REQUEST FOR ATTENTION OF: All betking.io Signature Campaign Participants - page 2.

DireWolfM14

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Quote from: actmyname on August 15, 2021, 05:56:14 PM

How many people do you think wander into large forums with the expectation, "I need to be on my guard or else I will be scammed, because the forum allows scammers to stay here."

Maybe big red warning on every trading board post started by a newbie; something simple like "Scammers flourish in a free marketplace, WATCH YOUR ASS!" That might get the job done, but then again it could get ignored just like all the other giant red warning signs.

At some point one has to accept the risks of living in a free society. We can police our own in the hope of preventing repeat offenders, and sometime we can't even do that. The only alternative is regulation and enforcement, and I doubt theymos will ever venture there. Personally, I would rather accept the risks of a free forum than the alternative.

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Quote from: DireWolfM14 on August 15, 2021, 11:57:54 AM

Here's a situation where it appears that the victim didn't even register an account on the forum before getting scammed.

This is like one of 20 cases all of which include vareole, spanning a duration over multiple months (check trust page for some history).

No welcome message. View some of vareole's threads as if you were a guest user, but bear in mind your current knowledge greatly exceeds that of them. For example, you have to forget that the forum doesn't moderate scammers and forget that rank doesn't equate to reputation. Moreover, look at how generously the red (though somewhat pink) message paints the scammer: "while the bitcointalk.org administration does not verify such claims, you should proceed with extreme caution."

I'm not sure what you imagine when you read that sentence, but I see something akin to eBay, with some malicious users having marked another as a scammer. Of course, since the administration doesn't verify the claims, they're not a verified scammer! At least since there is a link to something that tells me about trust in greater detail in the flag warning so that I may be educated and cautioned against scams.

Wait a minute!

How many people do you think wander into large forums with the expectation, "I need to be on my guard or else I will be scammed, because the forum allows scammers to stay here."

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Quote from: actmyname on August 15, 2021, 09:13:26 AM

create subsequent alt accounts and new threads.

This is actually an easy case, since Dean wants to keep using his old name. Most of the time it's much more difficult to find alts.

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Quote from: actmyname on August 15, 2021, 09:13:26 AM

Your ability to create flags does not impact my ability to create subsequent alt accounts and new threads.

You're right about that, but there's only so much we can do. Scammers are gonna scam, victims are gonna be victimized. I'm not trying to downplay it, it's a sucky situation.

I know you've campaigned for a welcome page that will attempt to warn newbies about the proliferation of scammers on this site, and it's a noble effort on your part. It certainly couldn't hurt, but I don't think it'll solve much. Here's a situation where it appears that the victim didn't even register an account on the forum before getting scammed. The victim ignored the scammers flags and negative reviews. All those flags and tags did nothing to prevent that scam. Had the victim registered for an account and seen a scary warning message, would we have had any different of an outcome? I reckon it would have likely been ignored just like the other warnings.

There are many out there who's greed will overcome their skepticism. There's absolutely nothing we can do to prevent them from being scammed, and unfortunately those are ones scammers are banking on.

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Quote from: LoyceV on August 15, 2021, 09:11:04 AM

Quote from: actmyname on August 15, 2021, 02:46:47 AM

Which is unfortunately evadable via alternate accounts.~ a yellow flag at worst, and no flag at all at best.

Victims are allowed to create type 3 Flags on all alt accounts:

Your ability to create flags does not impact my ability to create subsequent alt accounts and new threads.

Victims will need to actively seek out their scammers to constantly add red flags. A battle of attrition. Only difference is that the scammer profits from their behavior.

LoyceV

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Quote from: actmyname on August 15, 2021, 02:46:47 AM

Which is unfortunately evadable via alternate accounts.
~ a yellow flag at worst, and no flag at all at best.

Victims are allowed to create type 3 Flags on all alt accounts:

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Quote from: LoyceV on June 12, 2019, 12:52:52 AM

Can I also create a scammer flag for alt-accounts of the contract violator? Example: BetKing.io violated a contract, but BetKing Support, dean nolan and PocketRocketsCasino are his alt-accounts.

