Not sure why u made this statement in this thread out of the blue. dooglus is in DT 1 and hence I posted this thread in Meta. Also, I dont think, anyone is bothered about people in DT 3.
hehe, I had my mouse over Dooglus' name when I was looking at the trust list. Saw him in Depth 2 instead of depth 1. I shall delete my prior post and this one as well if you would like. My bad. 
Topic: Requesting Dooglus to be removed from DefaultTrust (Read 3895 times)
The people you request to be removed from Default Trust in meta, are those on level one that Theymos has control over. If you want someone removed from Default Trust depth 2, 3, etc, you just have to convince those that have added that person to their trust list. (I mean you can post in meta, people have been doing so all along, though I'm not sure why)
Not sure why u made this statement in this thread out of the blue. dooglus is in DT 1 and hence I posted this thread in Meta. Also, I dont think, anyone is bothered about people in DT 3. 
Well, not sure of my input is needed or not, but I played on just-dice which is owner by doog and everything was flient, I trust him. If he closes his site , then why you worry guys ? ( those who says he ditch just-dice with btc )
Whether dooglus should or should not be on DT has nothing to do with how he runs just-dice. The concerned periphery of DT is restricted to BitcoinTalk. 
Well, not sure of my input is needed or not, but I played on just-dice which is owner by doog and everything was flient, I trust him. If he closes his site , then why you worry guys ? ( those who says he ditch just-dice with btc )
Removing him from DT2 would fix that situation.
NO,People cant be simply removed because they are uncomfortable to someone or a particular group or an altcoin.The reason for the trust system to be opinion based or to be perceptional in a way is for this.Lets assume a situation where a scammer convinced a DT fellow and managed to get some green score and in that case he is trusted but is he actually trustworthy ? NO. This problem will be solved or the most convincing answer is when people with multiple interests ,opinions and experiences are put into DT and allowed to give ratings according to their point of views and thus the scammer would definitely fail to convince more than a couple DT guys and eventually gets a negative ,which proves that he is deceiving in someone's* point of view.
A typical trusted guy/escrow is trusted by several people and thus it means that the person is vouched by different backgrounds(let it be coding, detectives ,altcoins ,trading etc. ) and has proven himself to some extent.Excluding exceptions.
I didn't PM anyone. I just let it slide and figured most other people would see the feedback for what it is.
But, you said you considered to do so and that is something i wouldn't have expected from you.And QS trolls me all over the place. But let's not give him any more attention than he deserves.
Yes,I think he also did some digging for you.He is a digger too ..loll*Now this guy can be abusing for sure and the solution for this is definitely not easy if not complex.It could only be resolved when all the evidence's are clear and obviously are confirmed by someone trusted not by simply removing him from DT,of course not.
Why do the extremely skilled hackers get paid fucking high $$$ ? because of their abilities to detect problems or scams/hacks. Doog' if you simple ask him to be removed then you are not defending the right way.
Ok lets go through doogs post. Doog I've got to be as fucking sick of answering these fucking posts as you
Yeah, I'm torn between replying to defend myself and just letting it go.
Yep I feel ya... I've felt that way since you started busting my balls about my service being priced accurately.
True. We started out having investors risk up to 1% of their coins per bet, and dropped it to 0.25% when the first whale started knocking the bankroll around. I put it back up to 0.5% a few days later and that's where it has stayed ever since. But then I came up with the idea of "offsite investments", in a failed attempt to encourage people to take the majority of their coins offsite and stake them for themselves. It didn't work, and seems to have done nothing other than causing an arms race where everyone has to either take stupid risks or get left behind. I'll be reducing the maximum offsite multiplier over the next few weeks I think to address this problem.
I made a honest effort to explain to you that the offsite would not decentralize the network or do anything that you thought it would do.
I knew it would start a arms race because I was one of the first to fire the 100x leverage shot and had the full intentions on doing so right when I first heard the leverage plan.
The maximum profit, that is. And only if you use the current price. You wouldn't be able to actually get 500 BTC if you won the maximum profit, due to slippage.
