Topic: [RESOLVED] MagicByt3 - refusing to honor his auction contract (Read 946 times)

Thank you I have been talking with MJ escrow about a second sale where I will call upon the experience of MJ to conduct the next one thank you for your input and I'm sure in time we can put this behind us I'm sure everyone was happy with the silver and I learned the process here so next time round thing should be super smooth.

Magic

Your reputation isn’t completely ruined. If you came back for another auction, stating that you understand why your auction caused so much confusion, and that this time around it will be an auction using the same format as everyone else uses..that will go a long way.

Perhaps utilize MinerJones as your shipping arm.

Do this and I’d completely support you and so would many others.  Dont make that your first and last sale. After a successful auction or two this will all be forgotten about and behind you.

I'm here.

Thanks Techshare! 

I am glad you got the bar in good order and thank you to MJ Escrow for being the middle man.

And thank you to the community for your advice and help along the way @minerjones, @Lastofthev8's @Corrosive  and anyone else who gave advice.

Magic

Fantastic!
Where is magic? :-p

Bar received, it is as described. There were no further difficulties.

A sweet ending I would say?
I see Last of the V8s already got the parcel and things moved positive with TECSHARE too. I am pretty sure he will receive his parcel too. I have also seen frustration form magic that he will not sell here anymore but the frustration is no more which is a good thing.

Overall, everything was just okay and you both (TECSHARE and magic) just had some hard time to understand each others.

My bar came just now exactly as arranged, and this all seems to be working out. I'll post in Magic's thread shortly.

IMO the main source of the confusion is MagicByt3 was looking at the auction like a regular sale. In a normal sale, you are free to set whatever conditions you like pretty much at any point and the buyer can take a flying leap if they don't want to meet them and the seller doesn't want to accommodate.

In an auction, you are legally setting up an open offer to contract. When a buyer bids, it constitutes acceptance of the terms set forth in the auction listing (contract). At that point both the seller and bidder are bound by the terms.

This is why everyone was so adamant about you completing the exchange. To not do so would be a violation of that contract, and essentially documented evidence that you don't honor your agreements. This would essentially be reputation death here, as opposed to something which could potentially be something with legal consequences outside of the forum, or if larger values were at stake. Here are some details if anyone is interested.

https://contracts.uslegal.com/elements-of-a-contract/

There are additional regulations specific to the auction process, also a few things probably unique to the forum here. I know this sounds a bit like over kill, and people are unlikely to take any kind of legal action over auctions here for the most part, but these rules are the only way we can maintain any kind of order here regarding the auction process.

One of the most important things to do when conducting business with someone is to set clear expectations. As long as everyone is on the same page as to the specific terms of a transaction, you can set whatever condition you want.

I can say that I have never heard of any auction being held in a way such that bidders state the amount they want to increase the previously high bid, not here or any other auction transaction. The only exception to this is that some websites may offer bidders the ability to quickly create a bid based on the previous high bid, and an increment, however the new total bid will be displayed before the bid is placed. Some of your other requests are also not in line with how business is typically conducted in the forum.

If you wanted to set certain conditions on your auction that are different than how most auctions are handled, that would be totally fine, but only as long as the conditions are disclosed before you receive any offers (bids). Setting unusual conditions may cause some people to not want to bid on your auctions, or maybe your potential customers will be aware of your conditions and decide your conditions are not a bid deal.

I can certainly understand how someone might see some of your requests to not be unreasonable, so if you set some of these conditions in any future auction you hold, perhaps most people will accept your conditions.

I have traded with some people who had strange conditions on doing business before. I found some of the conditions strange, and honestly kinda annoying, but I was aware of them ahead of time, conducted the transaction successfully, and everyone involved was happy.

Apology accepted. No hard feelings. Will do, thanks.

Lesson has been learned and advice has been taken on board. 

And I am sorry for the inconvenience caused.

People make mistakes it's not how you get knocked down it's how you get back up that matters.

