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June 21, 2017, 03:17:26 AM
Ripple has nothing special to offer like the majority of the coins from the same generation and most of coins from the current generation.  There is nothing wrong with Ripple, but there is nothing that will make it surge above the rest more than a few times here and there, based on new traffic created because the OP announcement got a new bit of life.

Then again most tokens don't have any special code to them, it's just the perception of what value it holds, and they still get pumped.
hero member
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June 21, 2017, 03:10:18 AM
Ripple has nothing special to offer like the majority of the coins from the same generation and most of coins from the current generation.  There is nothing wrong with Ripple, but there is nothing that will make it surge above the rest more than a few times here and there, based on new traffic created because the OP announcement got a new bit of life.
legendary
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FUD Philanthropist™
June 20, 2017, 06:09:10 AM
I really hope that this coin disappears, it has a really bad influence on the cryptocurrecy field. It has actually nothing to do with crypto by being centralized and manipulated in price.

Agreed and i have asked a number of times if Ripple coins can be removed.
Since they can be added on Demand by the Ripple Inc company then uhh see a problem ?
legendary
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June 20, 2017, 03:29:08 AM
It doesn't sound like Ripple is in 'major trouble' it sounds like the reason for the massive price increase may have been overblown.
Honestly at the moment, the market doesn't much care. If there is good news, the price goes up, if there is bad news it stays high, until the next good news, when it pumps again!

There is a lot of money flying into the alts bubble, so prices are rising. Ripple isn't in trouble, maybe it should fall from it's all time highs, but it might not too!
hero member
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June 20, 2017, 03:17:12 AM
I really hope that this coin disappears, it has a really bad influence on the cryptocurrecy field. It has actually nothing to do with crypto by being centralized and manipulated in price.

No, maybe you need to read more on there website www.ripple.nl.
sr. member
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June 20, 2017, 03:10:17 AM
I really hope that this coin disappears, it has a really bad influence on the cryptocurrecy field. It has actually nothing to do with crypto by being centralized and manipulated in price.
legendary
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Democracy is vulnerable to a 51% attack.
June 18, 2017, 06:06:33 PM
I mean, if the consensus can't validate a transaction and they asume it as false, can they just destroy those tokens?
No. There are only two ways to destroy XRP. It can be used to pay transaction fees or it can be sent to an address that is provably unable to transfer it out. Both of those cases require a transaction to execute and apply in a ledger. If a transaction is rejected by the consensus process, it doesn't do anything at all, not even ever appearing in a ledger or authorizing any changes to ledger state. If a transaction is accepted into a ledger by the consensus process, deterministic rules control what the consequences of that transaction are.
legendary
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June 18, 2017, 12:44:08 PM
No idea, but it measures a property that is not part of the currency/blockchain design. As I said, a similar graph could be made with "Bitcoins deposited at Bitstamp and Kraken". The number might increase or decrease, but it doesn't influence how many total Bitcoins are out there.
This graph shows "XRP not held by Ripple Inc.", not "Total XRP in existence". It also contains a spelling error in the heading, so I'm not so sure if I would trust it a lot if the (german speaking) author is not able to correctly type a word or use copy-paste...
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I dont mind the pain
June 18, 2017, 07:56:10 AM
So those change in number of coins aren't related to the consensus rule?
No, since this is an external measure.
Something similar would be "BTC that are not held by Bitstamp". This number is likely to change over time, but doesn't have anything to do with the total number of BTC or consensus rules that have to be respected by miners (e.g. <=50/25/12.5 ... BTC per coinbase transaction).

Coinmarketcap.com just chose to only display the portion of any currency that is not held by the creators/custodians of that currency, see https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/views/market-cap-by-total-supply/ for the actually existing numbers of tokens for each currency listed there. This number is the one that is enforced by consensus rules and which can only go down.

So the graph is not accurate?
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I dont mind the pain
June 18, 2017, 07:49:47 AM
So those change in number of coins aren't related to the consensus rule?
I'm not sure what you're referring to. What change in the number of coins?


I mean, if the consensus can't validate a transaction and they asume it as false, can they just destroy those tokens?
I'm refering to the graphic posted up:



Can someone explain how it is possible the available supply decreases from time to time? WTF
(Now 17 June 2017 at 38,290,271,363 XRP    )


legendary
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June 18, 2017, 03:19:57 AM
So those change in number of coins aren't related to the consensus rule?
No, since this is an external measure.
Something similar would be "BTC that are not held by Bitstamp". This number is likely to change over time, but doesn't have anything to do with the total number of BTC or consensus rules that have to be respected by miners (e.g. <=50/25/12.5 ... BTC per coinbase transaction).