There is no slippage with limit orders.
Right now if someone hit the current max bet twice... a market order would completely drain the Bitcoins out of Poloniex. (441916.34082813 Clamcoins are in line to be purchased on the bid)
The only reason JD isn't earning more now via CLAM is because Dooglus doesn't have as many crooked FBI Agents and others of that sort playing there via CLAM (yet!)
That's an odd thing to say, and is the first I've heard about it. Can you fill me in on any details?
Give me a bit and I'll find the links.
I'm not saying it as a bad thing on your end or anything like that, but it does effect profit and play.
I'm pretty sure that the reason the CLAM site earns less than the BTC site is because CLAM is relatively unknown compared to BTC
Agree to a point.
and has a much lower total value.
Dogecoin had a much lower value than BTC, but we were blowing other Bitcoin sites asses out of the water earning wise with Doge-Dice for a period of time.
That's why I switched to using it, to keep things smaller. CLAM is smaller than BTC by several orders of magnitude: BTC is worth billions while CLAM is worth millions.
Ya CLAM as I understood it was supposed to be a fun free way for people to come try the site and hang out.
It really lost that feeling when my "friend" started bashing me in public, ignoring me, not listing my CLAM faucets sites that enabled players (or giving me a reason why not), talking mad shit about me, banning me from the chat and a number of other shitty standoffish pussy moves you made (similar to how you did DrFred).
Everything I did was to try to help grow JD (even and especially ClamChecker) to what I thought it could be and that was met by strong resistance from you because I guess you wanted it small and near worthless.
My bad.
My biggest mistake was raining thousands of Clamcoin in the troll box... I didn't think it would attract the Dogecoin crowd who already got my mod privileges revoked a year prior for stand up for "good" people. (Chuck, Evil-Dragon and that shitty broke group, but really they go well with keeping the website small and near worthless... I understand why you like them now after months of thinking it over)
Ok lets go through doogs post. Doog I've got to be as fucking sick of answering these fucking posts as you
Yeah, I'm torn between replying to defend myself and just letting it go.
I'll just reply to the max-proft-and-FBI bit, because that's curious to me...
JD right now has a large max bet than it ever did when it was Bitcoin.
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Just-Dice
This wiki isn't correct about the max. The max bet for a 50,000 BTC bankroll was 250 BTC. When JD first launched it was 1%, but the site got raped 10,000+ Bitcoins and Dooglus freaked out a bit.
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Just-Dice
This wiki isn't correct about the max. The max bet for a 50,000 BTC bankroll was 250 BTC. When JD first launched it was 1%, but the site got raped 10,000+ Bitcoins and Dooglus freaked out a bit.
True. We started out having investors risk up to 1% of their coins per bet, and dropped it to 0.25% when the first whale started knocking the bankroll around. I put it back up to 0.5% a few days later and that's where it has stayed ever since. But then I came up with the idea of "offsite investments", in a failed attempt to encourage people to take the majority of their coins offsite and stake them for themselves. It didn't work, and seems to have done nothing other than causing an arms race where everyone has to either take stupid risks or get left behind. I'll be reducing the maximum offsite multiplier over the next few weeks I think to address this problem.
Right now the max bet is 583.51938 BTC.
The maximum profit, that is. And only if you use the current price. You wouldn't be able to actually get 500 BTC if you won the maximum profit, due to slippage. There just isn't enough demand for CLAM to be able to sell that many of them very quickly.
The only reason JD isn't earning more now via CLAM is because Dooglus doesn't have as many crooked FBI Agents and others of that sort playing there via CLAM (yet!)
That's an odd thing to say, and is the first I've heard about it. Can you fill me in on any details?
I'm pretty sure that the reason the CLAM site earns less than the BTC site is because CLAM is relatively unknown compared to BTC, and has a much lower total value. That's why I switched to using it, to keep things smaller. CLAM is smaller than BTC by several orders of magnitude: BTC is worth billions while CLAM is worth millions.
