Royse777 will not pay anyone for the last week /Sinbad campaign/

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Quote from: Pmalek on February 18, 2024, 08:11:18 AM

It's usually bad news that travels fast, but this time it was good news that travelled fast. My guess is that Royce consulted a legal expert and needed some time to figure out whether and how he can move those coins. Even after all these months, it's only the escrow address from Sinbad that is still on the official OFAC sanctions list. Incredible work done by the government agencies with great attention to detail. Roll Eyes

Hahaha. This is dust in the eyes. Do you really believe in the phrases (our professional team) (I’ll consult with a lawyer)? He simply realized that he would not be able to use this money to its fullest without consequences, but he would return the money to the participants of the subscription campaign and no one would tell him anything for the 10 thousand dollars that he would keep for himself I'm closing the thread because the original public question is no longer relevant as users are about to get their money back, although how will they be able to verify the authenticity of the amounts received? But I will have more questions if he refuses to pay someone, saying that the seven-day period has passed when you should have been contacted.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on February 16, 2024, 09:59:55 AM

It's usually bad news that travels fast, but this time it was good news that travelled fast. My guess is that Royce consulted a legal expert and needed some time to figure out whether and how he can move those coins. Even after all these months, it's only the escrow address from Sinbad that is still on the official OFAC sanctions list. Incredible work done by the government agencies with great attention to detail. Roll Eyes

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The initial post about the funds being moved was interesting in itself as it opened some questions about intent and action. Now the follow up edit could maybe explain it.

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on February 16, 2024, 09:59:55 AM

Earlier today, most of the remaining funds from the escrow moved to a new address in this transaction https://mempool.space/tx/d4011dc9aa2c2a05cef3b1d66448b34ac2f17074c6432dba5811f9e985e3123a

CPFP was used to move the BTC into another address
https://mempool.space/tx/cdbdc0e03153fedf4e1973b014f580f27e5066fc46312fc2ee52bb14ced91f8a

This is probably related. If you’re on that list you might want to contact Royse soon.

https://t.me/R7BountyQA/31209

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Earlier today, most of the remaining funds from the escrow moved to a new address in this transaction https://mempool.space/tx/d4011dc9aa2c2a05cef3b1d66448b34ac2f17074c6432dba5811f9e985e3123a

CPFP was used to move the BTC into another address
https://mempool.space/tx/cdbdc0e03153fedf4e1973b014f580f27e5066fc46312fc2ee52bb14ced91f8a

This is probably related. If you’re on that list you might want to contact Royse soon.

https://t.me/R7BountyQA/31209

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Quote from: LoyceV on December 28, 2023, 03:50:45 PM

Lol. They are marked with serial numbers, and I just assume there's some level of tracking already.

That is obvious, but they used hidden ink before to catch criminals in some cases.
They used marked bills as evidence in court later.

Quote from: LoyceV on December 28, 2023, 03:50:45 PM

This was used many times in history in different countries with UV ink
You mean RFID and NFC? Nothing a Faraday wallet can't stop, until you spend them.

You carry this cage with you all the time with your money? Grin

Quote from: LoyceV on December 28, 2023, 03:50:45 PM

I've seen a site years ago that tracked how banknotes spread through different countries. But none of that matters, as long as your money is fungible.

For now maybe.
I dont think digital euro is fungible.

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Quote from: notblox1 on December 28, 2023, 03:31:32 PM

How do you know if cash euro bills you are using are not secretly marked by government for tracking money flow?

Lol. They are marked with serial numbers, and I just assume there's some level of tracking already.

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This was used many times in history in different countries with UV ink markings, but more likely they are using some different tech this days.

You mean RFID and NFC? Nothing a Faraday wallet can't stop, until you spend them.

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I even saw several websites and apps for tracking euro bills.

I've seen a site years ago that tracked how banknotes spread through different countries. But none of that matters, as long as your money is fungible.

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Quote from: LoyceV on December 28, 2023, 12:27:55 PM

It's a bit more complicated than that: when I receive cash euros, I don't have to worry about how they were previously used. But if you know the money comes from something illegal, you shouldn't get involved.

