Topic: Response to Icopress (Read 971 times)

Not really. I mean I come around but not for what you seem to expect. Just to reiterate for the umpteenth time that I never contacted any of your clients, even though one of your clients told you that I did, which at least to this day I know you at least doubt.

For the rest, I'm tired of this shit. So I'll leave you and icopress to argue if you want. Just to say that Hhampuz's answer seems to me to be extremely reasonable.

Not that anyone asked for my opinion on the matter but I'll share it anyways since I'm just waiting for the Game Awards to go live.

Please note, I have no dog in this fight and generally I do not care what you do or don't do in regards to managing campaigns, promotions or how you conduct yourself as a regular forum user.

Either way, to the point. Any manager or otherwise who would reach out to a brand that you know someone else is managing a campaign or promotion for is disrespectful and disingenuous. If you were to just reach out to the respective manager and see if they had thought about it or what the plans are that's one thing but to go over their head directly to the client is no bueno. If it were a campaign I managed a year ago and they've had no presence here since I would not care at all, that's free game as I do not "own" that brand/service but if you do it while you know that I'm actively dealing with them I can only see it as a poor attempt at trying to poach others clients, even if it would be for something outside of bitcointalk. It's just not nice, and it only opens you up to being attacked and I can assure you it's not worth the hit to your reputation to try and pocket a few more satoshi.

I won't claim to know what the reason was behind the messages Royse sent or what icopress did or didn't do but that's at least my stance on it. I would never badmouth another manager (unless they're just bad), in fact I have been in contact with many brands and services who wanted to do marketing here but if I didn't feel that it was a right fit I'd recommend others and even if they say they're also in contact with other managers I'll just thank them for their time and let them know there's no wrong choice. All I'll ever ask of other managers is that they show the same respect to their colleagues and competitors, that and to have some self respect for the "craft". Too many times potential clients have told me they found someone else who offers to do the same job for $20/week which just isn't good enough.

Meh, time for the Game Awards now, take it easy and enough with these stupid fights over non-issues.

The two different scenarios I was talking about were (1) Poker Player (allegedly) and/or airfinex contacting your clients and (2) you contacting icopress' clients. I re-read my posts and I don't see any mention of icopress talking to your clients so I don't know where you got that from.

If you think that (1) was unethical, then you should also apply the same standard to yourself and not do (2), or at least admit that what you did was also unethical instead of starting this fallacious counterattack.

As for icopress discussing something with your clients, his post didn't make it clear if he messaged them first, and in the end he decided against it, so I don't think this compares. If anything, it shows that icopress has more consistency in his words/actions.


Even more of a reason to lock the topic and do this via PM. Why start a public thread and then ask to ignore it.

Edit: grammar.

Guys, please don't fight, I take everything I said back, all of you guys are the best, no need to fight all the time, name calling each other. Try to spread peace and be good to each other. This shit is out of my hand, I can't talk about higher ups apparently.(go figure) Be good and nice. And forget about reputation etc. I also deleted my posts here. Good luck.

1. I think icopress doesn’t care about this thread because he is busy with more important things, since as far as I know his house burned down. Therefore, I believe that the only thing that worries him is work to compensate for this loss with money. And the fact that you write to his clients is a shame for you.

2. One of his campaign participants died tonight, so I think this is another reason why he should not care about your arrogant publications. He should probably be busy with this.

I would like to highlight the following:


The fact that @Icopress gave @Royse777 a merit in this topic shows that he approved the opening of it, and perhaps even had a better understanding of what happened.

In Portugal we sometimes say: "everyone has glass roofs". What this means? It means that we all have pointing fingers, and less positive aspects. I think all not that was needed at this moment in the forum would be for two good campaign managers to get into a disagreement.

Therefore, I hope that both can understand each other, and that they maintain a good business relationship, even if they are competitors. If all campaign managers remain united professionally, the entire forum can benefit from good campaigns.

Come on guys, sort it out. And if you want to come to neutral ground, come to Portugal, and I'll buy you lunch - so everything can be sorted out.  
^{The annoying thing is that I'm bad at English... but the translators help.}

This concerns me, the hint of blackmail/extortion.  You know someone is doing something wrong, and you keep quiet because it benefits you, then you threaten to expose it if the benefits stop?   

OMG what I did so bad!
I did not take it as unethical that he contacted my clients with his offer of sponsorship.