Yes, one of the victims can.

I've created type 3 Flags on all known Betking accounts:

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source: loyce.club

2810 Active. (Support | Oppose) LoyceV flagged Betking Manager (type 3, see why). Supported by The Pharmacist, LoyceV, examplens, bitbollo, nutildah, SFR10, Slow death, TwitchySeal, JollyGood, sheenshane, witcher_sense, dkbit98, notblox1, BITCOIN4X, Ratimov, ScamViruS, Jawhead999, icopress, Stalker22, igehhh, robelneo, TheUltraElite, stomachgrowls, Swordsoffreedom, $crypto$, psycodad, PrimeNumber7, NotATether. Opposed by nobody.

44 Active. (Support | Oppose) LoyceV flagged dean nolan (type 3, see why). Supported by malevolent, Hueristic, suchmoon, LFC_Bitcoin, LoyceV, examplens, dbshck, Avirunes, nutildah, actmyname, franckuestein, marlboroza, bones261, Lafu, Lutpin, Hhampuz, Last of the V8s, bob123, JollyGood, El duderino_, Royse777, teeGUMES, o_e_l_e_o, TheBeardedBaby, coinlocket$, asche, DireWolfM14, morvillz7z, TalkStar, Timelord2067, Quickseller, TheUltraElite, IconFirm, cissrawk, PrimeNumber7, nullius, N0sferatu, izooomrud, thecatinc. Opposed by nobody.

43 Active. (Support | Oppose) LoyceV flagged PocketRocketsCasino (type 3, see why). Supported by malevolent, Hueristic, suchmoon, LFC_Bitcoin, LoyceV, examplens, dbshck, Avirunes, actmyname, franckuestein, bones261, Lafu, Hhampuz, Last of the V8s, bob123, JollyGood, Royse777, subSTRATA, teeGUMES, o_e_l_e_o, TheBeardedBaby, coinlocket$, asche, DireWolfM14, morvillz7z, TalkStar, BayAreaCoins, Timelord2067, Quickseller, TheUltraElite, IconFirm, cissrawk, PrimeNumber7, nullius, N0sferatu, izooomrud. Opposed by nobody.

42 Active. (Support | Oppose) LoyceV flagged BetKing Support (type 3, see why). Supported by malevolent, Hueristic, suchmoon, LFC_Bitcoin, LoyceV, examplens, dbshck, Avirunes, actmyname, franckuestein, marlboroza, bones261, Lafu, Hhampuz, Last of the V8s, bob123, JollyGood, El duderino_, Royse777, teeGUMES, o_e_l_e_o, TheBeardedBaby, coinlocket$, asche, DireWolfM14, morvillz7z, JSRAW, fillippone, TalkStar, Timelord2067, Quickseller, TheUltraElite, IconFirm, cissrawk, PrimeNumber7, nullius, N0sferatu, izooomrud. Opposed by nobody.

41 Active. (Support | Oppose) LoyceV flagged BetKing.io (type 3, see why). Supported by malevolent, Hueristic, suchmoon, owlcatz, LFC_Bitcoin, RHavar, SyGambler, LoyceV, examplens, dbshck, Avirunes, nutildah, actmyname, franckuestein, marlboroza, bones261, Lafu, Lutpin, Hhampuz, Last of the V8s, crwth, bob123, Murat, TwitchySeal, JollyGood, El duderino_, Royse777, teeGUMES, o_e_l_e_o, TheBeardedBaby, coinlocket$, asche, Coolcryptovator, DireWolfM14, morvillz7z, JSRAW, TalkStar, YOSHIE, notblox1, BayAreaCoins, Timelord2067, Quickseller, johhnyUA, FFrankie, TheUltraElite, Text, wwzsocki, Joel_Jantsen, IconFirm, TGD, cissrawk, ChuckBuck, Yudhisthir, pandukelana2712, PrimeNumber7, Lassie, lighpulsar07, nullius, s0lidus, N0sferatu, elmanchez, izooomrud, leventturksoy, ChemicalSpillage, Donatelli, thecatinc, okdevin. Opposed by BillyBurns, NikS13, attilla82, CrankyAnt[/size].

