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legendary
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FUD Philanthropist™
June 02, 2017, 12:16:37 AM
@Joel

You mean my specific case in the giveaway was debunked.
That does not constitute "thoroughly" in my books buddy  Cheesy

You have some shill-tards show up to chant "lies"
then claim i myself posted the wrong address but that does not clear all the others that complained.
Nor does it refute the last post i made and keep harping on that you repeatedly keep ignoring.

AKA: Playing games as usual.

You focus on one weak little thread you *think* you have then ignore the rest and tug and spin.
It will not get you anywhere.

So..

How much was it you got paid again ?
Oh and i am trying to let the other guy tear your ass up.. it's more fun for me LOL
I'll step aside for him  Grin
legendary
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June 01, 2017, 11:22:36 PM
So.. why did it necessitate premining the coins ?
The concept of "premining" is not applicable to coins that aren't mined. And, in any event, it's quite clear now that PoW isn't the magic equalizer and decentralizer that we all hoped it would be back in 2008-2012. There is no sense in which it is morally superior to give coins needlessly to those who waste the most electricity over those who built the system.

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How is it that Ripple inc is going to beat any and all other solutions possible for banks ?
What is the big advantage to Ripple and the premined coins ?
We've explained our strategy. Why would you ask us to explain it again exactly?

The big advantage to a coin where the creators keep the vast majority of it is that they can use the value of the token to incentivize the provision of liquidity. Nobody has that kind of ability with things like bitcoins because nobody holds enough of the value.

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Joel how many XRP coins did the company give you ?
A long time ago, when XRP was essentially worthless, the company gave me one million XRP. Also, I participated in the first XRP giveaway on bitcointalk (at that time, there was no rule prohibiting employees from participating) and got 50,000 XRP. All other XRP that I hold, I purchased on the open market.

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How much are they paying you ?
It says in your SIG you are an employee. (not a volunteer)
So i can't imagine you would come here to admit there is problems with XRP and still expect to keep getting Ripple inc pay checks.
They are paying me a market rate, comparable to the offers I've gotten at other places. I don't think I need to disclose my salary to you.

I am happy to admit real problems with XRP. I have no need to lie or be deceptive. I'm happy to engage arguments head on and honestly disclose our weak points. If Ripple doesn't want to pay me to be honest, I'll find a job elsewhere. My integrity isn't for sale.

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Oh and i wonder if you get more than Ripple spent on paid votes at Cryptsy to get added.
I watched as XRP sat on the TOP of the voting list all a long since it was created.
And i recall early on Cryptsy-staff didn't like Ripple (no one did) because of it's scammy premine and hand out's to friends with fancy corporate titles etc.

So.. it sat on the voting list for a year or something while Ripple inc poured sickening amounts of BTC on the Exchange to get XRP added.
They had more votes then all the other dev's buying votes in the entire 100+ coin list combined.
I don't know what you're talking about, honestly. I have no knowledge of Ripple using XRP to induce Cryptsy to support XRP and doubt that they would have because that's just wasn't a priority for us back then. But if so, I'm not sure what you think would be wrong with it.

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..yet they had a 418 page coin topic giveaway where no one was getting their coins.
The record is public. The last time someone (maybe it was you, I don't remember) said this, it was thoroughly debunked. I've gotten several emails and private messages from people who participated in that first giveaway describing things they were able to do for their families with the money.
legendary
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FUD Philanthropist™
June 01, 2017, 10:46:53 PM
I got 35.000 XRP on time about 1 day after posting. Unlike you I was eligible though. You are free to look at their giveaway addresses (rJR7gjNe3DpJ7kpB4CHBxjDKfwVMpTKPpj is one of them) and see if you can find the addresses where XRP were sent to in the giveaway topic if you need further actual proof.

I never gave my email address to Ripple Inc. and stored my private key outside of their system too, as it was advised in their client. You were incompetent enough to actually post your private key(!) in there and were ignoring the terms under which you'd receive XRP (your account was too "young"), then complaining to this day about not receiving any.