But what airfinex did was unethical and it's not the topic today.
I am just trying to understand if you got a clear understanding in your mind about the persons.

That's not going to solve the problem that rose. I will wait for Icopress to exchange our words. Everyone else can just ignore the topic please.

You did not think it was unethical for someone to message your clients with the warning about you? That's news to me.

Or you're just trolling me now, which makes this thread a big joke. Lock it and move on would be my advice but I know you won't listen.

I'm sorry to prove you wrong (again) ^{[1], [2]}, but that's precisely what a false accusation means:


Well, it's not like it's a surprise for you to bail from a discussion when your errors are exposed – a routine you've mastered on multiple occasions. Consistency, I'll give you that. It's a shame that you don't apply the same level of consistency in your other decisions.



I don't care about being on his "list." For those who prefer a bubble of like-mindedness, feel free to ignore me. I will speak my mind regardless. However, it looks like the list isn't complete; in fact, it seems to be expanding steadily.

Please tell me it to PM

Oh, how so?


Again, not sure what you mean when you are so cryptic.


It's not your goal to be honest? Oo I guess more and more people start seeing this too...


Than what are we talking about here?


Oh, right!



Isn't it the opposite though? Are you sure?


Why?


Oh no! I feel shocked!

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No, I'm 6.




In the first part you sentence is an allegation. In the end it becomes a question. Can you decide if I did such thing or if you are asking me if I did it? In any case, perhaps you can show a link to this act of lèse-majesté I did? Asking for a friend. (Oh, also, specify which admin I accused -- there are 2 of them.)


Obviously. Haven't you read this topic?


Of course "we" (whatever this "we" means) are itching for such inspections.

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Oh, wow! I'm a ninja!


All I'll reply here is this:



Now, you should decide -- am I trash or ninja? These terms are not actually compatible taken together...

I know Royse also experienced the same thing, maybe not from campaign managers but from the signature campaign applicants. (Like you already posted a thread for signature campaign but this people still PMing the incharge representative of the client about if they can join the signature campaign regardless what the campaign manager decision).
I want to post some proof but I don't want to have a discussion that may result me into trouble and yes I also consider this an unethical behavior. We need to respect each other.

I see you have added GazetaBitcoin and decodx to your list 

It seems icopress does not have any problem against you except for you contacting several clients associated with icopress trying to persuade them indirectly to ditch him and start a new working relationship with you. What you did is highly hypocritical.

As I mentioned a in prior post, ythe only reason you are posting is because you are getting paid. The reason you are getting paid is because you are enrolled on a signature campaign and that only campaign manager that would have you is Royse777. That speak volumes about his own judgement and it gets questioned.

100% this, this @GazetaBitcoin ninja is a low skill nobody that has risen in ranks here purely by licking the boots of the old DT members,

if @Icopress wants to run a professional business, he is much better off cutting any connection to pure evil ass kissers like Gazata, just look at his "Gangs of Bitcointalk" thread, he has a deep seated inferiority complex against the entire Turkish nation, that guy is missing a few nails too many in the head...


@Royse777 would do the forum a huge service if he exposes any unethical / illegal behavior those 2 are running, this would also teach @Icopress not to associate himself with pure evil scum.


I wish Royse777 continued success in cleaning this compromised forum from pure trash like GazetaBitcoin and some of his buddies with ulterior motives.

I can't prove does not mean the accusation is false. I gave him benefit of the doubt does not mean that the accusation was false too. You seem biased most importantly this is not the topic today. Can I ask again to be on topic? I already asked for it.

@GazetaBitcoin, "brag yourself" - don't you think you are master in it and you sound shameless when you do. Shall I remind "(the template, scripts - guess what I mean)"? Leave it, that's not my goal to be honest and you are not doing anything wrong by doing it, after all everyone wants to present their best.
You are a minion of Icopress.

Of course it's consistency. I did not think it was unethical so I did not mind Icopress, as a manager he can reach out to anyone.

Correct.

That someones are JollyGood, airfinex, Poker Player (used to be, not sure if he still is), decodx is new one added. Just look how hard they are trying to give a diversion to the topic. I will suggest everyone to avoid them. The recent behaviors from Icopress was surprising (he definitely did not like the pay rate I had for Sinbad, Mixero, Yo!Mix and recently Tumbler. He also did not like the thread against airfinex for unknown reason. You are in a business, face the competition and improve. The way you are reacting - *asking members to be loyal to you, pushing them for free reviews just because they are in the campaign, saying other campaigns are not competitive than one of yours* - is not the correct way). GazetaBitcoin is the minion.