How do you know if cash euro bills you are using are not secretly marked by government for tracking money flow?
This was used many times in history in different countries with UV ink markings, but more likely they are using some different tech this days.
I even saw several websites and apps for tracking euro bills.

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Quote from: Bounty Bro on December 28, 2023, 11:59:52 AM

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on December 23, 2023, 01:30:13 PM

I think that we either treat each coin equally or this whole concept falls apart. Every coin is potentially originating from criminal activity.

For me, campaign payment coins are clearly tainted.

It's a bit more complicated than that: when I receive cash euros, I don't have to worry about how they were previously used. But if you know the money comes from something illegal, you shouldn't get involved.
Maybe it's a bit like "aiding and abetting": it's totally fine to help someone, unless you know he's involved in a crime.

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Quote from: Bounty Bro on December 28, 2023, 11:59:52 AM

We have different options:

Option 1:
Apply BlackHatCoiner statement and treat every coin equal; say no coin is tainted

Option 2:
Assume coins are tainted,
send it to a mixer,
mix it
get untainted funds again
distribute remaining last week /Sinbad campaign/?

and send all remaining funds to a Bitcointalk faucet where each Bitcointalk member can claim a little bit of it.

You don't fuck around with the big boys. They are not stupid as you think. I see the main problem is the address that is holding the payment has been marked already. When you move coins from a marked address you are likely risking the mixer too that will receive the coins.

It's easy to say there is no tainted coins, but the reality is different.

I fear some day they will start telling us, all coins are tainted. Fu*k this shit!

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Quote from: CryptoHeadlineNews on December 28, 2023, 11:48:34 AM

Quote from: Agbe on December 28, 2023, 08:41:59 AM

Quote from: Bounty Bro on December 17, 2023, 01:28:47 PM

Why Royse can't send all funds into a mixer,
mix it,
get untainted funds again
distribute remaining last week /Sinbad campaign/?

and send all remaining funds to a Bitcointalk faucet where each Bitcointalk member can get a little bit of it?

Yes that can also work. If he can send the funds to a mixer and mix the coins and send them to another Bitcoin address and use that address to pay the last week participants of Sinbad because they work for it though the campaign is no more.

But don't you think wouldn't that be implicatory? That is, I mean to use a coin/address that have already been marked stained by the U.S government, which was also the main reason for the seizure of Sinbad to be on another Mixer? Don't you think by so doing, you are likely drag that mixer to be marked as related to fraud by the U.S law enforcement agency, and seize just the same way Sinbad was seized?. Because to me, I think it will be best if this whole issue is left to die by forgetting this whole scenario, as it will be more wise if all it's campaign participants could let go of this fund, rather than accept a stained coin that will implicate them.

According to BlackHatCoiner, we need to treat each coin equally, no matter if a coin has been tainted or not.
His statement:

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on December 23, 2023, 01:30:13 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on December 23, 2023, 01:07:04 PM

What do you think the merchants that receive funds from you marked to be from a mixer and possibly even from criminal activity think?

I think that we either treat each coin equally or this whole concept falls apart. Every coin is potentially originating from criminal activity.

For me, campaign payment coins are clearly tainted. But a centralized mixer is designed to un-taint coins. It is, why centralized mixers have been created.

We have different options:

Option 1:
Apply BlackHatCoiner statement and treat every coin equal; say no coin is tainted

Option 2:
Assume coins are tainted,
send it to a mixer,
mix it
get untainted funds again
distribute remaining last week /Sinbad campaign/?

and send all remaining funds to a Bitcointalk faucet where each Bitcointalk member can claim a little bit of it.

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Quote from: Agbe on December 28, 2023, 08:41:59 AM

Quote from: Bounty Bro on December 17, 2023, 01:28:47 PM

Why Royse can't send all funds into a mixer,
mix it,
get untainted funds again
distribute remaining last week /Sinbad campaign/?

and send all remaining funds to a Bitcointalk faucet where each Bitcointalk member can get a little bit of it?

Yes that can also work. If he can send the funds to a mixer and mix the coins and send them to another Bitcoin address and use that address to pay the last week participants of Sinbad because they work for it though the campaign is no more.