I still don't understand why you want Dooglas to be taken off DT. He hasn't done anything wrong.
I'll adjust my feedback and break down the negatives and the positives because obviously that is bothering you.
I thought I could kill a few birds with one post and highlight the good, bad and the ugly, but obviously that isn't ok. I'll fix it right after this post.
I thought I could kill a few birds with one post and highlight the good, bad and the ugly, but obviously that isn't ok. I'll fix it right after this post.
Feedback updated and split up.
Feel free to update your feedback left with me.
Ok lets go through doogs post. Doog I've got to be as fucking sick of answering these fucking posts as you and the only reason I came to this fucking thread is because someone PM'ed me asking if I would (not QS).
1/5: It's true. I mentioned that I was working on getting the CLAM client ready for use with Just-Dice in the course of a conversation with him. It wasn't a secret. I would have told anyone who asked what I was working on. My work was all published to github in real time for anyone to see anyway.
I didn't ask dooglus what he was working on or anything of the sort. He approached me. I had no knowledge of his github shit until he told me directly. I do not save chat logs and have no way of proving this besides my word.
2/5: I could figure it out if anyone cares. I had less than you, but more than most. I don't think anyone would open a dice site that only accepts a currency they have no interest in.
There is no telling what percentage of the network was owned by the two of us. I'd love to hear and I'll adjust my feedback accordingly.
Dooglus showed his deception to hid his CLAM stack by slowly leaking his investment into JD in order to appear more fair. He encouraged me to do the same (or so it felt to me). I was firm about requesting all my coins in order to invest without being deceptive about how many coins I had. Dooglus did gave me my coins. I then told people that I purchased the coins because of watching Doogs posts and the Github stuff in order to try to keep some heat off Dooglus.
3/5: I'm not sure what to say about this. Is being smart a bad thing?
Nope it's a fine thing.
JD right now has a large max bet than it ever did when it was Bitcoin.
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Just-Dice
This wiki isn't correct about the max. The max bet for a 50,000 BTC bankroll was 250 BTC. When JD first launched it was 1%, but the site got raped 10,000+ Bitcoins and Dooglus freaked out a bit.
Right now the max bet is 583.51938 BTC. The only reason JD isn't earning more now via CLAM is because Dooglus doesn't have as many crooked FBI Agents and others of that sort playing there via CLAM (yet!)
I have during times of large diggers and my website being used by individuals... it is much quieter now that both of those "problems" are gone.
5/5: This also seems like a good thing.
Yep if dooglus knows that you'd know directly and it would require him to look over his shoulder... you'll get your shit back.
It is a good thing.
I'll adjust my feedback and break down the negatives and the positives because obviously that is bothering you.
I thought I could kill a few birds with one post and highlight the good, bad and the ugly, but obviously that isn't ok. I'll fix it right after this post.
No free cookies or punch either.
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Gave me insider information of Just-Dice reopening with something called Clamcoin that allowed us to acquire a large amount of the "most fairly distributed crypto ever" before pushing it to the ignorant public.
1/5: It's true. I mentioned that I was working on getting the CLAM client ready for use with Just-Dice in the course of a conversation with him. It wasn't a secret. I would have told anyone who asked what I was working on. My work was all published to github in real time for anyone to see anyway.
I didn't ask dooglus what he was working on or anything of the sort. He approached me. I had no knowledge of his github shit until he told me directly. I do not save chat logs and have no way of proving this besides my word.
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No telling what percentage of the network was owned by Doog and I alone.
2/5: I could figure it out if anyone cares. I had less than you, but more than most. I don't think anyone would open a dice site that only accepts a currency they have no interest in.
There is no telling what percentage of the network was owned by the two of us. I'd love to hear and I'll adjust my feedback accordingly.
Dooglus showed his deception to hid his CLAM stack by slowly leaking his investment into JD in order to appear more fair. He encouraged me to do the same (or so it felt to me). I was firm about requesting all my coins in order to invest without being deceptive about how many coins I had. Dooglus did gave me my coins. I then told people that I purchased the coins because of watching Doogs posts and the Github stuff in order to try to keep some heat off Dooglus.
