So, I just spent 6 hours doing some very accurate research and these are the results:
I manually calculated and doublechecked all my bets placed during the entire 11 months lifetime of my account and these are the numbers per month:
Dec 2021: -$7.947 over a total of 27 bets
Jan 2022: +$9.138 over a total of 120 bets
Feb 2022: +$3.491 over a total of 132 bets
Mar 2022: -$10.459 over a total of 24 bets
Apr 2022: -$12.284 over a total of 63 bets
May 2022: -$23.680 over a total of 111 bets
Jun 2022: -$43.582 over a total of 94 bets
Jul 2022: -$15.149 over a total of 73 bets
Aug 2022: -$1.826 over a total of 75 bets
Sep 2022: +$22.665 over a total of 57 bets
Oct 2022: -$3.668 over a total fo 42 bets
Nov 2022: +$42.039 over a total of 126 bets (this number has the cancelled bets still counted as wins)
So from these numbers we can draw the following conclusions:
- I started with a losing month, then 2 winning months so I was $4682 in the plus on March 1st. If I was a value bettor, why did Wintomato not at this point already cancel all my bets? They should have had enough evidence (not saying I am value betting, but they are) after 3 months and being in plus. If they would have voided all bets at that point, it would have saved me a lot of losses in the next months at least.
- Then, as you can see from 1st March until 31st August 6 losing months in a row, bringing my total account losses to a massive $102.298. How on earth can you lose so much for such a long period if you are doing value betting? This is statistically impossible.
- Then, in September finally a good month. Apparently they still accepted this, which is ofcourse logical if you see how much they earned from me already.
- Sadly this did not continue in October as I had another bad month, although not as bad as previous losing months
- And then in November I finally got on a really good run, which we can surely call a winning streak. Even though, with this good run included my account was still at an overall loss of $41.262. And then they decided it was already too much and confiscated roughly $29.000 from my account, bringing back the total losses to around $70.000
Then, lets's look at the 17 cancelled won bets from the screenshots in the opening post of this topic and what odds other sportsbooks were offering at those exact same times and scores in those games. Those are taken from betsapi.com where everyone (including Wintomato) can log in (even using Facebook without having to register) for free to check all live odds at certain times and game scores, which means it's very accurate and totally independent.
1) Chicago Bulls @ 2,52 versus Boston Celtics at score 15:10 at 2:23 AM CET on Nov 22:
At this exact same moment Bet365 had odds of 2,60 while Marathonbet and Cashpoint both had 2.50. As you can see the 2,52 of Wintomato is clearly not off.
2) Indiana Pacers @ 1,27 versus Orlando Magic at score 8:1 at 1:16 AM CET on Nov 22:
At this exact same moment Cashpoint had odds of 1,28 while Bet365 had 1,27. Again, the odds of Wintomato are not off.
3) Indiana Pacers @ 1,24 versus Orlando Magic at score 8:1 at 1:17 AM CET on Nov 22:
At this exact same moment Cashpoint had odds of 1,26 while Betsson had 1,23. Again, the odds of Wintomato were not off.
4) LA Lakers @ 1,18 versus San Antonio Spurs at score 34:20 at 4:05 AM CET on Nov 21:
At this exact same moment Cashpoint had odds of 1,20 while Unibet had 1,17. Once again, Wintomato odds were not out of line.
5) Denver Nuggets @ 2,74 versus Dallas Mavericks at score 40:32 at 2:21 AM CET on Nov 21:
At this exact same moment Bet365 had odds of 2,65 while Betsson had 2,55. Okay, for this game Wintomato had slightly higher odds than others, but clearly not far off enough to warrant a void.
6) Sacramento Kings @ 1,69 versus Detroit Pistons at score 117:118 at 2:16 AM CET on Nov 21:
At this exact same moment Betsson had odds of 1,74, while Bet365 had 1,63 and Unibet had 1,62. As you can see, the Wintomato odds were not out of line.
7) Indiana Pacers @ 3,70 versus Houston Rockets at score 23:40 at 2:52 AM CET on Nov 19:
At this exact same moment Betsson had odds of 4,15 while Bet365 had odds of 4,10. In hindsight you can even say I got pretty low odds from Wintomato here.
8 ) Washington Wizards @ 2,97 versus Miami Heat at score 57:69 at 2:06 AM CET on Nov 19:
At this exact same moment Cashpoint had odds of 3,25 while Marathonbet had 2,91 and Unibet 2,80. Again, Wintomato odds were not off from others.
9) LA Clippers @ 1,62 versus Detroit Pistons at score 15:23 at 5:10 AM CET on Nov 18:
At this exact same moment Cashpoint had odds of 1,70 while Unibet had 1,64. Yet again Wintomato was not even the best around.
10) NY Knicks @ 1,69 versus Denver Nuggets at score 66:60 at 5:31 AM CET on Nov 17:
At this exact same moment Bet365 had odds of 1,66. So yes, Wintomato was slightly the highest here, but not by such a margin that it should be void.
11) Toronto Raptors @ 2,52 versus Miami Heat at score 18:27 at 1:58 AM CET on Nov 17:
At this exact same moment both Betsson and Cashpoint had odds of 2.50. So totally comparable odds to Wintomato.
12) NY Knicks @ 1,58 versus Utah Jazz at score 94:89 at 4:57 AM CET on Nov 16:
At this exact same moment Bet365 had odds of 1,54, so Wintomato had slightly better odds but not clear enough to warrant a void.
13) Dallas Mavericks @ 1,55 versus LA Clippers at score 70:68 at 4:26 AM CET on Nov 16:
At this exact same moment Cashpoint had odds of 1,70 and Bet365 had 1,57. So again Wintomato not even the highest here.
14) Miami Heat @ 1,52 versus Phoenix Suns at score 109:107 at 3:45 AM CET on Nov 15:
At this exact same moment Cashpoint had odds of 1,70 while Bet365 had odds of 1,53. Yet again Wintomato not the highest.
15) Sacramento Kings @ 2,78 versus GS Warriors at score 80:78 at 4:35 AM CET on Nov 14:
At this exact same moment Cashpoint had odds of 2,90. So clearly the Wintomato odds were not too high.
16) Minnesota Timberwolves @ 1,21 versus Cleveland at score 40:20 at 0:38 AM CET on Nov 14:
At this exact same moment Betsson had odds of 1,16. So yes, we can say Wintomato was relatively high here. Personally I don't think such a difference warrants a void, but this odd comes closest to warrant a void of all games I have described here.
17) Oklahoma City Thunder @ 1,88 versus NY Knicks at score 94:88 at 19:36 PM CET on Nov 13:
At this exact same moment Unibet had odds of 1,85 while Betsson had 1,82. Yes, Wintomato was slightly higher but the margin is so small that it cannot warrant a void.
So, I think the picture is pretty clear: in a big minus overall, and on nearly each of the 17 void bets the odds of Wintomato were not even the best around. To confiscate a balance from an 11-month long loyal customer who finally had 1 really good month, is very very harsh.
Wintomato, if you read this be honest and simply admit you acted way too harsh. Go ahead and look at the betsapi.com website and see for yourself. If I am a value bettor then I am a really dumb one because I could have shopped around for better odds on almost every game. And if I was doing value betting it would statistically be impossible to have 6 big losing months in a row over such a large sample.
If this does not get solved then it will be big red flag for any potential new customer.