this thread is becoming ridiculous.
Well, this thread has just added a bunch of people to my ignore list and my personal distrust list.
Topic: Requesting theymos to remove CanaryInTheMine from DefaultTrust - page 7. (Read 15809 times)
December 12, 2014, 04:24:37 PM
Well, this thread has just added a bunch of people to my ignore list and my personal distrust list.
December 12, 2014, 12:46:04 PM
Because of this Canary removed me from his trusted list.
Im more curious how you ended up on canary's list in the first place.
A quick glance over your post history doesnt exactly answer that question.
The same way Mabsark & MrTeal ended up in his trust list. Canary has lost his credibility to be in DefaultTrust.
Canary leads Group buys from FriedCat led AsicMiner and whoever joins there gets into his trust list. Now, if anyone goes against FriedCat will be thrown out of his trust list, because that is a conflict of interest for Canary. This is utter nonsense.
BadBear clearly stated that der_troll is not an alt and from the password change history, it is also clear that his password was not changed. So, that is the original owner, but Canary threw him out of his trust list for conflict of interest.
malaimult is not default trust. der_troll is. malaimult used his alt to leave feedback as his alt is on default trust but he is not. connecting the dots is fun speculation.
Nah, I don't think so.
December 12, 2014, 12:43:28 PM
Because of this Canary removed me from his trusted list.
Im more curious how you ended up on canary's list in the first place.
A quick glance over your post history doesnt exactly answer that question.
December 12, 2014, 11:08:44 AM
I would like also to add :
With this trust system it is so easy *abuse it* so I think we need new change , or better modify it completely. Because I've seen a lot of these type of threads ( it is always the same story).
With this trust system it is so easy *abuse it* so I think we need new change , or better modify it completely. Because I've seen a lot of these type of threads ( it is always the same story).
What do you suggest as an alternative? I cannot think of a feedback system that is flawless or foolproof to abuse but if you can some up with one maybe it will be considered.
There should be different formula for calculating positive trust if multiple people give trust feedback that are not trusted by different people. For example if everyone that gives you positive trust are all trusted by badbear then each additional trust rating by someone on badbears list should count for less while someone on theymos' list would count for more. You should not be able to receive "green" trust unless you are trusted by people that are on at least two different trust lists.
Negative trust should cause a profile to turn "red" at first with one scam report but would go away after n time without a second scam report. This would prevent someone from being able to continue to scam but would prevent someone from abusing the trust system and would force scam reports to be community reviewed (and a 2nd person agreeing on default trust) after a scam accusation is opened (as it should be after giving negative trust)
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December 12, 2014, 10:48:26 AM
I would like also to add :
With this trust system it is so easy *abuse it* so I think we need new change , or better modify it completely. Because I've seen a lot of these type of threads ( it is always the same story).
With this trust system it is so easy *abuse it* so I think we need new change , or better modify it completely. Because I've seen a lot of these type of threads ( it is always the same story).
What do you suggest as an alternative? I cannot think of a feedback system that is flawless or foolproof to abuse but if you can some up with one maybe it will be considered.
December 12, 2014, 10:34:30 AM
I would like also to add :
With this trust system it is so easy *abuse it* so I think we need new change , or better modify it completely. Because I've seen a lot of these type of threads ( it is always the same story).
With this trust system it is so easy *abuse it* so I think we need new change , or better modify it completely. Because I've seen a lot of these type of threads ( it is always the same story).
December 12, 2014, 10:33:25 AM
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I would sell it for the right price, couple of bitcoins would do I guess Smiley
My comment in off topic. Because of this Canary removed me from his trusted list. That post of mine was more a joke then anything serious, if serious then you would be able to find same kind of post in buying/selling accounts threads. As for the "right price", how many users here wouldn't sell it for the right price if they were offered 10-20BTC for their account? Yes there are ones that wouldn't but 95% members would accept this offer...
No way would i sell my account or 50btc+, i value my reputation and honor more than that, the fact that again you have openly said you would sell your account is valid reason enough for CITM not to trust you. he does not want to trust someone willing to sell their account then that is his prerogative.
December 12, 2014, 10:30:10 AM
this thread is becoming ridiculous.
it's fun though..... Amazed at the title change, remove CITM from deault trust..... madness.
December 12, 2014, 08:49:21 AM
malaimult is not default trust. der_troll is. malaimult used his alt to leave feedback as his alt is on default trust but he is not. connecting the dots is fun speculation.
Nah, I don't think so.
