Topic: Restrict newbies from posting in the lending board? - page 3. (Read 1084 times)

Instead of completely restricting newbies from posting in the lending sub board, their posts containing loan request should be deleted instead that is users can report newbies requesting loans to the board mod and the mod deletes that posts

The restriction might come if the user keep making such posts. My reason is so that if a newbie has any valid contribution to make in the lending sub board their rank shouldn't be a hinderance.

maybe he sees you as one of the guardians of this forum. Look at what you're contributing, it's even bigger than what a mod can do. It's just that they're taking you in a different way from what you're giving, or it's not, only he knows why
LOL   I really thought so, I don't appreciate this jokes  
but the story is he's still spamming even without any merit, he spams many sections, this can't be changed 

Damn, that's the worst type of thing to have to deal with.  I hope he's feeling better soon.


Believe me when I say that freedom is very important to me as well, which is why I love this forum so much.  In general, I don't want to restrict newbies either, but there are other rules and restrictions that are largely in place to improve the quality of the forum, which is the intent of my suggestion.


That's kind of a non-issue, really.  If they go about spamming the forum with low value posts, they aren't likely to rank up anyway.  Case in point is user 16xypjnxlrew.  After months of harassing lenders and spamming the lending board, he come to the conclusion that only people who've earned merit will qualify for a non-collateral loan.  So, he ventured out into other areas of the forum with the intent of "contributing," but to this day hasn't earned a single merit.  This is what the merit system is meant to prevent, and it's been working so far.


This is the current status quo, and it's not great.  Like LoyceV mentioned, it's essentially spamming the trust system with a bunch of red-tagged newbie accounts that are likely to be abandoned, a new one created, and the process just starts all over again.

Full support for this suggestion.

Some people on the board ( I think some here know which users I mean ) go and invade other peoples threads trying to spread their agenda like "why can he get a loan and I can't" , "I get treated so unfair", "I have (totally useless) collateral" .

These subjects also write PMs here and even contact via telegram (actually 2 people called me at 3am in the morning with ever having talked to them in private before) . They basically harass other users.

Something should be done against these people and I certainly hope that would be possible in any way!

I've been mentioned several times in this thread, but I had other things to deal with so here's my late reply.

It's not big, but it's also another step on a slippery slope. Every time I see someone argue for more restrictions, I appreciate theymos' hands-off approach more.

Lol. I like the post because it's part of what made me change my mind on adding more restrictions. I'd love to get rid of all the spammers and scammers, but I wouldn't like to join a forum where I'd have to jump through many hoops myself.

Allow me to quote theymos again (I bet you didn't see this one coming):
I've come to realize some people can't be saved, and may need to learn the hard way. People are still falling for the "money doubling scam", online and IRL. People need to apply common sense before sending some stranger their money.

I agree that's not the best motivation to join, but is it really worse than joining to complain about a captcha or not understanding the basics of transaction fees? My point being: no matter why someone joins, they may stick around.

What do you want me to do if someone gets scammed by/with Paypal? I can tell you I don't like it, but I'm realistic enough to know I can't prevent it either. Literally the first sticky thread on the Currency exchange board starts with "Beware of PayPal". What can I do?

So, follow-up question: why am I in that list? I have zero control over scammers.

This trolling might actually give other Newbies the wrong impression. If they think a Newbie got a loan, more of them will try the same thing.

I care! Too many users have inaccurate negative feedback already, and it basically reduces the value of the warning. Excluding a user who hasn't left any feedback doesn't change anything. I agree on point 3) though: ignore them!

This is not a permanent solution. They don't care about those newbie accounts with no forum history. Creating another account and continuing their actions like bounty participants is easy. They Don't have to pay evil fees until they get banned, and their IP gets some evil points. Since asking for a loan in the lending section doesn't violate forum rules, they don't have any chance of getting banned. I noticed some newbies got negative feedback because they requested a loan. I cannot remember who tagged them. Oh, I just found it was Timelord2067 who tagged some newbies for asking for no collateral loans.

For Instance, It looks like this is not the correct use of the feedback system. But I understand his frustration. I don't visit the lending board. So, I am unaware of how many cases you guys have seen. You might be frustrated if you are regular there and see such newbies ask for no collateral loans every day.

Ask yourself what would satoshi do, he did create this forum and bitcoin free for everyone to use and not only for a few people.

Its very frustrating when newbies go and ask for a loan I agree, but its not fair that they get negative feedback one second after and left out in the cold.
I know its topic thats around that explains and give tips how to behave but to be fair how many read them.
a warning if you do that and if you continue then negative feedback is the way to go.

We all are under satoshi on this forum and this forum is for everyone no mater what rank people have.
I think it was a reason that bitcoin was and is a free thing that everyone can get.

And also.. i start to think more and more this is people creating alts for just trolling with people on the forum, they already know they wont get a loan they just want people to waste their time with their angry answers, if they where get totally ignored and nobody would care problem would be gone maybe atleast i have stop to reply to them now

Probably would just be easier to

1) Leave them some negative feedback and encourage others to do the same.
2) Start a flag and encourage others to support it.
3) Add them to your ignore list
4) ~ in your trust list.

And then move on. Is it 100% proper use of flags and feedback. Perhaps not, but who cares. They are here to troll / scam and after a while the person(s) who have been actively cluttering up the lending board will move on. If not, they are just wasting time but at least not cluttering up the board elsewhere.