But don't you think wouldn't that be implicatory? That is, I mean to use a coin/address that have already been marked stained by the U.S government, which was also the main reason for the seizure of Sinbad to be on another Mixer? Don't you think by so doing, you are likely drag that mixer to be marked as related to fraud by the U.S law enforcement agency, and seize just the same way Sinbad was seized?. Because to me, I think it will be best if this whole issue is left to die by forgetting this whole scenario, because it will be more wise for it's campaign participants to let go of this fund, rather than accept it, and end up implicating themselves with a stained wallet address, hence paying a huge sum if charged to court.

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Quote from: Bounty Bro on December 17, 2023, 01:28:47 PM

Why Royse can't send all funds into a mixer,
mix it,
get untainted funds again
distribute remaining last week /Sinbad campaign/?

and send all remaining funds to a Bitcointalk faucet where each Bitcointalk member can get a little bit of it?

Yes that can also work. If he can send the funds to a mixer and mix the coins and send them to another Bitcoin address and use that address to pay the last week participants of Sinbad because they work for it though the campaign is no more. But at least let them have some to hold body from the campaign. Though what Royse did was also for their safety because if he would have sent money to their accounts and if he send the funds to a mixer, that mixer too will enter problem so let it be like this.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on December 21, 2023, 12:00:55 PM

Quote from: Igebotz on December 17, 2023, 02:56:39 PM

Quote from: Synchronice on December 17, 2023, 02:39:51 PM

Sinbad's signature campaign was not a success. I can't call it a success because many bad things, i.e. mixers got banned after Sinbad's accident and it was also known long ago that Sinbad was a renewed Blender. Sinbad's main source of income probably was Lazarus group, during their existence as Blender and after being renamed as Sinbad.

The project was not fully successful, but the signature campaign project was in the sense that they ran it for a long time and paid in full every week. A substantial sum of money was also left in escrow. Prior to my participation, I was unaware of their connection to the Lazarus organisation.

@Synchronice and @Igebotz, I must say that I see this differently because these guys would have made huge money already.

And by virtue of what the definition of success is, S!nbad signature campaign is a huge success. They are the kind that could be compared to the old Chipm!xer, only that their success was faster in the very shortest time. According to the report, they started in October 2022 and got to that feat in less than a year. That is what I call a success, and thanks to the signature campaign here. Because no other advertisers would have helped the m!xer achieve that kind of feat so fast if not for the Bitcoin forum itself.

Sinbad was a rebranded Blender. Blender was already a very successful. Also, it was known from the start for everyone that Sinbad was a rebranded Blender, so, all the former Blender customers would automatically move on Sinbad, for example, their old customer, The Lazarus Group, laundered millions of dollars through Sinbad, like they did with Blender. At some point, I even think that Sinbad launched signature campaign for other purposes, to improve their reputation and hide the fact that they were rebranded Blender.
There was definitely Royse's positive influence on the brand but to my mind, the overall success of the brand has nothing to do with Royse, it was a very different scenario.

So, I exclude Sinbad from successful campaigns but to my mind Royse's successful campaigns are: YoMix, Mixero and Sherbet. That's just my speculation because I can't measure their success because only the business owners know it since this information isn't shared.

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Quote from: Igebotz on December 17, 2023, 02:56:39 PM

Quote from: Synchronice on December 17, 2023, 02:39:51 PM

Sinbad's signature campaign was not a success. I can't call it a success because many bad things, i.e. mixers got banned after Sinbad's accident and it was also known long ago that Sinbad was a renewed Blender. Sinbad's main source of income probably was Lazarus group, during their existence as Blender and after being renamed as Sinbad.

The project was not fully successful, but the signature campaign project was in the sense that they ran it for a long time and paid in full every week. A substantial sum of money was also left in escrow. Prior to my participation, I was unaware of their connection to the Lazarus organisation.

@Synchronice and @Igebotz, I must say that I see this differently because these guys would have made huge money already.