* I am sorry, I hope it is now justifiable although I was always ignoring many of those.

I will avoid replying to JollyGood, airfinex, Poker Player, decodx and GazetaBitcoin . Let's work on solving the problems Icopress have against me.

Edit:
I had to edit the OP with the quote in the first line.

If you knew I would post here and you were expecting me, you could have at least make the effort to acknowledge my post. I think the correct form of action would be for you to offer an apology for accusing Poker Player and myself of contacting your clients (and/or prospective clients). Let us see if you can manage that.

As for not only contacting clients that are associated with icopress but to go on and try to defend yourself with justification for doing so, I think you are behaving in an extremely hypocritical manner because when you (allegedly) suffered that fate you created threads and tried to seek support even though you had zero proof as to who was behind it. In this situation, you are not even denying it was you.

So, you're saying that you can't prove it and that you realized it could be someone else, but you still don't think it's a false accusation? Even though Poker Player has publicly denied ever contacting anyone about you?

I mean, I know you resent him for publicly exposing you as a liar, but personally, I have no reason not to take his word over yours. You, on the other hand, I can never fully trust again.

When you complained about Poker Player, if you had said something like "this would have been ok if you were a campaign manager looking to poach my clients"... actually it would have made even less sense to me but at least you would sound somewhat more consistent above. Now it just sounds like you're making up excuses.

I understand that this that way to you, i.e. others messaging your clients - bad, you messaging other manager's clients - good. However:

1) For the person sending the messages, it looks reasonable to warn someone that they're doing business with an untrustworthy (in their opinion) user.
2) For the person receiving the messages, a warning about someone's untrustworthiness they can just ignore if they don't care, or perhaps they didn't know and it might be good to know. A message from a competing manager... they can ignore as well. No huge difference although I personally would be more annoyed by promotional messages, if at all.
3) For an outside observer, no big difference either way. Someone messaged someone about the business they're doing on the forum. As long as it doesn't break forum rules (which promo messages might be more likely to do but I'm not sure).

Edit: When I say "no big difference", I don't mean that this is acceptable or unacceptable in my opinion, I mean that if you consider one scenario unethical/unacceptable/etc, then the other one likely is unethical/unacceptable/etc too. Consistency.

I know icopress to be a very reasonable person, and I know you're a great manager but perhaps a tad too sensitive when someone says something about you... I mean look at the threads you tend to create on this board. If you did nothing wrong, you did nothing wrong. Threads like these won't help you prove that - likely the opposite, having to defend yourself on something like this makes it look more sketchy than it probably is.

While I see you still have no explanation for what "you tow" could possible mean; and while I see you stated nothing about the relevant part I quoted above -- respective your lack of respect for other campaign managers, especially for one of oldest ones; then sure, now let's go to the part you quoted. Because, of course, you don't have to say anything while others have always to respond in front of you, right?

Now let's see...


Uhm... what's the problem you point here? Since you are not stating which exactly the problem is, I'll only make an assumption: perhaps you believe it's decent to brag yourself in front of everybody, with all the money you have (and which are not yours, LOL!), just like Ratimov Symmetrick used to brag all the time? Such behavior remind me of those mimbos from various videoclips, wearing flamboyant clothes and thick gold jewelry, driving purple cars -- you know, those trying to look pimpin'.

If my assumption if wrong, please point what exactly disturbed you from my post.


Perhaps I have no idea, but I'm starting to make one.


Again, not sure what you meant here. Are you suggesting me to stay out of business? Of what business?


"If time is indicator"...? What are you saying? Seriously, have you previewed your post before submitting it? Those sentences make no sense.

I think you forgot to quote the other part?


Regarding Hhampuz, you have no idea about our relationships. So, don't involve in the business. It's better you practice respect if time is indicator of respecting each others.

Finally you are here. I knew it and expecting you already. Carry on.

Edit:
I expect Poker Player too. But whatever you guys do, I will appreciate to discuss on topic please.

You have a good memory, that is exactly what he had been complaining about 

Indeed, there were a bunch of names thrown around that allegedly contacted his existing or prospective clients. I cannot recall all the names that he (Royse777) himself threw around on and off but Poker Player and myself included in that list.