Anyways, I agree that it probably was/is a publicity stunt and I still am not a big fan of XRP as a currency - however people around here far too often seem to confuse XRP, RCL, RippleConnect, ILP and Ripple Inc. as well as the actual idea of "Ripple" as a monetary system by Ryan Fugger with each other, unfortunately often only reducing it to the bare minimum (XRP) which is the easiest part to understand and critizise.

Ripple has had lots of drama and they always come out trying to spin it all.
Such as FiNCEN fining them.
How many other coins in history went through that again ?
When did that happen,why would FINCEN fine ripple and if that is true it will hurt them bad and could reflect it in the market,since i recently started trading with ripple after some major news i saw in their slack that some of the banking system will be using their technology and that news just started the rally in them and so in entered,so what is this all about,is it true that the banks will be using their system or just plain lies.
May 2015:
https://www.fincen.gov/news/news-releases/fincen-fines-ripple-labs-inc-first-civil-enforcement-action-against-virtual

I doubt that it will reflect in any market, since their shares are not publicly traded and they since have pivoted away from customers towards getting banks to use their ILP connector software. You maybe started trading XRP, I don't think you started trading with Ripple. Banks are using Ripple Connect, it is speculation at best if they will currently or in the future also settle partially using XRP via ILP enabled market makers or directly.

I think you are full of shit.
Show us the post maybe..
Back then the only option was to sign up on the web site and login that is how i KNOW you are lying.
There was no other option back in mid-2013.

And google search FiNCEN + Ripple ..you will find lots of info on it.
The shills though and Joel etc simply spinned it all so they weren't in trouble with the public..
FiNCEN shit on them and they dropped to their knees sucking cock hard.
They had to make radical changes which has what now to do with how it works today ?
What was their ORIGINAL PLAN ?

Spin that crooked frauds.  Cheesy

Funny how Ripple assholes claim this is the idea yet they had to change the "idea" after FiNCEN went after them.
Another contradiction that shows their are waffling bullshiting con artists.

Hey wanna "invest" with crooked douche bags in crypto then have at 'er guys.
Any scammy ass bullshit becomes legit if you hang around long enough and cry "FUD" or "Troll"

Reality.. Ripple the premined centralized bank bullshit is a fraud.
Their track record is dog shit and their shills are paid losers.
There was a topic i seen in 2013 that had a guy asking..
Who are all the people listed in the corporate about page and why did they all get so many free Ripple coins ?

Want to talk Ripple history ?
Don't motivate me to get on the Wayback-Machine cocky smug little fucking Ripple pricks.

PS:
When they stopped the giveaway they should have said something and locked the topic.
Not a year after the fact luring in more people to get involved for a few cents worth of coins.
That *IS* deceptive.
Which is a decetful stunt.
And who ran the giveaway ? Look yourself at the account name..
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ripple-giveaway-145506
Posted by "Ripple Labs"

And there were other giveaway topics (see via Google) posted too but that one was 417 pages.
full member
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June 01, 2017, 10:45:56 PM
I think the main gripe people have with ripple is that ripple has kept a lot of the coins for itself and is using a BIASED system...its not operating under free market principles.

If all the XRP were freely available through an ICO at the start or something, then that would shift people's opinion on it

Ripple is using a BIASED system...it doesnt matter if the XRP concept actually works or not

Crypto investors know its a biased system that helps incumbents in the financial industry

And as we all know, the financial industry is corrupt and rotten to its core.

