And MtGox, instead of closing this as CLOSED/RESOLVED, should fix the address at https://mtgox.com/forms/verification asap before someone else sends his private AML information there.
Topic: [Resolved] MtGox mishandled sensitive AML info. - page 5. (Read 14603 times)
yes, i think Gox should pay D&T's expenses for this.
So, Japanese Postal Service doesn't forward mail when one moves?
Seems legit
Seems legit
Charlie,
Instead of sticking up for your buddy at Mt Gox maybe you could message them and give them a lesson customer relations, which you and your team seem to do so well (seriously) in responding publicly to customer issues.
I find it surprising that you've now responded several time to this thread and we have yet to hear from Mt. Gox.
Is is a slow days at the office?
Are you responding in an official capacity as a member of the Bitcoin Foundation.
Just curious.
Instead of sticking up for your buddy at Mt Gox maybe you could message them and give them a lesson customer relations, which you and your team seem to do so well (seriously) in responding publicly to customer issues.
I find it surprising that you've now responded several time to this thread and we have yet to hear from Mt. Gox.
Is is a slow days at the office?
Are you responding in an official capacity as a member of the Bitcoin Foundation.
Just curious.
I can see how this can be very frustrating. Including the tone in the correspondence. On the other hand, it's an honest mistake. It happens. I hope you will soon come back here and tell us that Gox have corrected the problem by reimbursing you for the shipping expenses. Gox, make this right!
They obviously have no logical structure and yet again prove how incompetent they really are.
Thats a bold statement to make, happy to hear your understanding and how you came to this conclusion of 'no logical structure.'
-Charlie
Disclosure: I'm in a bad mood today
100% Agreed.
I'm sure MtGox will see this, realize the error, fix it, and contact OP to resolve it.
However I agree with you, as Bitcoin companies get bigger, the level of standard gets higher.
They obviously have no logical structure and yet again prove how incompetent they really are.
Thats a bold statement to make, happy to hear your understanding and how you came to this conclusion of 'no logical structure.'
-Charlie
Mtgox is not a one man band small time exchange anymore, while I'm sure they have protocols and procedures for doing many of the things they do day to day, its unacceptable that they have been so incompetent to let a user send his identity to a potentially malicious recipient through no fault of his own.
Disclosure: I'm in a bad mood today
Right, so I can get 100000 EUR worth of BTC @ 10% below market price?
Seems legit!
LOL. you compare this with mtgox? ROFL.
try it, then you see whether its just a teaser or reality.
I agree. I think you missed my sarcasm there :-)
Doh!
I remember something about they moving at FB, http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.315958005155280.72002.116777141740035&type=1
Unnecessary indeed, maybe it could be tracked and rerouted ?
I remember something about they moving at FB, http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.315958005155280.72002.116777141740035&type=1
Unnecessary indeed, maybe it could be tracked and rerouted ?
Also, the AML rules are not their own, they have to follow the standard of both Japan and the USA (Japan being much more strict) but it allows them to stay operationally legal in both jurisdictions.
+1
Right, so I can get 100000 EUR worth of BTC @ 10% below market price?
Seems legit!
LOL. you compare this with mtgox? ROFL.
try it, then you see whether its just a teaser or reality.
at mtgox you get the best price at the highest solvency. thats a fact.
No, it is gross incompetence, dealing with something that sensitive should not happen pure and simple.
Agreed. I'm not defending them. Just saying, shit happens. We are not perfect.
We should be judging them based on how they handle this situation going forward and prevent it from happening again.
If it does, then its gross incompetence.
They obviously have no logical structure and yet again prove how incompetent they really are.
Thats a bold statement to make, happy to hear your understanding and how you came to this conclusion of 'no logical structure.'
-Charlie
I am beyond furious right now.
They just moved to a new office like 2 weeks ago, and probably forgot to update the address on that page of their website.
Although its their fault, I wouldn't be too pissed off because its an easy mistake to overlook and can happen to anyone.
Calling it gross incompetence may be out of line. While your information is extremely sensitive, even you could have made the same mistake if you were in their position.
To rectify the situation, I suggest MtGox pay for the shipping costs all 3 times. If I were in your shoes, that would make me happy.
Also, the AML rules are not their own, they have to follow the standard of both Japan and the USA (Japan being much more strict) but it allows them to stay operationally legal in both jurisdictions.
go with www.localbitcoins.com and forget this hassle
This is a great site, but serves a much different purpose then MtGox.
OP probably wants to buy high amounts of coin, at the best price, fairly quickly and without leaving his chair.
go with www.localbitcoins.com and forget this hassle
steelx01 xx.x km 8.43 EUR 5000 - 100000 EUR
Right, so I can get 100000 EUR worth of BTC @ 10% below market price?
Seems legit!
I am beyond furious right now.
