[RESOLVED] MagicByt3 - refusing to honor his auction contract - page 3.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on February 22, 2020, 09:05:06 PM

Quote from: DaCryptoRaccoon on February 22, 2020, 09:01:00 PM

Quote from: kryme on February 22, 2020, 08:59:29 PM

Are there rules I can read about these contracts and bids on the forum? I'd like to know where it says a seller can't cancel someone else's bid?

No there are no "official" rules other than the rules he and his other silver seller buddy's try impose on a new seller.

Yes, there are. It is called contract law. Auctions also have their own set of legal obligations. This is the case on and off of the forum. This is not some magical place where laws cease to exist.

Quote from: DaCryptoRaccoon on February 22, 2020, 08:51:04 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on February 22, 2020, 08:45:15 PM

Quote from: DaCryptoRaccoon on February 22, 2020, 08:33:52 PM

Right now I have to take YOUR word that you send funds to some escrow I have had NO dealing with in the past.
No way to prove there was any transaction so I won't be sending out my product without being able to verify the payment.

No one would do this no one..

What are you talking about... many have used minerjones escrow, he's one of the most trusted here. You already agreed to use him as escrow. If this deal goes through, at one point he'd be holding BOTH the item and the funds so you have to trust him regardless of any TXIDs. Just drop this nonsense and ship it. No need to waste everyone's time on something so trivial.

Sent to MJ escrow... I await a reply.

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Hello MJ.

What is you shipping address so I can have the bar send out on Monday.

It will require a signature on delivery to you.

I only wanted verification that escrow was holding payment nothing more.

You have been given good rep by a lot of people but I have had no dealing with you so I hope you can understand my concerns over being able to validate the payment to you..

Can you send me where the bar is to be shipped to and on Monday I will provide you with tracking and proof of postage.

Best regards

Magic..

Wonderful. Thank you.

You're literally an idiot if you think posting on a forum holds you to any legal obligation lmfao

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Quote from: TECSHARE on February 22, 2020, 09:05:06 PM

Quote from: DaCryptoRaccoon on February 22, 2020, 09:01:00 PM

Quote from: kryme on February 22, 2020, 08:59:29 PM

Are there rules I can read about these contracts and bids on the forum? I'd like to know where it says a seller can't cancel someone else's bid?

No there are no "official" rules other than the rules he and his other silver seller buddy's try impose on a new seller.

Yes, there are. It is called contract law. Auctions also have their own set of legal obligations. This is the case on and off of the forum. This is not some magical place where laws cease to exist.

Quote from: DaCryptoRaccoon on February 22, 2020, 08:51:04 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on February 22, 2020, 08:45:15 PM

Quote from: DaCryptoRaccoon on February 22, 2020, 08:33:52 PM

Right now I have to take YOUR word that you send funds to some escrow I have had NO dealing with in the past.
No way to prove there was any transaction so I won't be sending out my product without being able to verify the payment.

No one would do this no one..

What are you talking about... many have used minerjones escrow, he's one of the most trusted here. You already agreed to use him as escrow. If this deal goes through, at one point he'd be holding BOTH the item and the funds so you have to trust him regardless of any TXIDs. Just drop this nonsense and ship it. No need to waste everyone's time on something so trivial.

Sent to MJ escrow... I await a reply.

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Hello MJ.

What is you shipping address so I can have the bar send out on Monday.

It will require a signature on delivery to you.

I only wanted verification that escrow was holding payment nothing more.

You have been given good rep by a lot of people but I have had no dealing with you so I hope you can understand my concerns over being able to validate the payment to you..

Can you send me where the bar is to be shipped to and on Monday I will provide you with tracking and proof of postage.

Best regards

Magic..

Wonderful. Thank you.

Let's just resolve this ASAP...I'm about done with the whole community at this point..

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Quote from: DaCryptoRaccoon on February 22, 2020, 09:01:00 PM

Quote from: kryme on February 22, 2020, 08:59:29 PM

Are there rules I can read about these contracts and bids on the forum? I'd like to know where it says a seller can't cancel someone else's bid?

No there are no "official" rules other than the rules he and his other silver seller buddy's try impose on a new seller.

Yes, there are. It is called contract law. Auctions also have their own set of legal obligations. This is the case on and off of the forum. This is not some magical place where laws cease to exist.

Quote from: DaCryptoRaccoon on February 22, 2020, 08:51:04 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on February 22, 2020, 08:45:15 PM

Quote from: DaCryptoRaccoon on February 22, 2020, 08:33:52 PM

Right now I have to take YOUR word that you send funds to some escrow I have had NO dealing with in the past.
No way to prove there was any transaction so I won't be sending out my product without being able to verify the payment.

No one would do this no one..