So, there is literally no wonder that so many people are vehemently against ripple

Crypto investors looking for a quick buck are investing in ripple not knowing they are sheep walking into the lions den and supporting the corrupt bankers who have:

- overinflated house prices globally with a huge ponzi scheme that is totally unsustainable

- lost trillions in dollars in the 2008 crash and crashed the global financial system already, having to be bailed out with government funds to the tune of hundreds of billions

- charging interest and making profit on money that isn't even theirs to begin with! Banks were designed to be trusts, not profit makers. By attempting to make profit from other peoples money, they ended up collapsing the whole system! The banks arent actually trading..they have created a ponzi scheme where they have to keep lending in order to generate more funds

- having closed door investment systems. Bankers invest in IPOs and give private equity to startups...they deny the average person access to real investment opportunities to make money. With crypto ICOs, anybody can invest in a startup and make a fortune

Yes people investing in xrp can make a quick buck (and ive made a lot of money from ripple too..I wont deny that)...

This nonsense though that by evolving banks through digital payments, we make finance better is like saying if I use a sharper knife to murder someone, it causes them less pain

The bankers are rotten...everybody knows that...corporations in their nature generally can be rotten..look at pharmaceutical companies for instance...hiding cures for diseases just to make a quick buck. Look at companies like walmart and tesco - selling 90% junk food, full knowing the crap they sell will cause a lifetime of heart disease, obesity, cancer and strokes

Banks are the most rotten of the rotten...the people who have sold themselves to the devil and are masquerading as saviours of the world. Most people are brainwashed to just follow what big brother and the larger system says.

The point of crypto is for the people to re-gain the power...so that bankers cant play their ponzi scheme any longer.

Anyway, this is saying nothing about the concept of XRP which may indeed be valid. But in terms of criminality, living life as the devil and being the most crooked most corrupt of organisations, nothing can pretty much beat the banks.

newbie
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June 01, 2017, 10:32:11 PM
I think ripple have a bad time coping up since the price of BTC is becoming higher and higher. Let's just give ripple some time in going up again. Let's make ripple Great Again  Smiley Smiley Grin
sr. member
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June 01, 2017, 08:46:55 PM
Hey guys? Bitcoin,   Litecoin and Namecoin are the real democracy of cryptocurrency.

you consider 3 mining pools controlling 51+% of btc a democracy? 😂
member
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June 01, 2017, 05:55:22 PM
Ripple is a ghost banks union. This assets buy from merchants for increase the market cap…Hey guys? Bitcoin,   Litecoin and Namecoin are the real democracy of cryptocurrency. Why this scam web projects are important for world? Stop this fake market: Ripple, Ethereum, Ethereum Classic and NEM are the illusion for stupid investors!
legendary
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June 01, 2017, 05:40:24 PM
Ripple has had lots of drama and they always come out trying to spin it all.
Such as FiNCEN fining them.
How many other coins in history went through that again ?
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the banks will be using their system or just plain lies.

Some Banks have said they will use Ripple. In exchange for the good deed they received a few million XRP for free. By contractual agreement they are not allowed to sell them for some time.
No Bank will ever buy or use any XRP other than sell the gifted one's.
Marketcap is wrong.  Coins are listed as "available" but not freely traded (yet).
The amount of truly free traded coins is small.

The FINCEN fine was years ago.

Good information but the gifted xrp to the banks can easily dump the price of ripple and as we know the price of ripple in the past 7 days is very unstable and the exchange rate in bitcoin has been dropped to more than 50% but it's getting increased now which I really hope good things will come very soon and we see also other coins rising and see the graphs all in green.
sr. member
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June 01, 2017, 05:28:04 PM
Ripple has had lots of drama and they always come out trying to spin it all.
Such as FiNCEN fining them.
How many other coins in history went through that again ?
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the banks will be using their system or just plain lies.

Some Banks have said they will use Ripple. In exchange for the good deed they received a few million XRP for free. By contractual agreement they are not allowed to sell them for some time.
No Bank will ever buy or use any XRP other than sell the gifted one's.
Marketcap is wrong.  Coins are listed as "available" but not freely traded (yet).
The amount of truly free traded coins is small.

