Require a small amount of merit to become a Junior Member - page 3.

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Quote from: QuadeBarrier on July 17, 2018, 02:01:47 AM

I think the people from the post you posted should be penalized in different way. I have yet to get a merit, and as far as I can tell other legit JR. members also. It's not fair that we should be penalized because of obvious spammers.

You don't have to be a bot or an obvious spammer. There are many users who just write 30 one liners over the required time and then they become a Junior Member with no effort whatsoever. People are farming accounts in their hundreds if not thousands this way. Requiring one merit is not outrageous, but it certainly makes farming Junior accounts much more harder and doesn't really effect those others who are here to contribute something as they will likely get the merit pretty fast. I've just looked over your few pages of posts and whilst I wouldn't call you a spammer you haven't really contributed anything substantial either, but I doubt you'd have much issue in getting one merit if you put some more effort in. Requiring one merit to move up a rank really shouldn't be an issue, and if people can't even achieve one merit I would say the problem lies with them.

Piggy

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One idea could be to change the registration process in a way cannot be easily automated. Limiting posting ability was already discussed and dismissed. There is no perfect solution.

Otherwise we would need some machine learning magic in the forum that takes care of detecting bots

QuadeBarrier

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I think the people from the post you posted should be penalized in different ways. I have yet to get a merit, and as far as I can tell other legit JR. members also. It's not fair that we should be penalized because of obvious spammers.

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Quote from: xtraelv on July 16, 2018, 06:09:31 PM

Perhaps something that some of the data gurus probably would love. Release the new account registrations data. This would allow pattern matching to bulk bot registrations.

A daily dump of all usernames would be a great help. Just 3 days ago, I've identified 874 likely bot accounts, out of the 11000 profiles I downloaded. Earlier, 227 of those were caught spamming and nuked already, yesterday they continued spamming with accounts that I identified already.

There are 2 problems though:
-I don't think Mods are willing to nuke accounts that didn't spam yet
-And even if they do, spambots will quickly change their pattern so that it can't be identified anymore.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on July 12, 2018, 08:53:56 AM

I don't think a single merit requirement is of any significance, it's too easy to feed into an alt and bot network. I've mad a number of suggestions in the past, and some of them are.

- Newby thread starting restricted to an intro and an account recovery board. Newbies and juniors restricted to beginners and associated boards.
- Merits associated with posts deleted by a mod, or by the poster should be removed.
- No merits for trading, bounty, ICO or similar posts.

I think there were a load more, but that will do for the moment.

I think a single merit requirement would be quite good. It means that multiple bots can probably get detected by simply tracking their merit sources using Ddmrddmr s tools. Patterns would be easy to identify.

It might take some time but eventually their sources for merits will be exhausted and it will become more difficult for them.

https://fusiontables.google.com/DataSource?docid=1wM2Op6_ol8_0iP0sDEemIGr9weKvIeLPvKsKMpFy#chartnew:id=3

Perhaps something that some of the data gurus probably would love. Release the new account registrations data. This would allow pattern matching to bulk bot registrations.

provalentine

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Quote from: Shelby_Moore_III on July 16, 2018, 04:49:20 PM

Do you have a better idea for how to repair this clusterfucked bitcointalk.org insane asylum of anonymous trolls?

No, it seems to me that it is difficult or impossible at all... Thank you for the interesting information that you provided, I now study it with pleasure.

Shelby_Moore_III

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Quote from: provalentine on July 16, 2018, 04:33:57 PM

Dear friend, did you not forget why and for what purpose was the bitcoin created?

Did you forget? It was created to be the future world’s reserve currency controlled surreptitiously (with centralized anonymous mining) behind the curtain by the global elite who ostensibly created Bitcoin:

https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@anonymint/bitcoin-rises-because-land-is-becoming-worthless

https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@anonymint/re-anonymint-bitcoin-rises-because-land-is-becoming-worthless-20180519t120410615z

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.42147879

Also I’m not against anonymity, but until we have decentralized moderation as I explained it (click the link I provided in my prior post and read the entire thread), then Verified Identity is the only sane design I can imagine. Do you have a better idea for how to repair this clusterfucked bitcointalk.org insane asylum of anonymous trolls?

provalentine

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Quote from: Shelby_Moore_III on July 16, 2018, 02:47:53 PM

In addition to the suggested idea of requiring some Merit before ascending to non-Newbie status, I would also like to propose that this forum offer a Verified Identity badge for those who are willing to not be anonymous fucking trolls.