Coinmarketcap.com just chose to only display the portion of any currency that is not held by the creators/custodians of that currency, see https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/views/market-cap-by-total-supply/ for the actually existing numbers of tokens for each currency listed there. This number is the one that is enforced by consensus rules and which can only go down.
legendary
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FUD Philanthropist™
June 17, 2017, 10:59:09 PM
So those change in number of coins aren't related to the consensus rule?
I'm not sure what you're referring to. What change in the number of coins?

You know what he meant.. but as usual you are playing games.
legendary
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Democracy is vulnerable to a 51% attack.
June 17, 2017, 08:58:26 PM
So those change in number of coins aren't related to the consensus rule?
I'm not sure what you're referring to. What change in the number of coins?
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I dont mind the pain
June 17, 2017, 07:34:17 PM
Ripple's design does not require history for the system to make forward progress. Storing historical data is always optional.

In the very early days of Ripple, there were only three servers running. All were validators and all were on Amazon's EC2 platform. They were essentially identically configured.

Early versions of rippled did not check disk free space and would continue running even if the disk got full. In addition, they didn't save the ledger header into the node store. All three validators ran out of disk space at substantially the same time.

I took snapshots of the databases of all three validators and attempted to recover the missing ledgers. As I recall, I was able to recover several thousand ledgers and got stuck at 32,570.

All of this occurred before the network was open to the public, before XRP was traded, and before XRP had any value at all.

After the network was opened to the public, several volunteers offered to assist with the recovery process and we made the snapshots from all three servers public. No additional ledgers were recovered.


So those change in number of coins aren't related to the consensus rule?

By the way, i just read this post in reddit, beautiful: https://www.xrpchat.com/topic/6362-the-reason-why-xrp-will-be-adopted/
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LONG BITCOIN, SHORT BANKS, DUMP FIAT FOR BITCOIN
June 17, 2017, 02:14:29 PM
This is why open sourcing all your code when you have unique technology is a bad idea. Someone will just take the code and implement their own solution. Better off treating your code as intellectual property.  All these open source coins are inherently worthless from the perspective of all their "unique features" because big corporations will just rip off their ideas.


Yeah deciding on open sourcing your code on your coins is really a risk because any good developer or company may easily counter or delete and defeat you in the market using your own formula so everything must kept secret at all

Ripple was not launched fully open source guys.
They added open source code later over criticisms over crypto idealogy.
Which is now long gone.

And if you think about it.. since Ripple is a centralized company it makes no sense to open source their code.
They did though for one reason !
To appeal to the crowd here so they would buy the Ripple coins.

Don't forget they were shit & pissed on at launch and for years afterwards.
It's only now that they gained traction in the scene.. because the idiots here now are all scammy greedy inept dipshit losers.
A bunch of open mouthed drooling nitwit Investards.
And THEY FUCKING LOVE IT !

Ripple is happy as a pig in shit.. because of the market price of their coin and the free coins all the fancy CEO / CTFO and advisers got on ICO Premined shitcoin launch.

I'd actually rank this bullshit as much worse than LEO COIN.
At least LEO was a mined and far less premined coin etc.
Ripple is scam central and i would never own any of their shitcoins.. no matter how many exchanger ROI'z i get.

So what the FK do you own?. You go to every FKNG thread saying that this coin is a scam, that coin is a scam, the fkng coin is a scam....so what do you think is not a scam?? what the FK do you like??...and if you dont like any coin...what the FK are you doing here??
legendary
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Democracy is vulnerable to a 51% attack.
June 17, 2017, 10:59:16 AM
Ripple's design does not require history for the system to make forward progress. Storing historical data is always optional.

In the very early days of Ripple, there were only three servers running. All were validators and all were on Amazon's EC2 platform. They were essentially identically configured.

Early versions of rippled did not check disk free space and would continue running even if the disk got full. In addition, they didn't save the ledger header into the node store. All three validators ran out of disk space at substantially the same time.

I took snapshots of the databases of all three validators and attempted to recover the missing ledgers. As I recall, I was able to recover several thousand ledgers and got stuck at 32,570.

All of this occurred before the network was open to the public, before XRP was traded, and before XRP had any value at all.