The FINCEN fine was years ago.
hero member
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June 01, 2017, 05:11:00 PM

http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Japan-s-SBI-megabanks-take-stakes-in-blockchain-group-R3?n_cid=NARAN012

http://www.c[Suspicious link removed]m/2017/05/23/r3-funding-blockchain-intel-bank-of-america-hsbc.html



So Ripple signed Japan SBI which was a group of about 47 banks and created SBI Ripple Asia which caused pump from .20c to .40c but news just came out today that Japan SBI joined R3 and are creating their own coin. R3 has loads of banks on board and is like a Universal Bank Consortium, majority will be owned by the banks in it unlike Ripple. They will use it to implement blockchain solutions to save them money. I saw this coming a mile away. All these banks are investing in their own ILP Ripple type network so they don't have to depend on a third party. Why depend on a third party when you can have your own and save even more? Whales are trying to maintain XRP value as some hold a lot but they can only keep buying so long because noone else is buying.

Below are some competitors in the blockchain banking scene with more coming:


R3
Quorum
Ripple
Axoni
InfoSys


Good bye Swift and Ripple, hello R3 lol get out before the house burns down I've been saying this for awhile now. There is no more good news left for Ripple. They were a shame at Consensus and now their own group just ditched them. Greedy centralized trash.




I dont think it will be major threat for xrp.
legendary
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June 01, 2017, 05:10:11 PM
I got 35.000 XRP on time about 1 day after posting. Unlike you I was eligible though. You are free to look at their giveaway addresses (rJR7gjNe3DpJ7kpB4CHBxjDKfwVMpTKPpj is one of them) and see if you can find the addresses where XRP were sent to in the giveaway topic if you need further actual proof.

I never gave my email address to Ripple Inc. and stored my private key outside of their system too, as it was advised in their client. You were incompetent enough to actually post your private key(!) in there and were ignoring the terms under which you'd receive XRP (your account was too "young"), then complaining to this day about not receiving any.

Anyways, I agree that it probably was/is a publicity stunt and I still am not a big fan of XRP as a currency - however people around here far too often seem to confuse XRP, RCL, RippleConnect, ILP and Ripple Inc. as well as the actual idea of "Ripple" as a monetary system by Ryan Fugger with each other, unfortunately often only reducing it to the bare minimum (XRP) which is the easiest part to understand and critizise.

Ripple has had lots of drama and they always come out trying to spin it all.
Such as FiNCEN fining them.
How many other coins in history went through that again ?
When did that happen,why would FINCEN fine ripple and if that is true it will hurt them bad and could reflect it in the market,since i recently started trading with ripple after some major news i saw in their slack that some of the banking system will be using their technology and that news just started the rally in them and so in entered,so what is this all about,is it true that the banks will be using their system or just plain lies.
May 2015:
https://www.fincen.gov/news/news-releases/fincen-fines-ripple-labs-inc-first-civil-enforcement-action-against-virtual

I doubt that it will reflect in any market, since their shares are not publicly traded and they since have pivoted away from customers towards getting banks to use their ILP connector software. You maybe started trading XRP, I don't think you started trading with Ripple. Banks are using Ripple Connect, it is speculation at best if they will currently or in the future also settle partially using XRP via ILP enabled market makers or directly.
sr. member
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June 01, 2017, 05:03:54 PM
Ripple has had lots of drama and they always come out trying to spin it all.
Such as FiNCEN fining them.
How many other coins in history went through that again ?
When did that happen,why would FINCEN fine ripple and if that is true it will hurt them bad and could reflect it in the market,since i recently started trading with ripple after some major news i saw in their slack that some of the banking system will be using their technology and that news just started the rally in them and so in entered,so what is this all about,is it true that the banks will be using their system or just plain lies.
legendary
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FUD Philanthropist™
June 01, 2017, 04:36:52 PM
..yet they had a 418 page coin topic giveaway where no one was getting their coins.

This is a plain lie and easy to disprove. Look up addresses in that topic, if the forum accounts fulfilled the criterias outlined in the beginning, they got a few thousand XRP. You also tried to get some, but didn't fulfill the criteria and have cried foul ever since.

Home in in the entire giant rant i posted cut all of it away then focus like a laser beam on *SOME* users got paid ......late.