And then offer us a subforum for ourselves where only Verified Identity members can post!

I am so fucking tired of you anonymous trolls and that includes you @Foxpup.

If you’re not man enough to put your real life reputation at risk when you post your BS, then I am not interested to ~~talk with~~[be trolled incessantly by] you.

Dear friend, did you not forget why and for what purpose was the bitcoin created?

Shelby_Moore_III

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In addition to the suggested idea of requiring some Merit before ascending to non-Newbie status, I would also like to propose that this forum offer a Verified Identity badge for those who are willing to not be anonymous fucking trolls.

And then offer us a subforum for ourselves where only Verified Identity members can post and send merit!

I am so fucking tired of you anonymous trolls and that includes you @Foxpup.

If you’re not man enough to put your real life reputation at risk when you post your BS, then I am not interested to ~~talk with~~[be trolled incessantly by] you.

TheUltraElite

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So anyway, I applied as a merit source :)

Quote from: hilariousetc on July 16, 2018, 07:39:51 AM

Bounties are the least of ours concerns. At least the junk is confined to it's own board an nobody else outside if there has to see it. it's the stuff that spills out of the alt coin section like crapcoin campaigns that are the issue.

The so called "junk" comes from the junk mentality of shitposting paje**s (nevermind I had to say it.)

It does spill out - the best example is what happened to the meta section a few months back. Newbies were making threads every day about merit and spamming here trying to ass-lick merit sources. Since they are bottlenecked by merit their only chance to get merit is to start spamming here about it.

However I would like to know what you consider as crapcoin and what as "goodcoin" (LOL) - Because to me they are all shitcoins being begged by beggar shitposters.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on July 16, 2018, 07:39:51 AM

Bounties are the least of ours concerns. At least the junk is confined to it's own board an nobody else outside if there has to see it. it's the stuff that spills out of the alt coin section like crapcoin campaigns that are the issue.

Ummm... I don't totally agree with that. Since bounties are the very first motivation of many shitposters joining the forum, they soon get tired of receiving nothing but some cents and come in here and cry about their ranks, or try to cheat the system to earn more. Also, Recently we have seen cases like this one: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/edit-my-hacked-account-was-used-for-merit-abuse-by-this-user-bgpsq-4642710
This is a really clear merit abuse and, by doing so, all the accounts implied already have joined a signature.

Now, if you have some flies problem in your house, just don't leave the food on the table.

Lauda

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The forum is a cancerous cesspool of jr. members now; all praise the grand benefits of the merit system!

hilariousetc

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Quote from: seoincorporation on July 14, 2018, 12:33:38 PM

I don't think that guys like this one are rare. In fact, one of the most troubling information is how he manages to have 200 accounts

Bots. It's automatic posting so it takes little-to-no effort once they're set up. Most of the bumping services I've seen their posts are just complete generic garbage reworded slightly over their dozens-to-hundreds of accounts so they just load the bots up with whatever crap they can be bothered making and just set it to whatever intervals they want. The previous bots were just posting the same one liners over dozens of accounts and then removing them before they were re-posted.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on July 12, 2018, 09:20:13 AM

Quote from: seoincorporation on July 12, 2018, 09:04:27 AM

The issue also is that many bounties are accepting newbies, even brand new users, in their campaigns.

That's why you need to introduce posting restrictions, or to ban bounties.

I think the only way to get rid of the massive spam is banning bounties. On the one hand we will lose attractiveness for those spamming bots but on the other hand a lot of good (in terms of helpfulness, posting quality, ...) posters will be lost, too.

Bounties are the least of ours concerns. At least the junk is confined to it's own board an nobody else outside if there has to see it. it's the stuff that spills out of the alt coin section like crapcoin campaigns that are the issue.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on July 12, 2018, 09:20:13 AM

Quote from: seoincorporation on July 12, 2018, 09:04:27 AM

The issue also is that many bounties are accepting newbies, even brand new users, in their campaigns.

That's why you need to introduce posting restrictions, or to ban bounties.

I think the only way to get rid of the massive spam is banning bounties. On the one hand we will lose attractiveness for those spamming bots but on the other hand a lot of good (in terms of helpfulness, posting quality, ...) posters will be lost, too.

