Review of Panda Miner coming up. - page 13.

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Quote from: citronick on January 05, 2017, 01:16:42 AM

Quote from: ps_jb on January 05, 2017, 12:33:21 AM

Quote from: citronick on January 04, 2017, 11:11:07 PM

DHL just delivered the Pandaminer this morning.

My first comment.....

Huh.... its smaller than I thought it would be.

8 x 480s in this small footprint!

its like the length of 2 shoe boxes.

Today is going to be a busy day.

Phil... I may need help if I brick this OS. Cheesy

Exciting! Two reviews will be super

1. ran latest Claymore Cryptonite GPU miner v9.7 (Total hash 5850 H/s).... crashed after 10 minutes. Watchdog triggered, reporting 2 x GPU had openCL errors... restarted miner... and gets stuck. I can still close the DOS window and move on.

2. ran sgminer-gm v5.5.4 (Avg total hash 6360 H/s) .... running solid over an hour now... BUT... there is no temperature readings (unlike Eliovp's sgminer-gm on Linux). Incidentally, I didnt see temparature details in Claymore XMR v9.7 too! Is there a temp bug in current Crimson drivers?

3. have not ran Claymore ZEC and ETH miners yet - Phil have done these test already.

Will report more later....

sgminer-gm on Windows doesn't display temps and I don't think temps and fan controls are working with Panda's GPU rom mod and choice of Crimson drivers at least for XMR mining. For Claymore ETH and ZEC mining - refer to Phil's review. Also... 1 dead CPU after 10 hours ;-(

Running Claymore XMR v9.7.... shortly after taking this pix.....5mins later stuck and opencl hang....

CONCLUSION:

With this many GPUs and trying to get it to work in Windows using W10 Enterprise with a modded rom by Panda.... looks like several shortfalls namely temperature bugs and to some extent stability ... at least for XMR mining with Claymore. Other miners like Wolf or sgminer maybe different results. Eth and ZEC mining seems stable with Claymore -- see Phil's review.

In summary, Pandaminers ideally needs to be on Linux. Follow the other threads by Philip and Eliovp on this matter.

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Quote from: jstefanop on January 05, 2017, 02:32:26 PM

can one of you guys take a screenshot of gpu-z of the GPU (the gpu info panel)...or if your running linux on it type lspci -vvv and pastebin the output.

I thought I did in this thread.

it does no show all info like a regular gpuz

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Quote from: QuintLeo on January 05, 2017, 06:13:13 PM

Quote from: m1n1ngP4d4w4n on January 04, 2017, 07:37:18 PM

yeah this brand is often used in appliance and servers, they're very reliable fans made to last

You forgot miners.

Most if not all Antminers use Delta fan(s) (S5 S7 and S9 in all varients, not 100% sure on the older stuff).
Innosilicon seems to love them too - one of the "solid" factors on the A2.
Seen pics of them on other miners.

Spoondoolies seemed to prefer YS Tech - good fans in some cases, but the sleeve-bearing bottom-end stuff is junk.

Oh yes, when i was saying appliances i was of course counting also ASIC miners and such (but also, switchs, firewalls, and so on), you are 100% right, they're very good indeed Cool

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Quote from: m1n1ngP4d4w4n on January 04, 2017, 07:37:18 PM

yeah this brand is often used in appliance and servers, they're very reliable fans made to last

You forgot miners.

Most if not all Antminers use Delta fan(s) (S5 S7 and S9 in all varients, not 100% sure on the older stuff).
Innosilicon seems to love them too - one of the "solid" factors on the A2.
Seen pics of them on other miners.

Spoondoolies seemed to prefer YS Tech - good fans in some cases, but the sleeve-bearing bottom-end stuff is junk.

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can one of you guys take a screenshot of gpu-z of the GPU (the gpu info panel)...or if your running linux on it type lspci -vvv and pastebin the output.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on January 05, 2017, 12:53:50 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on January 05, 2017, 12:51:58 PM

I opened a thread up to try to figure funding for Evliop's linux build for the PandaMiner

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/interest-thread-for-eliovp-linux-build-for-pandaminer-1740719

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Quote from: citronick on January 05, 2017, 02:17:50 AM

Quote from: citronick on January 04, 2017, 08:44:30 PM

I have recently tested a CUDA ZEC miner ... EWBF clocking more than 500 sols/s on a GTX1070

I wonder if the Pandaminer PCI slot is also same format for a Mobile 1070 or 1080?

for those who PMed, let me clarify.

