars/etc. Again, probably not possible to avoid that completely, some shitposters will be able to get some crumbs, but they're lazy AF so if they can no longer get easy merits for memes in WO they'll probably go shitpost somewhere else, where hopefully some moderation still exists and they can be reported.


Correct, theymos has said that sending big chunks of merits is better than hoarding / not sending them at all, and if you send them to a known quality poster (and hopefully someone who also distributes received smerits responsibly) you're doing ok.

In WO we have problems on the other hand it's fun to send merits to a post that you like and think the receiver deserves it. I think those of us who merit others, being a bit more careful can solve one of the problem. Mind it we just don't give away merit to others, there are reasons for it. May be a post / image looks stupid to someone but that same post might made the day of the person and that's the reason he merited the post.

It's a NO from me too. The WO should be out of any such restriction.

I never knew there is secret thread like that, or perhaps it's a thread that is only known for the garden surfing. That is why all these years I was thinking from where some users are getting high merits even though there posts are just few liners, meaningless, reposted images, sometimes just meme with no words on it and yet they end up getting merits in like dozens of amount. I am not sure how many of them are now going to debate and dislike my freedom of speech but that's definitely insane amount of merit source - source. Practically speaking the merit rush is only seen amongst the people who are either account farmers or those who want to get ranked up quickly and gain high bonuses from the signatures. I mean come on, you should talk the way you want and it doesn't really matter if someone thinks you are right or wrong.

I am posting mostly to learn from various development threads even though I am new to the field. Now and then I am trying to build knowledge based posts or interesting facts and sometimes news articles but it seems that people just love threads that are long dead, already answered thousand times and yet manage to get merits. Definitely full of talent!

The circulations of merits in that thread is not new to us as we all know that there are many known user here in our community who still have time to make a reply on that thread and. Most of them are merit source and for sure we cannot stop them because they will do that for how many years which means they already know what they are doing so for me canceling or disabling the merit circulation on that thread is not the solution.

I voted 'No', and I don't like the idea of restricting ranks from receiving merits from WO cause it is like some kind of discrimination what if the member is actually a low-ranked member and trying to become a part of WO (speaking from my exp).

Merit sources can be careful when sending merits so it can eliminate the account farmers to grow but again having alts is allowed in bitcointalk so what is the point of restricting them from growing if they can able to check the merit requirement box!

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If I am not wrong theymos removed someone from being a merit source because the person simply showered meritsin WO for no reason which means he is aware of this and okay with the current distribution cause it somewhat contributes to the forum. The merit system isn't perfect anyway because you can find merits shared for posts with little to no contribution and some posts were ignored even if it has something to the context of the discussion so if we are trying to push the system further then it may end up badly like merit sources will not be interested in sending the merits to posts.

many merit sources (like myself) never asked to be sources. we just logged in one day and were informed that we were now sources. perhaps one day some will log in and be informed we are no longer merit sources.

until then? lol well some of us probably wont care either way one bit.

You haven't yet noticed the group of members/alts who consistently jerk each other no matter the validity of their opinions?

I am new to the forum and haven't posted in the WO thread but i would not like to be left out in the discussion in that thread until i reach Sr.

I wish the newbies and low ranks would have been more responsible so that this restriction wasn't required in the first place.