I hope we can overlook this as a learning process as a new seller here now I know much more about the way to conduct business here.

Please let me know when you get your bar.

Thanks

Magic

Yes, I have received tracking info. You did the right thing, eventually... but everything in between was pointless. I would be a lot more willing to give you credit for admitting your mistakes if you had done it of your own volition rather than after the forced pulling of teeth. I am not going to antagonize you. All I wanted was for you to learn something out of this whole fiasco, otherwise it would have eventually been some one else if it wasn't me.

Can you confirm I have sent you the tracking info Tecshare please?

I have accepted my mistake's and I have done what is being asked of me what else can I do?

I have alt accounts attacking me in my own topic I have had to lock it down.

Tecshare I have sent to the escrow at my cost and also my cost to reship.. again let's not keep things going here. people make mistakes I have accepted that I made one and Jimjam also has made a post about it to as far as I am concerned the matter is over I await reply's for tecshare and Last of the V8's.

I hope they enjoy there bars.

Sorry for being human and making a mistake.. I'm sure we've all done it at some point.

Magic

Techy, you will not get to decide who is honest or respectful until you show those traits yourself.  And what's decent to you may not be to me.

Not true at all. People who act with respect, honesty, and decency I try my best to reciprocate as much as I am able to. People who don't take responsibility for their mistakes, attack, or are dishonest, I will beat my skull against theirs until one of our skulls are caved in. Don't mistake lack of a dependence on conflict avoidance with being an asshole to everyone, because it is simply not true.

Avoiding conflict at all cost IMO is more harmful than seeing things through even if it pisses some people off, because it is the only way things are changed some times. Magicbyt3 simply was intent on having his tit for tat, inspite of my several efforts to deescalate. Hopefully he learned something and will continue participating in the community with a newfound recognition of the importance an agreement holds here. As a place that is heavily populated with pseudonymous people, really all anyone has here is their word, so it is more important here than most places.

@MagicByt3

If there's one lesson you should take away from this fiasco it's that zeros matter!  0.1, 0.01, and 0.001 are not the same thing.  When you use them interchangeably people get confused.  In one of your posts you seemed to leave out a zero, referring to one bid as "0.1."  I didn't see anyone bidding that high.  In another you seemed to suggest that jimjam123 bid "0.02."  Again, nothing in the thread or jimjam123's post history corroborates that statement.

Tecshare's frustration seemed to only exacerbate your tendency to make mistakes, which only further frustrated Tecshare.  In the future try to be more careful about what you write, and try to be very clear in your instructions.  Accepting bids of 0.002 while your starting price is 0.01 is quite confusing.  It seems that you were expecting people to understand that you interpret that as a total bid of 0.012.  That's not the way things are done, and only fueled the participants confusion.

my apologizes,  neutral it should have said.

anyway let's move on from this please guys the deal is done we await the buyer's review!

Thanks again for the advice both in PM's and via the topics.

Magic

You have not received any negative feedback.

Advice noted from all and I do appreciate the people who stuck up for me and saw things from my side not just one sided.

I did take advice and I have done what was asked not much else to say on the matter I hope the buyers like there bars.

Even thought I am proving I am trust worthy I don't see the community being so understanding over the matter.

I half expect more negative rating from "friends" like I have been getting already.

Magic

Most people were super helpful to you in the auction thread, trying to explain to you how your terms can be misinterpreted and how you could conclude the auction amicably, but unfortunately you ignored most of that advice. TECSHARE is an asshole to everyone so don't take it personally, and in this case he had every right to be like that, seeing how your behavior did not inspire trust.

You can't really expect to impose your own rules when you start business in a new place. For example on ebay you'd probably have the funds on hold for 21 days for the initial trades on a new account, and if you dragged your feet with shipping you'd probably have a negative rating already. No hand-holding and personalized advice for sure.

Here at least mistakes can be excused if you make an effort to learn from them.