The NVIDIA card I tested is on my only non-AMD test rig; MSI-980Ti, giving me about 350 sols using EWBF CUDA miner.

Let me clarify that I did not test on 1080s or 1070s -- see link below who those who have tested them.

Nvidia 1080 and 1070 apparently are very suitable for ZEC mining algorithm and can achieve very high sols compared to AMD, suggesting ETH and XMR algorithm are very suited for AMD cards.

See https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17399333

Or see https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17404175 Shocked

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Quote from: citronick on January 04, 2017, 08:44:30 PM

I have recently tested a CUDA ZEC miner ... EWBF clocking more than 500 sols/s on a GTX1070

I wonder if the Pandaminer PCI slot is also same format for a Mobile 1070 or 1080?

for those who PMed, let me clarify.

The NVIDIA card I tested is on my only non-AMD test rig; MSI-980Ti, giving me about 350 sols using EWBF CUDA miner.

Let me clarify that I did not test on 1080s or 1070s -- see link below who those who have tested them.

Nvidia 1080 and 1070 apparently are very suitable for ZEC mining algorithm and can achieve very high sols compared to AMD, suggesting ETH and XMR algorithm are very suited for AMD cards.

See https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17399333

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Quote from: ps_jb on January 05, 2017, 12:33:21 AM

Quote from: citronick on January 04, 2017, 11:11:07 PM

DHL just delivered the Pandaminer this morning.

My first comment.....

Huh.... its smaller than I thought it would be.

8 x 480s in this small footprint!

its like the length of 2 shoe boxes.

Today is going to be a busy day.

Phil... I may need help if I brick this OS. Cheesy

Exciting! Two reviews will be super

1. ran latest Claymore Cryptonite GPU miner v9.7 (Total hash 5850 H/s).... crashed after 10 minutes. Watchdog triggered, reporting 2 x GPU had openCL errors... restarted miner... and gets stuck. I can still close the DOS window and move on.

2. ran sgminer-gm v5.5.4 (Avg total hash 6360 H/s) .... running solid over an hour now... BUT... there is no temperature readings (unlike Eliovp's sgminer-gm on Linux). Incidentally, I didnt see temparature details in Claymore XMR v9.7 too! Is there a temp bug in current Crimson drivers?

3. have not ran Claymore ZEC and ETH miners yet - Phil have done these test already.

Will report more later....

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Quote from: citronick on January 04, 2017, 11:11:07 PM

DHL just delivered the Pandaminer this morning.

My first comment.....

Huh.... its smaller than I thought it would be.

8 x 480s in this small footprint!

its like the length of 2 shoe boxes.

Today is going to be a busy day.

Phil... I may need help if I brick this OS. Cheesy

Exciting! Two reviews will be super

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Quote from: citronick on January 04, 2017, 11:11:07 PM

DHL just delivered the Pandaminer this morning.

My first comment.....

Huh.... its smaller than I thought it would be.

8 x 480s in this small footprint!

its like the length of 2 shoe boxes.

Today is going to be a busy day.

Phil... I may need help if I brick this OS. Cheesy

I told you it is really small.

I am asking for that linux build. I need a better os

the windows 10 os is brutal. I still have a mix of Chinese French? English.

but maybe 85% english.

As for the gear.

I can source :

fans
ram
gpus I think
mobile gpu = really hard but maybe

only the motherboard would be impossible to source.

citronick

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DHL just delivered the Pandaminer this morning.

My first comment.....

Huh.... its smaller than I thought it would be.

8 x 480s in this small footprint!

its like the length of 2 shoe boxes.

Today is going to be a busy day.

Phil... I may need help if I brick this OS. Cheesy

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Quote from: TheRider on January 04, 2017, 09:59:50 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on January 04, 2017, 07:13:13 AM

Quote from: TheRider on January 04, 2017, 03:04:41 AM

Quote from: jadefalke on January 04, 2017, 01:48:58 AM

Quote from: yun9999 on January 04, 2017, 01:42:36 AM

@Phil - Is this Panda completely just powered by PCI only? This would be fantastic news, as I can power a ton of this without needing ATX Power supplies. The IBM 4KW Server PSU bundle seems like a winner's choice for this. .

yes the Panda need only PCI-E 6 Pin nothing else.