After the network was opened to the public, several volunteers offered to assist with the recovery process and we made the snapshots from all three servers public. No additional ledgers were recovered.
sr. member
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June 17, 2017, 01:39:24 AM
Can someone explain how it is possible the available supply decreases from time to time? WTF
(Now 17 June 2017 at 38,290,271,363 XRP    )




How can you "loose" the beginning of a Blockchain and Number 32570 becomes the Genesis?

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June 06, 2017, 03:50:57 PM
They got 80 billion XRP and they didn't pay ANY money for it. There was no price paid for those tokens whatsoever.
Thank you for confirming that you asked a question you already knew the answer to just to make me needlessly jump through a hoop rather than asking an honest question or making an honest argument.


This isn't about "jumping through hoops" - you're posturing unnecessarily...im asking you direct questions purely to get a direct response

The XRP wasn't paid for, that's the bottom line..you didn't want to answer that directly because you know it would expose a hole in your reasoning

XRP not being paid for means that XRP isn't operating under free market forces - which is what decentralisation is all about

The facts are: since the 80bn XRP wasn't paid for, you're not operating under free market forces at all. You are manipulating the market in order to artificially inflate the liquidity of XRP

That doesnt sound like decentralisation at all. Decentralisation is free market forces, no manipulation, everything being paid for and not allowing any party to gain artificial bias.

You are creating a central system in your actions, no matter how much talk of decentralisation you want to talk about. Actions count more than words.

A much more authentic way of reasoning would be to say you have both central and decentral elements built into the XRP concept...and that there was an attempt to have a balance, and in the end, the free market will win and decide the ultimate outcome.




Jesus christ kadscuk, why are you being so aggressive? Calm the f*** down. I love when team members of these different crypto companies post on here. Don't push them away with your douchebaggery.
sr. member
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June 06, 2017, 03:12:34 PM
The facts are: since the 80bn XRP wasn't paid for, you're not operating under free market forces at all. You are manipulating the market in order to artificially inflate the liquidity of XRP

you realize you've described every single business on this planet, right? all businesses offer a service/commodity which YOU decide to pay for... joel has been insanely nice and forthcoming with information, not to mention being generous with his time to engage with the crypto community. show some respect.
legendary
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Democracy is vulnerable to a 51% attack.
June 06, 2017, 01:23:18 PM
The facts are: since the 80bn XRP wasn't paid for, you're not operating under free market forces at all. You are manipulating the market in order to artificially inflate the liquidity of XRP
I agree that we are using the value of the XRP to create liquidity.

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That doesnt sound like decentralisation at all. Decentralisation is free market forces, no manipulation, everything being paid for and not allowing any party to gain artificial bias.
No party gained any artificial bias. The 80 billion XRP that was gifted to Ripple had *zero* value. Anyone else could have done exactly what Ripple did and gotten the same result.

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You are creating a central system in your actions, no matter how much talk of decentralisation you want to talk about. Actions count more than words.
I agree that in no way is the distribution of XRP decentralized.

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A much more authentic way of reasoning would be to say you have both central and decentral elements built into the XRP concept...and that there was an attempt to have a balance, and in the end, the free market will win and decide the ultimate outcome.
I think that's an entirely fair statement. When I talk about decentralization, I am only talking about the operation and governance of the network, not the distribution of the token. If you're talking about the distribution of the token, that's entirely different. I see many reasons why you would want operation and governance to be decentralized. To be honest, I see absolutely no reason you would want distribution to be decentralized anymore. Experience since 2012 has shown that just doesn't work very well. But the market will eventually decide.

At the time I first stared working on what became the current Ripple, I saw no reason to want an alternative to PoW. I genuinely believed that it would be inherently fair and decentralizing and would foster good governance (if any was needed) by aligning interests. We now know that is not entirely true, though of course PoW continues to work quite well. But it does not ensure decentralization by itself nor does it necessarily foster good governance. Those things still take work, and to some extent you are fighting the technology.

The biggest problem with PoW though is simply that it cannot be scaled. There is not going to be one blockchain to rule them all because too many people, for legitimate reasons, want too many different things from their blockchains. Some people don't want any complexity that has a performance cost -- they just want fast token movement. Some people have use cases that require more complexity (like cross-currency payments). And PoW won't scale because each such system has to find some way to incentivize the PoW needed to keep its chain secure. There is no known way for smaller systems to do that. Distributed agreement protocol do not have this limitation, though they cannot do an initial token distribution to people who waste power.
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