And by virtue of what the definition of success is, S!nbad signature campaign is a huge success. They are the kind that could be compared to the old Chipm!xer, only that their success was faster in the very shortest time. According to the report, they started in October 2022 and got to that feat in less than a year. That is what I call a success, and thanks to the signature campaign here. Because no other advertisers would have helped the m!xer achieve that kind of feat so fast if not for the Bitcoin forum itself.

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Theymos has made it clear to the public that nothing new can happen concerning all mixer campaign but my major concern is the way some members take this issue as if we have just one person to blame for the problem happening.
Is it that Royse is the cause of the problem we're seeing now concerning sinbad? Are we blaming Royse or what?
To me I feel we should just say things the way we see them, the man Royse has done the best he can on this issue, trying to keep all participants out of trouble, he should be given some credit.

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Quote from: theymos on December 01, 2023, 05:45:25 AM

To avoid disruption, there will be a grace period: Nothing will change until Jan 1, 2024.

Hear that scammers? Theymos will not hold anyone accountable before Jan 1. Undecided

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Quote from: icopress on December 18, 2023, 08:03:41 AM

Here is a solution that will keep Royce and the Sinbad campaigners safe.

- Royce will send me the amount needed to cover the debt to the Sinbad participants.
- I, in turn, will keep these coins and process the payment from my own funds (minus 5%).

I think the mods should now close this thread, since I believe the issue mentioned in the OP will be resolved soon.

The coins are stained and already marked as stolen, and I can tell you that there are 3-5 agents on the screen keeping an eye on those coins, and a single movement puts Royse in jeopardy for moving a tainted coin. Royse has stated openly that he will not have anything to do with such coins until his legal team approves.

Why do you want to be the Jesus Christ ( Messiah) ? Cheesy

Quote from: Pmalek on December 18, 2023, 12:35:41 PM

I came across this discussion by accident. I find it funny how a member who was not a participant of the campaign (at least not with that username) complaints that other members have not received their payments. At the same time, the actual participants, understanding what happened, are not asking for their coins for now. Publicly at least. One never knows what's going on in private messages. airfinex is the Dark Knight of Bitcointalk.

Those who did not participate in the signature campaign are more concerned with the money than those of us who did participate, understood the situation, and have moved on.

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Quote from: icopress on December 18, 2023, 08:03:41 AM

Here is a solution that will keep Royce and the Sinbad campaigners safe.

Okay, since the great manager Royse, which is a pro (and it's clear for everyone he's a pro since he declared himself a pro), was just given a solution for this issue, let's see how he'll dodge once more the possibility of paying back Sinbad participants and (pick-?)pocket the money. I remember he said almost a month ago that he'll contact a lawyer but lawyers are rara avis these days, so it's understandable if he won't find any lawyer until 2028 or so. Meanwhile he ca resume to activities where he's best at -- running best paying campaigns, starting some more topics in Reputation board, ~~chopping~~ beating some more trees, stuff like that.

Quote from: icopress on December 18, 2023, 08:03:41 AM

I think the mods should now close this thread, since I believe the issue mentioned in the OP will be resolved soon.

I highly doubt that the issue will be solved soon. Meanwhile, be careful:

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Quote from: icopress on December 18, 2023, 08:03:41 AM

Here is a solution that will keep Royce and the Sinbad campaigners safe.

- Royce will send me the amount needed to cover the debt to the Sinbad participants.
- I, in turn, will keep these coins and process the payment from my own funds (minus 5%).

I think the mods should now close this thread, since I believe the issue mentioned in the OP will be resolved soon.

Lol, why would you want to have stolen money - %5, which could be considered as fees, however next time you wanted to talk ethics, morality, honesty etc, come here and read this post, THAT MONEY is legally and ethically FORBIDDEN to touch/spend, whether by participants, or anyone else, it seems you don't have a problem with that though, typical. That money is PROVEN to be from hacked/stolen funds. If Royse touches them, there is no going back for him, unless LE give him the green light officially.

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I came across this discussion by accident. I find it funny how a member who was not a participant of the campaign (at least not with that username) complaints that other members have not received their payments. At the same time, the actual participants, understanding what happened, are not asking for their coins for now. Publicly at least. One never knows what's going on in private messages. airfinex is the Dark Knight of Bitcointalk.

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