They just moved to a new office like 2 weeks ago, and probably forgot to update the address on that page of their website.
Although its their fault, I wouldn't be too pissed off because its an easy mistake to overlook and can happen to anyone.
Calling it gross incompetence may be out of line. While your information is extremely sensitive, even you could have made the same mistake if you were in their position.
To rectify the situation, I suggest MtGox pay for the shipping costs all 3 times. If I were in your shoes, that would make me happy.
Also, the AML rules are not their own, they have to follow the standard of both Japan and the USA (Japan being much more strict) but it allows them to stay operationally legal in both jurisdictions.
EDIT:
There have been numerous claims that BitInstant is defending MtGox on this issue. This is not the case. What happend here is totally unacceptable and I've even said I think MtGox should pay financially to this customer for the problems.
At the same time, as of now, I am the only one who got in touch with MtGox on behalf of the OP and told them that I believe this is unacceptable.
BitInstant defends the right of every Bitcoiner, regardless if they are a customer of ours or not.
I apologize of my original comment was not clear enough
go with www.localbitcoins.com and forget this hassle
This is a great site, but serves a much different purpose then MtGox.
OP probably wants to buy high amounts of coin, at the best price, fairly quickly and without leaving his chair.
go with www.localbitcoins.com and forget this hassle
Not to mention they spelled inquiries wrong! Sheesh!
For those who may not be aware MtGox level 3 verification requires a notarized and apostled copy of a government issued ID. In the US the only entity that can attach an apostle seal is the state government (usually the secretary of the state personally) and thus there is a single office for an entire state.
So the process is:
MtGox website currently reports this is the address for AML documents:
https://mtgox.com/forms/verification
So I have spent over a $100 and almost two weeks getting this stupid apostled document to them. Thankfully my AML limit will be raised. Lets check USPS this morning. Hopefully the end of a very long, pointless, and expensive process.
USPS reports:
That doesn't look good. My money eating, time wasting docs with sensitive information are taking a joy ride through Tokyo. Let me check with MtGox support; I am sure they have a good reason.
I am beyond furious right now.
On edit: 12 hours later ... yup wrong info still on the site.
Update: MtGox customer support reports documents have been transferred to the new office.
So the process is:
- Make a photocopy of your government ID (MtGox prohibits blacking out or redacting any info).
- Get it notarized locally.
- Mail it to the state capital.
- Wait a week.
- Have the state mail it back (at your expense).
- Then mail it internationally to Japan.
MtGox website currently reports this is the address for AML documents:
https://mtgox.com/forms/verification
Quote
Mt.Gox AML
Cerulean Tower 15F,
Sakuragaoka-cho 26-1, Shibuya-ku
Tokyo, Japan
150-8512
Cerulean Tower 15F,
Sakuragaoka-cho 26-1, Shibuya-ku
Tokyo, Japan
150-8512
So I have spent over a $100 and almost two weeks getting this stupid apostled document to them. Thankfully my AML limit will be raised. Lets check USPS this morning. Hopefully the end of a very long, pointless, and expensive process.
USPS reports:
Quote
, , US 10/17/2012 2:57 PM ATTEMPTED DELIVERY ABROAD
, , US 10/17/2012 2:49 PM ATTEMPTED DELIVERY ABROAD
, , US 10/17/2012 2:49 PM ATTEMPTED DELIVERY ABROAD
That doesn't look good. My money eating, time wasting docs with sensitive information are taking a joy ride through Tokyo. Let me check with MtGox support; I am sure they have a good reason.Quote
Hi,
Thank was our old address and I have mentioned below the address to send AML Notarized document's. Please send the documents again to below mentioned address.
Mt.Gox AML
Round Cross Shibuya 5F
11-6 Shibuya 2-Chome, Shibuya-ku
Tokyo, Japan
150-0002
If you have any further enquiries, please do not hesitate to contact Mt.Gox Support either by responding to this email (should the enquiry relate to this ticket) or by using the following support request form:
https://mtgox.zendesk.com/entries/20256702-contact-us.
Thanks,
MtGox.com Team
TICKET MARKED CLOSED/RESOLVED.
Thank was our old address and I have mentioned below the address to send AML Notarized document's. Please send the documents again to below mentioned address.
Mt.Gox AML
Round Cross Shibuya 5F
11-6 Shibuya 2-Chome, Shibuya-ku
Tokyo, Japan
150-0002
If you have any further enquiries, please do not hesitate to contact Mt.Gox Support either by responding to this email (should the enquiry relate to this ticket) or by using the following support request form:
https://mtgox.zendesk.com/entries/20256702-contact-us.
Thanks,
MtGox.com Team
TICKET MARKED CLOSED/RESOLVED.
I am beyond furious right now.
On edit: 12 hours later ... yup wrong info still on the site.
Update: MtGox customer support reports documents have been transferred to the new office.
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