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Dooglus is very very smart and you'd never know if he got one over on you generally.
3/5: I'm not sure what to say about this. Is being smart a bad thing?
Nope it's a fine thing.
4/5: This isn't true. Just-Dice for BTC was making far more than Just-Dice for CLAM has ever made. I switched to CLAM from BTC because I wanted to downsize. Just-Dice for BTC was stupidly huge. I was holding over $60 million worth of BTC in my house at one point, and hated the responsibility of having to look after so much of other people's money. If I was in it for the money wouldn't I have run sites for both BTC and CLAM at the same time? Or maybe just kept the $60 million?
I've never seen any CLAM developer pushing to remove digging. I was attempting to allow an open discussion of possibilities. That seems like a good thing to me, not something to complain about. We ended up putting it to a 'vote' of sorts, and it appears there is no consensus to change anything - and so nothing has been changed.
I've never seen any CLAM developer pushing to remove digging. I was attempting to allow an open discussion of possibilities. That seems like a good thing to me, not something to complain about. We ended up putting it to a 'vote' of sorts, and it appears there is no consensus to change anything - and so nothing has been changed.
JD right now has a large max bet than it ever did when it was Bitcoin.
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Just-Dice
This wiki isn't correct about the max. The max bet for a 50,000 BTC bankroll was 250 BTC. When JD first launched it was 1%, but the site got raped 10,000+ Bitcoins and Dooglus freaked out a bit.
Right now the max bet is 583.51938 BTC. The only reason JD isn't earning more now via CLAM is because Dooglus doesn't have as many crooked FBI Agents and others of that sort playing there via CLAM (yet!)
I've never seen any CLAM developer pushing to remove digging. I was attempting to allow an open discussion of possibilities. That seems like a good thing to me, not something to complain about. We ended up putting it to a 'vote' of sorts, and it appears there is no consensus to change anything - and so nothing has been changed.
I have during times of large diggers and my website being used by individuals... it is much quieter now that both of those "problems" are gone.
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Dooglus has a very good history of giving people back their coins though I will say that. I saw him return over 60,000 BTC to rightful owners.
5/5: This also seems like a good thing.
Yep if dooglus knows that you'd know directly and it would require him to look over his shoulder... you'll get your shit back.
It is a good thing.
I think leaving someone unjustified negative feedback is an attack. Especially when you see how the forum trust system works. A single 'respected' negative cancels all previous positives.
I'll adjust my feedback and break down the negatives and the positives because obviously that is bothering you.
I thought I could kill a few birds with one post and highlight the good, bad and the ugly, but obviously that isn't ok. I'll fix it right after this post.
I have no idea how it worked. I never asked to be added to DT, and didn't even know I had been added for a while. There was no welcome message or anything of the sort.
No free cookies or punch either.
You can't just go around this forum like you own it. So stop bossing people around.
When it first happened I considered PMing the others in DT1 and asking them to ~BayAreaCoins to fix the situation,
Lol I am amazed to see this response from you dude.Lets assume if someone is accusing falsely then you simply ask others to ignore or remove him from DT but wont shed some light on the accusation ? particularly when the person accusing is not a newbie or some typical spammer here to earn money.This is hilarious and unexpected.
I saw the feedback, immediately realised it was nothing more than retaliation for my negative comments about his clamdigger fees and/or for me encouraging discussion re. the future of CLAM, and figured everyone else would see it the same way.
It never occurred to me that anyone would take his feedback seriously.
Let's go through it and see if it has any merit as a negative trust feedback. There are 5 paragraphs:
Removing him doesn't Fixes the situation.
It depends how you see "the situation".
The situation as I see it is my reputation goes to zero because of a single 'negative' feedback. He left similar negative feedback for the other CLAM developers too. Removing him from DT2 would fix that situation.
The the main plot in BAC's ratings is just a warning and to be cautious with you, but not to remove you from DT ,you are a scammer,you should be punished etc..But you appear to have an exact opposite behavior by calling him an asshole etc..