TA DA !

Ripple vindicated.  Cheesy

Uhhhmm no. Roll Eyes

..sorry fraud's and your fraud puppets the great giveaway was not a success.
It was the start of grand Ripple debacles.
SHIT LOADS of complaints are logged.. so there is no "lies".

Ripple has had lots of drama and they always come out trying to spin it all.
Such as FiNCEN fining them.
How many other coins in history went through that again ?

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I also forgot the amount but i don't think it way very many coins at all.
I recall 10 coins but that may be totally wrong though.

Joel also previously pointed out how i posted the wrong address in here.
Not sure how i did but the post i created i guess can't lie (my old post in the giveaway topic)
Not *ALL* of us posted the wrong address though.

My point was they were more than happy to leave the topic open knowing damn well people would still keep trying long after they silently (with out telling anyone) ended the giveaway.

Each person that did that went to Ripple.com and signed up using an email and then created an address.
So duh.. you think they wanted to stop that ?
Of course they let the public think the giveaway was still running long after they stopped PAYING out !

It was in fact a publicity stunt.
Not an act of altruism by a company.

PS:
I don't want the coins either so don't bother offering people.
I refuse to ever posses any Ripple coins.
Never had any and never will !
legendary
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June 01, 2017, 04:25:56 PM
I remember the giveaway. At one point they were giving out 1m coins to anyone who had a forum account. Imagine having that amount of coins now.
No, they were not. It used to be a few thousand coins, not 1 million.
newbie
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June 01, 2017, 04:11:07 PM
I remember the giveaway. At one point they were giving out 1m coins to anyone who had a forum account. Imagine having that amount of coins now.
legendary
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June 01, 2017, 04:05:07 PM
..yet they had a 418 page coin topic giveaway where no one was getting their coins.

This is a plain lie and easy to disprove. Look up addresses in that topic, if the forum accounts fulfilled the criterias outlined in the beginning, they got a few thousand XRP. You also tried to get some, but didn't fulfill the criteria and have cried foul ever since.
legendary
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FUD Philanthropist™
June 01, 2017, 03:03:45 PM
So.. why did it necessitate premining the coins ?

How is it that Ripple inc is going to beat any and all other solutions possible for banks ?
What is the big advantage to Ripple and the premined coins ?

I recall "big news" with Ethereum way back.. supposedly IBM was "using" Ethereum.
They would not shut the fuck up about it on Poloniex troll-boxs so i asked some questions.
Immediately i was rampaged on and insulted with mod's jumping in having a jab at me.
Eventually banned for "FUD" of course.

So..

I asked.
I said to the lead spamming shill-tard, so are the coins connected to the coins on Poloniex ?
He said no.
He said it was an internal network experiment they were running privately.
So i said.. oh really then ?
Well then.. what good is it spamming that news on the troll box in a deceptive manner then ?
Mods then jumped on me hard and random guys started insulting me.
Scammy deceitful lies posted to lure in idiots sanctioned by Polo staff.

Then *again.. i told the staffers at Polo they were simply grooming their victims.
And never get in the middle of a predator and the victims he is grooming.  Cheesy
They don't like that one bit !

Fast forward a little while and i noticed they simply stopped all chatter about IBM.
So i asked and said uhhh.. WTF ? why did you guys stop mentioning it ? What happened ?
I was told by the same shill-tard's whom i suspected where hired by the Ethereum team to spam..
That IBM had discontinued their private experiment and had chosen to create their own system.

Now boys & girls do you understand why i just brought that up in relation to this topic ?

Oh and if you don't believe me the data should have all been logged in Polonibox.com.

Anyway.. i am curious.
Joel how many XRP coins did the company give you ?
How much are they paying you ?
It says in your SIG you are an employee. (not a volunteer)
So i can't imagine you would come here to admit there is problems with XRP and still expect to keep getting Ripple inc pay checks.