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Quote from: LoyceV on August 15, 2021, 02:21:38 AM

Quote from: Bitcoin_Arena on August 10, 2021, 02:25:44 PM

The evidence is more than good enough, so red tags and/or red flags can be left on the profiles by you or any member.

Correction: "red flags" (I assume you mean type 2 or 3) should only be created by actual victims of the scammer.
See the Flag creation page:

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[type 1]   Due to various concrete red flags, I believe that anyone dealing with this user has a high risk of losing money. (This flag will only be shown to guests/newbies.)
[type 2]   This user violated a casual or implied agreement with me, resulting in damages.
[type 3]   This user violated a written contract with me, resulting in damages.

Which is unfortunately evadable via alternate accounts. Once a scammer is given a red flag, there is no consequence to repeated account creation as a means of trust evasion. Of course, since trust is subjective, all this means is that if the scammer is more persistent than the victims (a likely scenario) apropos to scamming, then you can expect an efficient scammer to have a yellow flag at worst, and no flag at all at best.

LoyceV

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Quote from: Bitcoin_Arena on August 10, 2021, 02:25:44 PM

The evidence is more than good enough, so red tags and/or red flags can be left on the profiles by you or any member.

Correction: "red flags" (I assume you mean type 2 or 3) should only be created by actual victims of the scammer.
See the Flag creation page:

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[type 1]   Due to various concrete red flags, I believe that anyone dealing with this user has a high risk of losing money. (This flag will only be shown to guests/newbies.)
[type 2]   This user violated a casual or implied agreement with me, resulting in damages.
[type 3]   This user violated a written contract with me, resulting in damages.

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Quote from: Awaklara on August 10, 2021, 12:41:33 PM

I looked at the list in the spreadsheet and there were 3 Accounts Connected with the same address but one of them was deleted (Tazmantasik).
each of accounts already has negative trust and I hope accounts like this need to be given a more deterrent effect, I mean banned. Is it possible?

A ban is not possible in cases of multiple accounts cheating on bounties, unless if one of the connected accounts was banned earlier on and the remaining ones were evading ban.

The evidence is more than good enough, so red tags and/or red flags can be left on the profiles by you or any member.

Awaklara

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3 Accounts Connected

1. Celot
2. Muratsink
3. Tazmantasik

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Bitcointalk Username: celot
Bitcointalk Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/celot-708600
Current amount of Posts (Including this one): 1481
Forum Rank: Sr Member
BTC address for payouts: bc1qj0erpqj7t2qeezxvrkylfyfp7g5cud58g7zpmc

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Bitcointalk Username: muratsink
Bitcointalk Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/muratsink-897308
Current amount of Posts (Including this one): 957
Forum Rank: Sr Member
BTC address for payouts: bc1qj0erpqj7t2qeezxvrkylfyfp7g5cud58g7zpmc

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quote posted by tazmantasik on 2021-08-09 03:44:24 UTC
Bitcointalk Username: tazmantasik
Bitcointalk Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tazmantasik-558299
Current amount of Posts (Including this one): 991
Forum Rank: Hero Member
BTC address for payouts: bc1qj0erpqj7t2qeezxvrkylfyfp7g5cud58g7zpmc
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I looked at the list in the spreadsheet and there were 3 Accounts Connected with the same address but one of them was deleted (Tazmantasik).
each of accounts already has negative trust and I hope accounts like this need to be given a more deterrent effect, I mean banned. Is it possible?

acroman08

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looking at their spreadsheet, the majority of the participants are the ones who are suspected to have been bought to shill adkinsbet in the past. looks like whoever bought the account for adkinsbet is trying to make full use of it hoping to get the money back wasted for buying those accounts.