What are you talking about... many have used minerjones escrow, he's one of the most trusted here. You already agreed to use him as escrow. If this deal goes through, at one point he'd be holding BOTH the item and the funds so you have to trust him regardless of any TXIDs. Just drop this nonsense and ship it. No need to waste everyone's time on something so trivial.

Sent to MJ escrow... I await a reply.

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Hello MJ.

What is you shipping address so I can have the bar send out on Monday.

It will require a signature on delivery to you.

I only wanted verification that escrow was holding payment nothing more.

You have been given good rep by a lot of people but I have had no dealing with you so I hope you can understand my concerns over being able to validate the payment to you..

Can you send me where the bar is to be shipped to and on Monday I will provide you with tracking and proof of postage.

Best regards

Magic..

Wonderful. Thank you.

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Quote from: kryme on February 22, 2020, 08:59:29 PM

Are there rules I can read about these contracts and bids on the forum? I'd like to know where it says a seller can't cancel someone else's bid?

No there are no "official" rules other than the rules he and his other silver seller buddy's try impose on a new seller.

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Are there rules I can read about these contracts and bids on the forum? I'd like to know where it says a seller can't cancel someone else's bid?

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Quote from: TECSHARE on February 22, 2020, 04:15:09 PM

4. Posted several of my PMs without permission.

So? Hypocrite.

Very...

He is good at manipulating situations with his rep from what I see too Vod.

I have sent a message to the escrow lets leave this here until I get a reply and I aim to have the bar out on Monday to the escrow.

What a horrible experience this has been It will be the last time I try do anything for this community again.

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Quote from: suchmoon on February 22, 2020, 08:45:15 PM

Quote from: DaCryptoRaccoon on February 22, 2020, 08:33:52 PM

Right now I have to take YOUR word that you send funds to some escrow I have had NO dealing with in the past.
No way to prove there was any transaction so I won't be sending out my product without being able to verify the payment.

No one would do this no one..

What are you talking about... many have used minerjones escrow, he's one of the most trusted here. You already agreed to use him as escrow. If this deal goes through, at one point he'd be holding BOTH the item and the funds so you have to trust him regardless of any TXIDs. Just drop this nonsense and ship it. No need to waste everyone's time on something so trivial.

Sent to MJ escrow... I await a reply.

Quote

Hello MJ.

What is you shipping address so I can have the bar send out on Monday.

It will require a signature on delivery to you.

I only wanted verification that escrow was holding payment nothing more.

You have been given good rep by a lot of people but I have had no dealing with you so I hope you can understand my concerns over being able to validate the payment to you..

Can you send me where the bar is to be shipped to and on Monday I will provide you with tracking and proof of postage.

Best regards

Magic..

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Quote from: DaCryptoRaccoon on February 22, 2020, 08:33:52 PM

Right now I have to take YOUR word that you send funds to some escrow I have had NO dealing with in the past.
No way to prove there was any transaction so I won't be sending out my product without being able to verify the payment.

No one would do this no one..

What are you talking about... many have used minerjones escrow, he's one of the most trusted here. You already agreed to use him as escrow. If this deal goes through, at one point he'd be holding BOTH the item and the funds so you have to trust him regardless of any TXIDs. Just drop this nonsense and ship it. No need to waste everyone's time on something so trivial.

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Quote from: DaCryptoRaccoon on February 22, 2020, 08:33:52 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on February 22, 2020, 08:29:36 PM

Quote from: DaCryptoRaccoon on February 22, 2020, 08:28:06 PM

I don't want to back out at all. I have said I am happy to ship to MJ escrow but why did the other all supply TXID's for there escrow but these 2 won't

I also direct you to this post.. where another user agrees with me over the escrow not being correct.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53886116

Your demands are noted and rejected. Honor your contractual agreement.

Your demands are noted and also rejected along with you bid..

No way to verify no sale simple..

The whole point of the escrow is to protect the BUYER & SELLER..

Right now I have to take YOUR word that you send funds to some escrow I have had NO dealing with in the past.
No way to prove there was any transaction so I won't be sending out my product without being able to verify the payment.

No one would do this no one..

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how auctions and contracts work. You don't get to unilaterally dismiss my bid after the fact. You are absolutely protected, by the most trusted member of the forum serving as escrow. Your claims of not being protected are fallacious. Honor your contractual agreement.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on February 22, 2020, 08:29:36 PM

Quote from: DaCryptoRaccoon on February 22, 2020, 08:28:06 PM

I don't want to back out at all. I have said I am happy to ship to MJ escrow but why did the other all supply TXID's for there escrow but these 2 won't

I also direct you to this post.. where another user agrees with me over the escrow not being correct.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53886116

Your demands are noted and rejected. Honor your contractual agreement.