How many PCI-E sockets in total please?

seven

Interesting. So 8 GPUs, 9 10W fans, and the mobo/CPU/SSD/RAM are powered from 7 6PIN PCI-E ports. Wonder how the power is distributed internally...

I would love to get a bare board with a better CPU. Like an i5 5200u

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Quote from: philipma1957 on January 04, 2017, 07:13:13 AM

Quote from: TheRider on January 04, 2017, 03:04:41 AM

Quote from: jadefalke on January 04, 2017, 01:48:58 AM

Quote from: yun9999 on January 04, 2017, 01:42:36 AM

@Phil - Is this Panda completely just powered by PCI only? This would be fantastic news, as I can power a ton of this without needing ATX Power supplies. The IBM 4KW Server PSU bundle seems like a winner's choice for this. .

yes the Panda need only PCI-E 6 Pin nothing else.

How many PCI-E sockets in total please?

seven

Interesting. So 8 GPUs, 9 10W fans, and the mobo/CPU/SSD/RAM are powered from 7 6PIN PCI-E ports. Wonder how the power is distributed internally...

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Quote from: ps_jb on January 04, 2017, 09:07:34 PM

Quote from: citronick on January 04, 2017, 08:44:30 PM

I have recently tested a CUDA ZEC miner ... EWBF clocking more than 500 sols/s on a GTX1070

I wonder if the Pandaminer PCI slot is also same format for a Mobile 1070 or 1080?

I read somewhere that NVidia mobile GPU is wider

That info is missing here

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2869/geforce-gtx-1070-mobile

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Quote from: citronick on January 04, 2017, 08:44:30 PM

I have recently tested a CUDA ZEC miner ... EWBF clocking more than 500 sols/s on a GTX1070

I wonder if the Pandaminer PCI slot is also same format for a Mobile 1070 or 1080?

I read somewhere that NVidia mobile GPU is wider

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I have recently tested a CUDA ZEC miner ... EWBF clocking more than 500 sols/s on a GTX1070

I wonder if the Pandaminer PCI slot is also same format for a Mobile 1070 or 1080?

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yeah this brand is often used in appliance and servers, they're very reliable fans made to last

overall they seems to have picked good components.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on January 03, 2017, 11:26:20 PM

Here is a photo

http://www.delta.com.tw/product/cp/dcfans/download/pdf/FFB/FFB80x80x38mm.pdf

Two steps down from their top-flow in that model line - I've got a couple of the EHE models (the 6600 RPM vs the 5700 RPM models in your Pandaminer) they start to get into the mild screamer range more due to the pitch but not real badly so.
The GHE models ARE screamers - those things are LOUD and very high pitched.

Deltas also tend to last a LONG LONG time - dual ball bearing designs for the most part (not sure on their blower models) and VERY conservative MTBF ratings.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on January 04, 2017, 01:09:36 PM

not sure they can do that make a 18-19 inch rack mountable unit due to with or length of mobo.

the wire shelf systems with 24 inch wide 14 inch deep 72 inch tall look perfect.

agreed, they would need to change the exterior width dimension of the case by ~21mm from 503.5mm to 482.6mm to get it to fit, and judging from the pictures the mobo is already a tight fit.

yep, looks that way.

It would be an interesting engineering exercise to see how many GPUs they could fit in a standard 2U full depth (87.3mm high x 445.5mm wide x 730.2 mm deep) enclosure. This would fit in a standard datacenter rack (dimensions taken from an HP DL380G9 without a bezel).

at least 10 possibly 12, using the WX series stuff and a standard EATX server motherboarda - I'm sure there's a MB out there somewhere (probably SuperMicro) that will fit into a standard 2U with 10+ PCI-E slots.

Might have to use the WX 4100 though, as it's the only low-profile card in that line.

You'd run into the driver limits on how many cards you can run first, unless you do one of the mods that allow for more than 7 (like they already did).

On a custom MB like the Pandaminer uses, they'd probably be able to do a fairly easy redesign, go with more depth and less width and change the connections to front or back.

Not sure if they could squeeze the vertical down the half inch needed to get to 3.5" (2u) height though without some serious airflow compromise. How much free space is above and below the heatsinks in the existing case?

They COULD go deeper and then go one card high 2 deep, but that would definitely impact cooling on the rear cards.

92mm fans WILL NOT FIT in a 2u case - there's only a total of 89mm (appx) to work with NOT counting the thickness of the care top and bottom.

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