I think the main point of his feedback was to damage my reputation because he didn't like that I was trying to have a discussion with the CLAM community about possible reactions to the large CLAM digger.
So when it first happens you simply PM others to remove him but all the clam problems is suddenly equal to shit and all you care is about the ratings...Not Cool dude.
I didn't PM anyone. I just let it slide and figured most other people would see the feedback for what it is.
In short two trolls have been attacking me. Hopefully anyone with a little intelligence can see it for what it is.
How is that an attack when none of them made this thread or any other appeal ? Do you mean the OP is one of their alt's ?I think leaving someone unjustified negative feedback is an attack. Especially when you see how the forum trust system works. A single 'respected' negative cancels all previous positives.
And QS trolls me all over the place. But let's not give him any more attention than he deserves.
Not to derail thread but can anyone tell me how much default trust you need to get into dft1? Or is it just more of a case of who you know? I havent been able to find anything on how you actually get in.
I have no idea how it worked. I never asked to be added to DT, and didn't even know I had been added for a while. There was no welcome message or anything of the sort.
I only just found this thread after RayBrady mentioned it in the bustabit trollbox. Thanks for bringing it to my attention Ray. I think.
I thought I had pm'ed this thread to you on JD... perhaps I thought of it and didn't actually do it.
My bad.
I read your fight with dooglus but I don't seem to find your evidence and proofs of what you are accusing him of: ''Ditched Bitcoin Just-Dice because he'd earn more Bitcoins on Just-Dice through shitcoins that he'd corned the market on. Now that there is a BIG digger and doog no longer has a corner on the market... they are pushing for core changes on CLAM to remove digging all together. Stinks to high hell IMO. ''
You said that however you never provided any link, reference or something more than just your word, that's why he only has your negative. Would you mind telling us more?
Isn't dooglus the guy behind Prime Dice?
If so then he is one of the most trusted members of the community?
I am not sure, but if he is the guy behind primedice, then he deserves the rank that he is on. Not neutral trust.If so then he is one of the most trusted members of the community?
No.
Stunna owns Prime Dice last I checked.
Now that I've gone OT
Not to derail thread but can anyone tell me how much default trust you need to get into dft1? Or is it just more of a case of who you know? I havent been able to find anything on how you actually get in.
There is no "limit" for getting into DT 1, theymos chooses who goes in there. DefaultTrust is an bot(account) run by theymos, and only he can insert someone on its trust list 
Not to derail thread but can anyone tell me how much default trust you need to get into dft1? Or is it just more of a case of who you know? I havent been able to find anything on how you actually get in.
Isn't dooglus the guy behind Prime Dice?
If so then he is one of the most trusted members of the community?
I am not sure, but if he is the guy behind primedice, then he deserves the rank that he is on. Not neutral trust.If so then he is one of the most trusted members of the community?
No.
Stunna owns Prime Dice last I checked.
Isn't dooglus the guy behind Prime Dice?
If so then he is one of the most trusted members of the community?
I am not sure, but if he is the guy behind primedice, then he deserves the rank that he is on. Not neutral trust. If so then he is one of the most trusted members of the community?
If you give dooglus Bitcoins and he is supposed to give them back... he's going to.
I do not think he should be removed from the DT, but I do think ppl should be warned about things he has a strong hold on because I do believe he would use his coding powers to bend your service over and fuck you in the ass.
I do not think he should be removed from the DT, but I do think ppl should be warned about things he has a strong hold on because I do believe he would use his coding powers to bend your service over and fuck you in the ass.
When it first happened I considered PMing the others in DT1 and asking them to ~BayAreaCoins to fix the situation,
Lol I am amazed to see this response from you dude.Lets assume if someone is accusing falsely then you simply ask others to ignore or remove him from DT but wont shed some light on the accusation ? particularly when the person accusing is not a newbie or some typical spammer here to earn money.This is hilarious and unexpected.