Your demands are noted and also rejected along with you bid..

No way to verify no sale simple..

The whole point of the escrow is to protect the BUYER & SELLER..

Right now I have to take YOUR word that you send funds to some escrow I have had NO dealing with in the past.
No way to prove there was any transaction so I won't be sending out my product without being able to verify the payment.

No one would do this no one..

TECSHARE

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Quote from: DaCryptoRaccoon on February 22, 2020, 08:28:06 PM

I don't want to back out at all. I have said I am happy to ship to MJ escrow but why did the other all supply TXID's for there escrow but these 2 won't

I also direct you to this post.. where another user agrees with me over the escrow not being correct.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53886116

Your demands are noted and rejected. Honor your contractual agreement.

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Quote from: suchmoon on February 22, 2020, 08:25:10 PM

Quote from: DaCryptoRaccoon on February 22, 2020, 07:56:39 PM

And I WON'T be held over the fire by you and your friends tecshare.

I'm not TECSHARE's friend by any means but it looks to me (as it did to pretty much everyone in your own auction thread) that you're the one stoking the fire.

Your auction format was ludicrous. At one point you seemed to recognize that but now you're trying to justify it again. Let it go. TECSHARE's bid was the only bid on that item anyway, so the format dispute doesn't even matter. He won the item, he paid, ship it. How much simpler can it possibly be? He even agreed to your condition of having the item shipped via escrow. The TXID doesn't matter. The escrow guarantees the payment.

On the other hand, if you want to back out of this deal then just say so, stop clinging to the TXID demand, let MJ return funds to TECSHARE, and get your deserved flag. You'll get it anyway if you don't ship - it's just a matter of time.

I don't want to back out at all. I have said I am happy to ship to MJ escrow but why did the other all supply TXID's for there escrow but these 2 won't

I also direct you to this post.. where another user agrees with me over the escrow not being correct.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53886116

TECSHARE

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Quote from: suchmoon on February 22, 2020, 08:25:10 PM

Quote from: DaCryptoRaccoon on February 22, 2020, 07:56:39 PM

And I WON'T be held over the fire by you and your friends tecshare.

I'm not TECSHARE's friend by any means but it looks to me (as it did to pretty much everyone in your own auction thread) that you're the one stoking the fire.

Your auction format was ludicrous. At one point you seemed to recognize that but now you're trying to justify it again. Let it go. TECSHARE's bid was the only bid on that item anyway, so the format dispute doesn't even matter. He won the item, he paid, ship it. How much simpler can it possibly be? He even agreed to your condition of having the item shipped via escrow. The TXID doesn't matter. The escrow guarantees the payment.

On the other hand, if you want to back out of this deal then just say so, stop clinging to the TXID demand, let MJ return funds to TECSHARE, and get your deserved flag. You'll get it anyway if you don't ship - it's just a matter of time.

Minerjones isn't holding my funds against my will. He will release it at my request, as he should because the seller has not met his obligations. I don't want my funds back though, I want the seller to honor his agreement. Magicbyt3 is literally just arguing with himself about nothing and is the only thing holding up this transaction.

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Quote from: DaCryptoRaccoon on February 22, 2020, 07:56:39 PM

And I WON'T be held over the fire by you and your friends tecshare.

I'm not TECSHARE's friend by any means but it looks to me (as it did to pretty much everyone in your own auction thread) that you're the one stoking the fire.

Your auction format was ludicrous. At one point you seemed to recognize that but now you're trying to justify it again. Let it go. TECSHARE's bid was the only bid on that item anyway, so the format dispute doesn't even matter. He won the item, he paid, ship it. How much simpler can it possibly be? He even agreed to your condition of having the item shipped via escrow. The TXID doesn't matter. The escrow guarantees the payment.

On the other hand, if you want to back out of this deal then just say so, stop clinging to the TXID demand, let MJ return funds to TECSHARE, and get your deserved flag. You'll get it anyway if you don't ship - it's just a matter of time.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on February 22, 2020, 08:14:39 PM

Quote from: kryme on February 22, 2020, 08:13:27 PM

OP stated signed delivery was required and Techsare refused am I missing anything else?

You again... -_-

Yeah, you are missing the part where I agreed he could ship to Minerjones with all the signatures he wanted.

And you missing about 100 point that have been made to you tecshare..

FOR THE 10TH TIME..

I am happy to use escrow I already did with the other 2 bars..

What i'm not happy about is the fact the escrow and you won't provide proof of payment so I am in no mans land..

Prove payment and ill ship to MJ for the 10th time...

Don't trust.. Verify. Simple

GoodNight..

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Quote from: DaCryptoRaccoon on February 22, 2020, 08:17:32 PM

You can post what ever you want techshare your the one being unreasonable here..