Oh and i wonder if you get more than Ripple spent on paid votes at Cryptsy to get added.
I watched as XRP sat on the TOP of the voting list all a long since it was created.
And i recall early on Cryptsy-staff didn't like Ripple (no one did) because of it's scammy premine and hand out's to friends with fancy corporate titles etc.

So.. it sat on the voting list for a year or something while Ripple inc poured sickening amounts of BTC on the Exchange to get XRP added.
They had more votes then all the other dev's buying votes in the entire 100+ coin list combined.

..yet they had a 418 page coin topic giveaway where no one was getting their coins.
legendary
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June 01, 2017, 01:56:56 PM
Ripple is, as Ripple themselves happily state, a solution for banks to exchange things with each other.
To be clear, that is the use case that Ripple, the company, is currently pursuing.

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Problem is, in the 21st century, seven billion humans are now starting to realise that we can exchange value (in other words, socially-agreed-to consensus, much like a US Dollar exemplifies) and trade with each other directly, peer to peer, without needing a bank or government in the middle.
Exactly! And to get to that great future, we need a phenomenal bridge between where the money is now and where the money will be in the future.

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Ripple hoping to fuel the continued health of the historic banking model into the 21st century is like a grower of hay hoping to fuel the horse industry after Henry Ford starts selling the Model T Ford.
Right. The horse industry could have pivoted to survive in an automobile-based world. You can sort of argue that they did. Similarly, music companies could have reigned in a digital music world, they just didn't. It's certainly possibly that banks will die as the economy changes with new technology. But the smart ones will try to hold on as long as they can by improving services and cutting costs. It's certainly way too early to say that there's no business model around modernizing banks. They're handling trillions of dollars worth of payments today and right now that's still increasing. We can certainly pivot again in the future.

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Email killed stamps and envelopes and the postal authority.  Blockchain crypto currencies will kill banks.
Ripple's destiny is pinned to banks.
Today, yes, because we think that's the best use case to target today. After all, banks have lots of money and handle trillions of dollars worth of payments.

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Does Ripple have an assured future?
Twenty, forty, fifty years from now, humans will send cryptocoins to each other over a blockchain as our way of keeping track of whom deserves what.
Why do I need a bank for that?
And Ripple will have nothing to do with banks in that future. You don't turn the wheel of your car because there's a curve 30 miles ahead. We're quite agile, we've pivoted before, we're aimed at where the money is now, and in twenty years, we can pivot again. Of course we don't have an assured future. But we'll do our best to keep aiming at the best targets.

There are really a few pieces here:

1) There's ILP. We hope that will provide the bridge between different ledgers that record value. Those ledgers can be traditional banking ledgers, they can be decentralized public ledgers, ILP doesn't care. This is what avoids us all having to transact on the same system.

2) There's XRP and its ledger. This is a system that permits pseudonymous transaction in a native asset. It doesn't have bitcoin's liquidity or value yet, but it does have support for higher transaction volume, faster confirmation, and better security. We've worked to make XRP integrate with ILP extremely well through native support for escrow and payment channels.

3) There's Ripple's business improving bank's payment systems. We're getting our software into the transaction flow of banks. This software supports moving the underlying value using ILP.

Given those three pieces, our strategy is to work to get some of those bank payments bridged through XRP. If we succeed, but banks become less relevant, then the endpoints will just change from bank ledgers to non-bank ledgers.

We're in the very early days. During the early days of the Internet, much of the work was done by the government. And much of what attracted people to the Internet in the beginning was its connectivity to existing media companies. The important thing is what you're building and what properties it has. Yes, in the early days, the key users will be the same as the key users of the previous technology. But if the new system is inherently accessible to all and fundamentally based on open standards, the world can change for the better.
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June 01, 2017, 12:13:54 PM
Many of the "available" coins are looked by contractual agreement (given free to Banks and partners)
sr. member
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June 01, 2017, 11:28:15 AM
Its market capitalizatio is to be altered... supply is unknown, how much of it hold by who is unknown...

does not even worth 1 billion dollars.
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