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Quote from: zanezane on August 08, 2021, 07:52:48 AM

They're much worse, they don't defend themselves since there's already a big red warning when you click on their thread, I tried to post a reply there to remind people about the implications of joining the scam campaign of Betking and the next day, I got a message that it was deleted.

No use dropping a line against them it will be deleted they have a moderated thread compared to 1XBIT who maintain an open thread Betking is worse than 1XBIT they put the thread moderated and they are not trying to resolve their existing issues, I saw some members of 1XBIT transferring to this campaign, it's a big surprise since 1XBIT is offering a much better rate, soon bounty hunters will be the next victims of these two scammers.

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Quote from: JeromeTash on August 07, 2021, 03:36:30 PM

So they decided to copy what their fellow scammers 1xbit did and think they will be successful?
It more like they are even just doing way more damage for themselves instead. I mean, who would trust a casino being advertised by a bunch of red tagged and untrusted accounts?
No one sensible enough would.

They're much worse, they don't defend themselves since there's already a big red warning when you click on their thread, I tried to post a reply there to remind people about the implications of joining the scam campaign of Betking and the next day, I got a message that it was deleted.

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Quote from: JollyGood on August 07, 2021, 05:02:50 AM

In simple terms, all signature campaign participants for the betking.io scam are kindly requested to withdraw because they are in most cases knowingly supporting and promoting a well known scam organisation. All those applying to join the signature campaign or those who promote betking.io will receive appropriate trust and ratings.

Seeing that all of them already had multiple negative ratings for various reasons + previously promoting ^{[except for two of them so far]} another known scam ^[1xbit], I think our best bet is to look for alt accounts that were previously banned ^{[if there are any]} and report them for ban evasion ^{[easier said than done]}.

Quote from: JeromeTash on August 07, 2021, 03:36:30 PM

I mean, who would trust a casino being advertised by a bunch of red tagged and untrusted accounts?
No one sensible enough would.

You have a point but unfortunately, there are still a lot of tech/computer-illiterate people out there that tend to completely ignore such ratings.

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So they decided to copy what their fellow scammers 1xbit did and think they will be successful?
It more like they are even just doing way more damage for themselves instead. I mean, who would trust a casino being advertised by a bunch of red tagged and untrusted accounts?
No one sensible enough would.

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betking.io IS A MAJOR SCAM

betking.io IS A MAJOR SCAM

Here is the betking.io signature campaign thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-betkingio-signature-campaign-the-best-bitcoin-casino-full-members-5353071

Here are some threads which highlight why betking.io is a scam and why the betking.io owner/operator serial scammer Dean Nolan cannot be trusted:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/flagged-scam-betkingio-broke-ico-promise-and-dropped-token-value-99-5122856
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betkingio-refusing-to-answer-key-questions-about-ico-owner-bans-me-instead-1703778
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betkingio-is-a-blatant-scam-operated-by-dean-nolan-4751127
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betking-dean-nolan-disastrous-reputation-read-this-reddit-post-4913034
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-alert-legal-action-against-dean-nolan-betkingio-5047787
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betkingio-relaunch-uncensored-betking-scam-thread-5287553
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betking-scam-top-casinos-give-betking-scammer-affiliate-links-5231103

From cursing members and the forum to vowing to leave and never to return back, serial scammer Dean Nolan has returned. He needs this forum to peddle and perpetuate propaganda while he tries to pocket more cash from gullible investors and game players that do not know winners in the past have had their winnings withheld under false pretences.

Many signature participants, game players and investors do not know serial scammer Dean Nolan faked a website hack in order to steal the remaining bankroll funds of the previous betking.io incarnation but after this thread and so many other threads there can be no excusing for those applying or joining the signature campaign.

In simple terms, all signature campaign participants for the betking.io scam are kindly requested to withdraw because they are in most cases knowingly supporting and promoting a well known scam organisation. All those applying to join the signature campaign or those who promote betking.io will receive appropriate trust and ratings.

Please stop promoting a known scam for the sake of pocketing some Bitcoin from a shameful signature campaign. Thank you.

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