Can you show me where it says I even accept escrow on my sale?
Can you show me where it says I will SHIP WITHOUT SIGNATURE.

You sir... are the one who changed the terms to YOUR own.

I'm not playing your stupid games tecshare you everyone else has there bars already but your trying your hardest to change the terms to suit you..

If you don't trust me don't deal with me simple.

I have given you a inch and you tried to take a mile with your demands.

You can post all you want about "contractual" agreement but you sir changed it to suit your own needs.

I don't play games and won't be replying to this topic any longer..

My position is clear if I am unable to verify a payment to the escrow I won't ship..

Your call..

Goodnight.

Why would I trust you without using an escrow after the way you conducted your clusterfuck of an auction? Asking for an escrow is not at all unreasonable. Your demands to have transaction information is in fact unreasonable. I have met every inch of my contractual obligations under your auction terms. You already agreed to use Minerjones as an escrow at your expense. I already agreed to you shipping to him meeting your terms for signature requirements. Transaction information was never part of the contract and this is a frivolous demand you are using as pretext to violate your contractual agreement with me under the auction terms. It is unfortunate you are too short sighted to see this is not going to work out well for you at all.

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You can post what ever you want techshare your the one being unreasonable here..

Can you show me where it says I even accept escrow on my sale?
Can you show me where it says I will SHIP WITHOUT SIGNATURE.

You sir... are the one who changed the terms to YOUR own.

I'm not playing your stupid games tecshare you everyone else has there bars already but your trying your hardest to change the terms to suit you..

If you don't trust me don't deal with me simple.

I have given you a inch and you tried to take a mile with your demands.

You can post all you want about "contractual" agreement but you sir changed it to suit your own needs.

I don't play games and won't be replying to this topic any longer..

My position is clear if I am unable to verify a payment to the escrow I won't ship..

Your call..

Goodnight.

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Quote from: kryme on February 22, 2020, 08:13:27 PM

OP stated signed delivery was required and Techsare refused am I missing anything else?

You again... -_-

Yeah, you are missing the part where I agreed he could ship to Minerjones with all the signatures he wanted.

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OP stated signed delivery was required and Techsare refused am I missing anything else?

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Quote from: DaCryptoRaccoon on February 22, 2020, 08:07:36 PM

Tecshare if your escrow will prove payment I will ship I have said this 10+ times..

I WON'T SHIP WITHOUT PROOF ESCROW HAS BEEN PAID..

Is that really difficult? or unfair in any light?

Your bar could have been out the other day with the other but your the one holding this back not me...
Your trying my patience to the max with this and I could just refuse if I don't feel comfortable with the situation that my choice.

Escrow proves funds are there and I ship..
Escrow fails to prove funds the deal is off.

Ball is in your court..

Take it or leave it..

No. Honor your contractual agreement.

Quote from: DaCryptoRaccoon on February 22, 2020, 08:04:55 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on February 22, 2020, 06:16:40 PM

I read the thread and I'm still not following why he's refusing to ship (I mean not the made-up excuse of needing your TXID or whatever but the real reason). Your bid was the least controversial of the three, there is no doubt you won. He didn't want escrow, but then agreed to it. He didn't want to ship directly, but then you agreed with shipping to escrow. Seems like a decent compromise.

Is the price too low for him, or is he pissed at you for arguing with him? Not that it matters, he's clearly in the wrong, I'm just curious why he keeps digging his hole.

I asked for proof a payment to the escrow his bar would have been out by now but he kept going on about it's my privacy ect.
He also wanted me to ship outside the terms of the sale where I require a signature on delivery he didn't want this.

I also don't see how the situation is escrow.

If I ship Tecshare the bar Directly! and MJ is "supposed" to be holing the funds and I ship WITHOUT signature on delivery how and I protected?
What proof have I got that the bar made it there? None..

He only agreed to the escrow being an actual middle man when I said I was not happy shipping without signature.

Every turn he's changed the terms I didn't even offer the sale with escrow and now it's at my cost..

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53886116

If anyone thinks it's unfair for me to be furnished with proof of payment then we cannot deal it's that simple.

Without proof it's like I am sending out my good BLIND to some escrow I have had no dealing with EVER.

Not fair on the seller..

All you care about is what serves you. None of your behavior is fair to the buyer. Exchanges go two ways, not one way where you dictate all of the terms after the fact. Auctions have rules, rules which you clearly violated and refuse to admit to.

Quote from: DaCryptoRaccoon on February 21, 2020, 05:01:51 PM

3. Your first DM to me was you telling me you wanted to use MJ as escrow but escrow is where the agent holds BOTH goods. I also said I would cover the cost if there was any for this.

Who is changing the terms? Looks like you.

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