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December 12, 2014, 08:36:54 AM
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I would sell it for the right price, couple of bitcoins would do I guess Smiley
My comment in off topic. Because of this Canary removed me from his trusted list. That post of mine was more a joke then anything serious, if serious then you would be able to find same kind of post in buying/selling accounts threads. As for the "right price", how many users here wouldn't sell it for the right price if they were offered 10-20BTC for their account? Yes there are ones that wouldn't but 95% members would accept this offer...but I'm a bad guy who needs to be removed from Canary default trust because of that comment. And as pointed by member here my password did not change and my account is still mine....
This is just ridiculous where this forum is heading.
A global mode was offered much higher (>=5x) but he declined. 95% isn't right, you may want to lower it. According to your post, you may sell it if you are offered a good price. So, Canary removed you from DT.
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December 12, 2014, 08:24:23 AM
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I would sell it for the right price, couple of bitcoins would do I guess Smiley
My comment in off topic. Because of this Canary removed me from his trusted list. That post of mine was more a joke then anything serious, if serious then you would be able to find same kind of post in buying/selling accounts threads. As for the "right price", how many users here wouldn't sell it for the right price if they were offered 10-20BTC for their account? Yes there are ones that wouldn't but 95% members would accept this offer...but I'm a bad guy who needs to be removed from Canary default trust because of that comment. And as pointed by member here my password did not change and my account is still mine....
This is just ridiculous where this forum is heading.
December 12, 2014, 08:16:07 AM
this thread is becoming ridiculous.
This thread is ... awesome ! It is not ridiculous, it will be helpful for theymos because I think we will need a new trust system in the *new* forum software.
December 12, 2014, 08:14:38 AM
this thread is becoming ridiculous.
December 12, 2014, 08:12:04 AM
I would urge you to use the seclog tool with caution. Its extremely useful as a warning, but you shouldn't use it to try and connect anybody who has some opinion.
The feedback left by der_troll is word for word what malaimult wrote in this thread one day prior to the feedback being left.
My guess is Der_troll and Malaimult are one int he same.
Copy/paste, why? Because it was all well put by malaimult. What's the point of rewriting it?
December 12, 2014, 06:42:12 AM
I am not defending you or der_troll. Personally, I feel you've a vested interest, but I don't have conviction or the power to influence anything.
Oh, I got that. I was just pointing out that I was using the trust system as intended. I've also just removed negative feedback from one service like I said I would if they could just provide a shred of evidence.
I do have a vested interest, as does der_troll. My interest lies with customers choosing an unquestionably legitimate service. Der_troll's interest lies with customers choosing an almost certain cloud mining ponzi. Also, given that I used the Trust system how it's meant to be used based on the descriptions of the options, his negative feedback complaining about me abusing the trust system is hypocritical. That would be the actual abuse of the system given that I'm not a scammer and he has no reason to suspect me of being a scammer.
December 12, 2014, 06:38:22 AM
malaimult is not default trust. der_troll is. malaimult used his alt to leave feedback as his alt is on default trust but he is not. connecting the dots is fun speculation.
What is fun speculation for you may incorrectly ruin some one else's reputation. Hence I said you should judge carefully and be reasonably confident before making any kind of accusations.
I am not judging or accusing, i am merely speculating on small pieces of information gathered. There is no conclusive evidence but there are some dots linking the two if you like to speculate.
December 12, 2014, 06:25:36 AM
malaimult is not default trust. der_troll is. malaimult used his alt to leave feedback as his alt is on default trust but he is not. connecting the dots is fun speculation.
What is fun speculation for you may incorrectly ruin some one else's reputation. Hence I said you should judge carefully and be reasonably confident before making any kind of accusations.
December 12, 2014, 06:21:42 AM
malaimult is not default trust. der_troll is. malaimult used his alt to leave feedback as his alt is on default trust but he is not. connecting the dots is fun speculation.
December 12, 2014, 06:21:05 AM
I would urge you to use the seclog tool with caution. Its extremely useful as a warning, but you shouldn't use it to try and connect anybody who has some opinion.
The feedback left by der_troll is word for word what malaimult wrote in this thread one day prior to the feedback being left.
My guess is Der_troll and Malaimult are one int he same.
That does make it suspicious. Still, its a big accusation and I would urge you to show restraint. One of them may not be a good writer or lazy and copied it.
Once an accusation is made publicly it sticks even if it is later found out to be incorrect.
December 12, 2014, 06:19:33 AM
You can give neutral feedback instead. Thats why its there.
I didn't want to leave neutral feedback. Like I said earlier, when leaving negative feedback it states.
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Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.
I'm using the system as intended.
I am not defending you or der_troll. Personally, I feel you've a vested interest, but I don't have conviction or the power to influence anything.
It would be an interesting case to see how the trust system works.
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