Quite clearly you are not a newbie even though you are using a newbie account. It seems you have created this account for nefarious purposes therefore I have added you to my ignore list.

That is definitely the case.

Now, while I have no idea what "you tow" could possibly mean, of course I came, since you have no respect for Hhampuz, which is like a grandfather for all campaign managers here, nor you respect other managers. Let's re-read the line where you trolled Hhampuz, instead of having the decency to show him some respect:

I strongly agree with you and I believe that Icopress and you should have a peaceful solution that would solve the issue instead of making it a personal attack on each other. The management team on our forum is doing very well and you both have played very important role as part of the management team. It's useless to attack each-other in public because that will allow those people to attack as well who just want to add oil into the fire. I respect both of you as managers of the forum and I believe that peaceful solution is the best path you both should choose. I hope that others would also like you guys to have a peaceful settlement instead of taking such matters to huge heights.

No, u.

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Sorry this is not my goal for this topic. My goal is to solve any problem that Icopress have against me so that we don't cross our path again like this and don't make each others a fool to many people who think we are doing a great job in the campaign management business including other managers. When managers are doing something like this in public then the reputation for entire campaign management looks bad.

Please tell me about it

Well yeah it took me a bit time to understand you and the side you decided. Already edited before seeing this post.

Can we not change the direction of the topic? I hope we can.

Stupid. No?

But, it's actually AnotherAnotherAnotherAlt! 

airfinex? yes.

Edit:
Just realized you were talking about the screenshots.
How could you say those were false accusations, you only can say it if you believe Poker Player and don't believe what I said.
For me I do not see any reason not to think it was him until I realized it could be someone else too and I can not prove it. Poker player can not prove it too that it was not him. So later I removed any feedback left for him to give him the benefit of the doubt.

So when you are telling I made false accusations, remember you are telling everyone to see it from your eyes.

That's so typical Royce! If the tables were turned, you'd probably find a whole new discussion about it in the Reputation section by now. Oh, wait... Now I have to move this post to his thread. Damn.



Yep! He not only complained, but even made false accusations.

I knew that Icopress was engaged in such shenanigans. I hate shenanigans

Now from this place in more detail, we are all very interested

I really hope it won't. I hope Icopress solves his problems with me in this thread if there is any. Because so far what presented here I strongly believe he has problems against me and in the recent time it exploded.

I didn't want to get into trouble and thought when I commented on the MixTurn.io thread that the fire would have been extinguished. But I would like to point out that I think Royse777 is right, that the discussion is more appropriate on this section, and not on the campaign threads.

What I'd like to expect from you two guys is that you don't get into a pointless escalation that ends up as escalations of that style usually do around here.

GazetaBitcoin came because of this post from him or I would only use "you" instead of "you tow"
That was about user airfinex, Poker Player. None of them were campaign managers. Nothing related to icopress or any other manager. Manager to manager things should not come open like this, Icopress could just PM me and ask for reasoning since he thought it was about him only. It was not necessary to post it in several places like one here, another here. Who knows he was considering to make more posts about it in all of the places where he was considering would be look him good and me bad. He knows the best.

I see no point to use an alternative account when I am offering my service to anyone.

edit:
Just a thought came just now, airfinex is an alt. Who it could be? He leaves no chance unused to defame me whenever he gets a chance. The last one is Royse777 will not pay anyone for the last week /Sinbad campaign/.

Uhm.... weren't you complaining at some point about someone messaging your clients behind your back?

This is much needed:
So instead of the other thread (where this post will be off topic), I have this topic to answer you.

Come down man, it sounds like only your clients received those offers. I was sending the same PMs to some projects (active and none active both, so which ones were managed by which manager or even if any of them already had a marketing on the forum, was not in the mind). If you have doubt then ask julerz12, one of his client also received the same message and we both had a chat earlier about some other topic.

Don't consider yourself the center of the business. You and GazetaBitcoin really needs a break. Don't force me to go bad and expose what you two do behind the scene (the template, scripts - guess what I mean). Have in mind that I am also a campaign manager and I have connections with a lot of projects which I managed and not managed (I also have very very close connections with many forum members too). Time to time they tell me things too which I never thought to post like you did in public because it will not look good on you two.

This was your last message and it clearly means you have problems with me. If you indeed have problems then let's talk and solve it here or let's stay away from each others. Don't write something that could trigger me to response you. I never did any so far unless other day I saw the following conversation between you and another user.