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Topic: Requesting theymos to remove CanaryInTheMine from DefaultTrust - page 11. (Read 15798 times)

legendary
Activity: 1652
Merit: 1128
Seems der_troll gave Mabsark negative trust, and that der_troll is in the 2nd level of the default trust list. I can't seem to figure out why though.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=73449
He has one trusted negative feedback (from Mabsark) and no untrusted feedback. Why is he in level 2?

If you look at hierarchical view of trust, it appears that both der_troll and Mabsark are listed under CanaryInTheMine, who is level 1 default.
Yeah, but Canary never left feedback for der_troll.
If Canary includes der_troll in his trust list, but doesn't leave a feedback for him, would that add him to the level 2 list?

Edit: saw BadBear's post. It would seem so.

You don't need to leave someone feedback to have them on your trust list.
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
hole trust system should be removed and go back to scammer tags...

Its just a stupid game at this point as we can all see.

Back to the 'centralized communist' system everyone hated? Wink

It worked and I found it to be more accurate then the current trust system that is more about kissing ass then it is facts
legendary
Activity: 1288
Merit: 1227
Away on an extended break
Seems der_troll gave Mabsark negative trust, and that der_troll is in the 2nd level of the default trust list. I can't seem to figure out why though.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=73449
He has one trusted negative feedback (from Mabsark) and no untrusted feedback. Why is he in level 2?

If you look at hierarchical view of trust, it appears that both der_troll and Mabsark are listed under CanaryInTheMine, who is level 1 default.
Yeah, but Canary never left feedback for der_troll.
If Canary includes der_troll in his trust list, but doesn't leave a feedback for him, would that add him to the level 2 list?

Canary added him in his trust list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust) . Leaving trust does not add that person to your trust list I see.
legendary
Activity: 1288
Merit: 1227
Away on an extended break
hole trust system should be removed and go back to scammer tags...

Its just a stupid game at this point as we can all see.

Back to the 'centralized communist' system everyone hated? Wink
legendary
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1004
Seems der_troll gave Mabsark negative trust, and that der_troll is in the 2nd level of the default trust list. I can't seem to figure out why though.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=73449
He has one trusted negative feedback (from Mabsark) and no untrusted feedback. Why is he in level 2?

If you look at hierarchical view of trust, it appears that both der_troll and Mabsark are listed under CanaryInTheMine, who is level 1 default.
Yeah, but Canary never left feedback for der_troll.
If Canary includes der_troll in his trust list, but doesn't leave a feedback for him, would that add him to the level 2 list?

Edit: saw BadBear's post. It would seem so.
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
hole trust system should be removed and go back to scammer tags...

Its just a stupid game at this point as we can all see.


People come into bitcointalk to learn about bitcoin and are like look at this childish ass shit.
legendary
Activity: 1652
Merit: 1128
Seems der_troll gave Mabsark negative trust, and that der_troll is in the 2nd level of the default trust list. I can't seem to figure out why though.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=73449
He has one trusted negative feedback (from Mabsark) and no untrusted feedback. Why is he in level 2?

Because CanaryintheMine has der_troll in his trust list as well. Look at Hierarchical view at the bottom of the page to see who is on who's list.

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Beaten but I included a full list. Tongue
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 1737
"Common rogue from Russia with a bare ass."
Seems der_troll gave Mabsark negative trust, and that der_troll is in the 2nd level of the default trust list. I can't seem to figure out why though.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=73449
He has one trusted negative feedback (from Mabsark) and no untrusted feedback. Why is he in level 2?

If you look at hierarchical view of trust, it appears that both der_troll and Mabsark are listed under CanaryInTheMine, who is level 1 default.
legendary
Activity: 1288
Merit: 1227
Away on an extended break
Seems der_troll gave Mabsark negative trust, and that der_troll is in the 2nd level of the default trust list. I can't seem to figure out why though.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=73449
He has one trusted negative feedback (from Mabsark) and no untrusted feedback. Why is he in level 2?
I'm thinking of giving a positive feedback to Mabsark to even out his trust. I've went through his feedbacks to various 'cloud miners', and to be honest I do find his opinion of them mostly substantiated.
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
Seems der_troll gave Mabsark negative trust, and that der_troll is in the 2nd level of the default trust list. I can't seem to figure out why though.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=73449
He has one trusted negative feedback (from Mabsark) and no untrusted feedback. Why is he in level 2?