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Quote from: stompix on July 14, 2018, 01:35:55 PM

a) jr member level to require 3 merit ---- I'll implement it
b) newbies and jr members can't bump topic - Never
c) disable signatures for jr members - When hell freezes over
d) a 55-gallon drum of WD-40 when reaching 1000 merit ...theymos logged out

a) Ok fair enough
b) Ok for newbies in some sections like bounties and altcoin announcements
c) No need to disable it, it is one's back garden, a private property!

stompix

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Quote from: seoincorporation on July 14, 2018, 12:33:38 PM

I don't think that guys like this one are rare. In fact, one of the most troubling information is how he manages to have 200 accounts

To be honest, I think this is one of the small guys.

But the irony:
https://www.seoclerk.com/Traffic/611685/Bump-Up-Your-Bitcointalk-Thread

Quote from: seoincorporation on July 14, 2018, 12:33:38 PM

In addition, if newbies and Juniors CAN'T bump a thread, this guy "enterprise" will be pointless. Cool

This is probably the most requested feature lately and the only one that will really cut through the spam on the forum without any drawbacks.

But I would really love to hear theymos saying what he thinks about all the stuff that is proposed.
We know that newbie jail will not come back, that's a certain, so maybe if he would just tell us this will never get implemented or that he will give it a try it would stop this endless discussion on what should be done.

Maybe a highly trusted member or moderator from the forum could collect all the ideas that are spread over the meta section in a topic and with a bit of luck theymos will reply:

a) jr member level to require 3 merit ---- I'll implement it
b) newbies and jr members can't bump topic - Never
c) disable signatures for jr members - When hell freezes over
d) a 55-gallon drum of WD-40 when reaching 1000 merit ...theymos logged out

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After taking a look at the services offered on several internet websites, I do agree with the merit requirement for juniors will be a great step ahead against the spamming problem.
Take a look at this one, for example:

This guy is offering "bumping" services on your ann thread. In fact, it seems to be profitable for him, for he has managed to get some clients. If you pay attention to the description, the guy claims to have more than 200 JR Member accounts.
Now, if all those juniors accounts had needed 5 merits (or at least one) to become junior, then he will manage 200 Newbies accounts and be able to do the same.
So, maybe implementing a merit to become Newbie and 5 Merits to become Jr is the solution.
In addition, if newbies and Juniors CAN'T bump a thread, this guy "enterprise" will be pointless. Cool

I don't think that guys like this one are rare. In fact, one of the most troubling information is how he manages to have 200 accounts
The link to his "services" (he has many different offers):
- ICO marketing for $100: https://www.seoclerk.com/content-writing/602427/Cryptocurrency-ICO-marketing-on-Bitcointalk-and-other-crypto-forums
- Bump your thread for $100: https://www.seoclerk.com/Traffic/611685/Bump-Up-Your-Bitcointalk-Thread

So, do you think that by asking for merits to this kind of accounts will be a good solution?
To me, it is. It will be difficult for this guys to sell the services, I hope.

Osamede

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Having bots spamming almost every thread is undesirable and it will be nice to get rid of them.I think moderators are already a nice job getting rid of them.On the other hand,get merits these days seem very difficult and placing restriction will discourage a lot of persons,including me.

stompix

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Quote from: mdayonliner on July 14, 2018, 07:10:45 AM

Quote from: stompix on July 13, 2018, 07:59:27 AM

Topic spamming could be done with a system that once a topic hits 5 (or whatever in x time from the post date) reports it gets invisible for the normal users until a moderator takes action and either sends it to the garbage bin or reinstates it.

You are talking about more workloads for the mods. We need a solution which also does not require more works for the mods.

How is this more workload?
The moment a report is made a mod will have to read that report and either give it a green light or trash it, there is no extra work involved here.

My solution will just cut the time the topic is visible to other users if no mod is active as I've seen some of my reports being handled only after 24 hours during which a shit topic/post was gaining views.
And by hiding a stupid topic you also get rid of possible spam posts in it which would trigger more reporting.

Most of my reports are about stupid topics in Bitcoin Discussion where I try to cut the avalanche of ICOs and Telegram
channels spam as well "Belif Moisturizing Eye Bomb" ..... the last garbage posted and reported.

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Quote from: stompix on July 13, 2018, 07:59:27 AM

Topic spamming could be done with a system that once a topic hits 5 (or whatever in x time from the post date) reports it gets invisible for the normal users until a moderator takes action and either sends it to the garbage bin or reinstates it.

You are talking about more workloads for the mods. We need a solution which also does not require more works for the mods.

If you look around then it's pretty clear that (possibly) we do not have enough mods to control these spammers. It's the number battle in-between the spammers and the mods. And because of not having enough resources and numbers for the mods, unfortunately they are losing.

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