Removing him doesn't Fixes the situation.
The the main plot in BAC's ratings is just a warning and to be cautious with you, but not to remove you from DT ,you are a scammer,you should be punished etc..But you appear to have an exact opposite behavior by calling him an asshole etc..
So when it first happens you simply PM others to remove him but all the clam problems is suddenly equal to shit and all you care is about the ratings...Not Cool dude.
In short two trolls have been attacking me. Hopefully anyone with a little intelligence can see it for what it is.
How is that an attack when none of them made this thread or any other appeal ? Do you mean the OP is one of their alt's ? I only just found this thread after RayBrady mentioned it in the bustabit trollbox. Thanks for bringing it to my attention Ray. I think.
I thought I had pm'ed this thread to you on JD... perhaps I thought of it and didn't actually do it.
My bad.
The way the trust system works is that a single negative by anyone high enough up resets your rating to zero. In my case BayAreaCoins left me a negative trust rating that is entirely undeserved because he was butthurt when I pointed out that his "clamchecker" site was charging fees incorrectly.
Wrong. My fee was correct and I do feel it was deserved.
You began trolling my service because you were butthurt because the CLAM market was grossly inflated and I wasn't bowing to King of Clamcoin to make MY site how the King of Clamcoin wanted it.
Time told the truth in regards to this anyways (look at the price charts.)
You were trying to keep a grossly inflated market for your and others "profits"... same with yours and others want to remove digging at one point.
Rather than fixing it he got mad. Then when I started paying attention to people asking the CLAM developers to consider doing something about the large amount of "CLAM digging" that was going on he went off the deep end with his paranoid ranting about the developers wanting to ban digging.
There was nothing to fix and for a period of time my site was the most profitable way to dig CLAM. It was at that point the heat was really turned up on changing the core distribution of CLAM.
You trolled my service and refused to correct misinformation that you posted about my service and I because it was for the "good" of the diggers and community, but not once did you ever recommend the service when it was most profitable.
You obviously had a issue with me... which is totally fine.
At one point he went as far as saying that he wanted one of the developers to die in childbirth.
Yep I did. I mentioned this in a early post in this thread.
Fuck her.
I did however say I hoped the kiddo made it. *pats self on back* (Note: She successfully had her kid and lived through it despite my wants... yay...)
The guy's just an asshole who has no business being in the default trust system at all.
Some would argue the same for you. Being an asshole doesn't make you untrustworthy. I've done tens of thousands of dollars of deals in your chatrooms flawlessly and plenty of trades here on this very forum that people can reference.
If I ever made a mistake (such as selling troy ounces weighed at 28.1 grams) I always went back and corrected them for my customer. I've held guns for months for people whom purchased them from me while abroad and delivered as agreed upon their return.
I never asked to be on the DT here and there isn't free cookies or punch that come with it either. I just do what I'm supposed to and what I think is the right thing to do. I don't know if the same can be said for you entirely.
When it first happened I considered PMing the others in DT1 and asking them to ~BayAreaCoins to fix the situation, but I don't think it's really worth bothering people with.
~ me all you want, but anyone who has done business with me or dealt with me face to face would be a smuck to listen to you.
In fact a large number of your large "investors" now days purchase their first CLAM from me.
I don't trade here and don't care what my trust rating is that much.
A immigrant and his x-trucker GF don't need to do much trading when they have milked people six ways from Sunday... I guess I'll count my lucky stars.
Shorena: It's true that I mentioned to BAC that I was working on getting Just-Dice working with the CLAM client a few weeks before it went live.
I was the only one you mentioned it directly... not even Deb. (or so you said at one point)
You also passed me Rat4s dox in order for me to acquire the coins that I did due to him robbing Clamcoin blind through the rigged lottery system.
You also took a 50% fee from me for staking my coins prior to JD launch and then felt obligated to troll my service when we were the most profitable way for the community to earn Bitcoins from their free Clamcoins.
My trust left for you is accurate... I still don't think you need to be removed from the DT list as stated in a earlier post on this thread.
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