the trust system is borked?
legendary
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1004
Seems der_troll gave Mabsark negative trust, and that der_troll is in the 2nd level of the default trust list. I can't seem to figure out why though.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=73449
He has one trusted negative feedback (from Mabsark) and no untrusted feedback. Why is he in level 2?
legendary
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1004
To be honest, I'm considering leaving negative trust for you SS. It is pretty blatant that you are not just a victim of PBmining but are doing your damndest to keep all these ponzis going for as long as possible. I would consider you to be just as complicit as the operators of the ponzis, and don't trust a thing you say on that basis.
legendary
Activity: 1288
Merit: 1227
Away on an extended break
I actually personally agree to most of Mabsark's opinions here, especially given the recent light where PBMining imploded. Also, Mabsark's not in DefaultTrust, rather someone in DefaultTrust has trusted him.
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 1737
"Common rogue from Russia with a bare ass."
I have no horse in this race, but am actively looking for genuine opportunities to invest coin.
I have looked at many ventures asking for investment, from arbitrage to cloud mining and cannot believe how low the bar is set.
In the fiat world, these glossy, vague websites promising high ROI would be laughed at and discounted by anyone with a measure of good sense.
Some of these are on the level of Nigerian 419's and barely more sophisticated, but still seem to attract funds from similarly unsophisticated people.
Although 'innocent until proven guilty' is a valuable principle, this is not a court of law here. The trust system allows Mabsark and others to leave negative feedback based on their opinions and I don't agree that he and others are abusing it.
His critics say that he leaves negative feedback in order to make his own investments more attractive. Having read much of this, I personally think that is an excuse for people who play ponzis and see his actions as a threat to their 'game' to denigrate the value of his healthy skepticism.
Now it seems a trust war is beginning.
If that means confused newbies will research more before parting with coin, then that will be a positive side effect.

sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250

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My only outside investment has been (quite a lot of BTC) in PBMining early in 2014 and because of my losses, i'm prepared to investigate anything which purports to be a 'cloud mining operation'

This is a lie right here, all customers who got any contracts by July 2014 got paid out their investment and got some small profit. You on the other hand are promoting your own rigs for mining and this is the main reason why you don't like competition.

not a lie, my customer number with pbmining is #51. I was promised a 5 year contract therefore i will have significant losses to the promises of pbmining.

my own rigs are here:
http://mmpool.org/user/rgs
as I already stated in your scam thread

occasionally i put them onto nicehash, which is a REAL cloud mining service (unlike your own fraudulent ponzi scheme).
please give evidence of your benign allegations.
full member
Activity: 142
Merit: 100

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My only outside investment has been (quite a lot of BTC) in PBMining early in 2014 and because of my losses, i'm prepared to investigate anything which purports to be a 'cloud mining operation'

This is a lie right here, all customers who got any contracts by July 2014 got paid out their investment and got some small profit. You on the other hand are promoting your own rigs for mining and this is the main reason why you don't like competition.
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250


raskul and a few others have HaveLock stocks



not fucking likely mate. i only mine with my own rigging.

1 x SP31
1 x SP20
3 x SP10
2 x S3+

why the fuck would I need to invest in a dodgy PO that guarantees no return whatsoever?

you are deluded.

My only outside investment has been (quite a lot of BTC) in PBMining early in 2014 and because of my losses, i'm prepared to investigate anything which purports to be a 'cloud mining operation'

This is done to assist this community and BTC as a whole, due to the fact that there are far too many fraudsters who think they can get away with hiding a ponzi pyramid scheme under the guise of 'cloud mining'

9/10 of them are doing this and there are only a few who are genuine. none of which, I would invest in.
I give my vote of confidence to Mabsark.
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9795972

But I voice a valid concern, and have asked him to remove it but he refuses.

I count 16 instances of negative trust  in your profile. Id say its pretty likely mabsark had valid concerns too.

Now find one that is of actual value please. Here let me help you the ones for actual trades are positive.
TwinWinNerD 3: -0 / +4(4)   2014-12-02   0.00000000      He looked someone up for me
Wardrick 1: -0 / +3(3)   2014-06-05   0.00000000      Sold me a Walmart GC for BTC. Recommended trader. +1
legendary
Activity: 980
Merit: 1040
But I voice a valid concern, and have asked him to remove it but he refuses.

I count 16 instances of negative trust  in your profile. Id say its pretty likely mabsark had valid concerns too.
hero member
Activity: 658
Merit: 500
The trust should be removed in my opinion for a number of reasons.

First and foremost, his trust is a conflict of interest. If he owns shares of a competing cloud mining service then his trust will result in potential customers to not want to invest in the competition which will result in them buying the shares of the service he owns. This will result in his shares becoming more valuable. If he has a valid reason these users/companies should have negative trust then he should present evidence to someone else without this conflict.

Secondly, he does not have proof that these users/companies are scamming (this is by his own admission in the trust that he left). He essentially says that the companies have not proven themselves to be legitimate and that he will remove negative trust once they have proven themselves to not be scamming. Negative trust should only be given when someone has actually scammed or there is strong evidence the person is trying to scam/is in the process of scamming. Additionally I would say that the majority of users here value the concept of innocent until proven guilty which means that evidence needs to be presented that the companies in question are scamming, not to say that the companies must prove they are not scamming.
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