-Dave

Oops! If this happens, it calls for a serious attention and maybe moderators step up to delete such posts as soon as possible before the post will have a prey.
SEE it from the other side, if newbies are totally restricted from the lending board, how about (usually another unsuspecting newbie) who is a lender with good intentions, he will be affected also.
Well, a serious newbie lender should be able to afford copper membership.

I have seen this scenario alot of time where high rank members try to pull a fun on a particular thread and when the newbies reply steadily, it will gradually turn a troll threads.

If newbies asking for non collateral loan is called begging, could also an established member asking for non collateral loan be called begging? Maybe No!
Not begging per say but there are some tones used by some of this suspecting newbies which tries to play with emotion of the lenders. I quietly chuckle when I see such posts.

It has been done like this, those newbies got tagged and warned, but sometime some users playing fun or joking about that. There's no standard and rules for any users to reply, so it's better for the moderators to lock the thread instead.

I'd say when a newbie asking a loan without collateral, it's similar like begging in a different way. As we know begging isn't allowed in this forum and the moderators will immediately delete those topic.

Did you mean this thread I would like to get 0.005 BTC? you need to recheck the link he posted  

oh, that's not it, I see, I remember shasan loaned a newbie some money 2 days ago, if i remember correctly, sometimes they still put their trust in the newbie, not all 
sure, what's easier than when you take money from a stranger and walk away, they don't even know who you are. And when your account gets a red flag, you throw it away, open another account, repeat the process, wait for someone else with great faith.

I really respect the people who are lending, they have a really great faith 

Newbies concoct all kinds of sob stories and invariably someone (usualy another unsuspecting newbie) will "lend" them funds only to have the borrower not return.

A newbie who lends just enough often enough could then progress to member ...etc and become Legendary then carpet pull / exit scam with the Jackpot such as walking away with privkeys, or worse still the bag of the Forum itself having gained trust wholly through taking out loans.

Along the way hardcore scammers just ask for loans and walk away with the lender's funds.  We've seen it happen all to often - check out the scam accusation threads if you don't believe me.

It's kinda I arrived late but I still have to contribute to the ongoing topic in the following format;

• At first, you understood theymos mission of making the forum as free as possible.  This is nice. I have seen similar suggestions about newbies but theymos didn't act and all is well since the DT power is not in the hnads of the said newbies
• I don't think that there is any lender in the lending board who is willing to lend to any newbie without a collateral
• So, to avoid spam, such newbies should be ignored outrightly or be warned and if they persist, they'll be tagged and everyone moves on

Maybe I'm playing the odd role as I differ from the OP

I'll support the motion... Since they aren't gonna be given a consideration on any loan request (except they've got a good collateral to offer), YEAH?that's just unnecessary when they're found creating multiple threads in there - most times, they have an idea who's qualified for any loan, but they just feel if they could throw shits at the wall, maybe it'll stick.
Other times, it's difficult to know how effective the lending board is, since you'll only find some comparable nuisance in a cordon. How about if they're true newbies that are willing to be honest and follow the rules in there? With 'em ascertained collaterals too?? Isn't that gonna look like lending in here is limited and controlled by the forum which, I'm sure, that ain't supposed to be so??
Edit: what's this raucous of Loyce not being a staff and so on?

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

he's not saying that LoyceV is a staff, he's just listing them, mentioning them in a list  right? Somehow, I think he's right. Maybe the scammers are too many, they can't control everything, or maybe they're just too tired of it. I don't judge, just a passing thought, anyway, everything is fine, there are always other people protecting the victim.

Literally speaking, I didn't mean that the matter is quite a difficult one per say, but rather that the times are difficult to putting trust on people so easily as we don't even know who to trust nowadays and that preventive measures should be taken in all situations irrespective of what others may think. For the decision to restrict newbies from engaging in the lending board should be viewed as a necessary preventive measure.

LoyceV is not a staff member.

When it comes to spamming and meaningless replies, I believe the lending board is a confidential place in the forum to help forum users in need; there is no reason for the thread to be spammed because it is not a discussion thread like the Bitcoin Discussion you mentioned.


The lending board has its guidelines and rules, which have some clear restrictions, especially for newbies and junior members in the forum, but the newbies failed to read the rules and went straight to start spamming the thread, even though some newbies with collateral may be granted the loans, which is why the OP decided to create this thread to prevent them from spamming the thread.

If we keep in mind that Moderators work well when you report a post, then it's not necessary to restrict newbies from posting in the lending or in other boards. Lending board isn't that spammed after all compared to Bitcoin Discussion and some other boards where people open meaningless threads and bunch of people post meaningless replies. And I think the more offer lenders get, the more beneficial for them. There is a chance that newbie comes to them with collateral loan request. So, statistically, even if one out of 100 newbie requests loan and offers collateral, it will be beneficial for lenders than zero offer from newbies.

As do I.

The world not to mention scamming has changed a lot just in the last five years - given this thread is predominantly in favour of the restriction being implemented, then it should be responded to by whomever has the final say.

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PayPal is another area where scammers are preying on unsuspecting forum members yet neither the Admin/mods, LoyceV nor theymos seem interested in intervention to protect such forum members who have been scammed by their continued silence on the matter.

Too hard? Not really.  Just restrict access to newbies and Jr Members from those sections.